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 Posted: Sun, 29th Jul 2018 20:13 Post subject: The Lord of the Rings-The Rings of Power (TV Series, Amazon) |
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| Quote: | In its quest to launch a hit fantasy series of the Game of Thrones caliber, Amazon has closed a massive deal — said to be close to $250 million — to acquire global TV rights to The Lord of the Rings, based on the fantasy novels by J.R.R. Tolkien. The streaming service has given a multi-season commitment to a LOTR series in the pact, which also includes a potential spinoff series.
The LOTR original series, a prequel to Tolkien’s The Fellowship of the Ring, will be produced by Amazon Studios in cooperation with the Tolkien Estate and Trust; HarperCollins; and New Line Cinema, a division of Warner Bros. Entertainment, which produced the hugely successful LOTR movie franchise.
No details about the deal were disclosed, but it believed to be dwarfing any TV series pact to date with a whopping price tag attached. |
https://deadline.com/2017/11/amazon-the-lord-of-the-rings-tv-series-multi-season-commitment-1202207065/
| Quote: | After an extensive search, feature writers JD Payne and Patrick McKay have been tapped by Amazon Studios to develop and write the company’s high-profile The Lord of the Rings series, an adaptation of J.R.R. Tolkien’s classic, which was brought to life by Peter Jackson in his blockbuster movie franchise..
Payne and McKay are rising feature writers who recently worked on Star Trek 4 for producer J.J. Abrams. I hear Abrams was one of a number of high-profile filmmakers and producers who recommended the duo for the LOTR job.
Conversation continue with Jackson about a potential involvement and about possibly filming the series on his sets in New Zealand. |
https://deadline.com/2018/07/the-lord-of-the-rings-jd-payne-patrick-mckay-develop-amazon-series-1202435720/
http://www.tvmaze.com/shows/33352/the-lord-of-the-rings
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tonizito
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| Posted: Sun, 29th Jul 2018 21:56 Post subject: |
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On the one hand... why? What stories are there left to tell?
On the other they want their own GoT and the GoT durrs will probably be all over this...
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| Posted: Sun, 29th Jul 2018 21:57 Post subject: |
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Do the same with Star Wars and I'll never leave my house ever again!!!! 
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| Posted: Sun, 29th Jul 2018 22:28 Post subject: |
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| tonizito wrote: | | On the one hand... why? What stories are there left to tell? |
There are many little things in the books that never made it to the movies. Also there's loads of the mythology from Silmarillion that I for one would like to be told.
For example most casual viewers think that Sauron is the boss baddie and Morgoth (Melkor) is never explained in the movies. Neither is the rest of the Valar or the Maiar.
Also the creation of the species would be a great story. There's plenty material to "freestyle" over is what I'm saying.
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| Posted: Mon, 30th Jul 2018 00:35 Post subject: |
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| thudo wrote: | | Do the same with Star Wars and I'll never leave my house ever again!!!! |
John favreau is looking at you
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| Posted: Mon, 30th Jul 2018 01:43 Post subject: |
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| flappy wrote: | | tonizito wrote: | | On the one hand... why? What stories are there left to tell? |
There are many little things in the books that never made it to the movies. Also there's loads of the mythology from Silmarillion that I for one would like to be told.
For example most casual viewers think that Sauron is the boss baddie and Morgoth (Melkor) is never explained in the movies. Neither is the rest of the Valar or the Maiar.
Also the creation of the species would be a great story. There's plenty material to "freestyle" over is what I'm saying. |
The Morgoth stuff in the first age make the whole Sauron chapter in the third age seem like a trifle.
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| Posted: Mon, 30th Jul 2018 14:45 Post subject: |
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I think they can come with up whatever they want and it will be more or less valid. Some elves here, some kingdom there, whatever.
TWIN PEAKS is "something of a miracle."
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| Posted: Mon, 30th Jul 2018 14:52 Post subject: |
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As if any of the Hobbit films were any good.
TWIN PEAKS is "something of a miracle."
"...like nothing else on television."
"a phenomenon."
"A tangled tale of sex, violence, power, junk food..."
"Like Nothing On Earth"
~ WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO SAY CAN ONLY BE SEEN ~
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHTUOgYNRzY
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| Posted: Mon, 30th Jul 2018 15:00 Post subject: |
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enjoyed all of Hobbit movies, especially the first, seen them several times.. while not as good as the LOTR movies they're 10x better than almost any other fantasy movies out there.
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| Posted: Mon, 30th Jul 2018 21:03 Post subject: |
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| Il_Padrino wrote: | As if there's anyone waiting to have 3 episodes devoted to Tom Bombadil. 
Also, the series is the Lord of the Rings, not Silmarillion. I think these books have different rights (same with The Hobbit), so I'm not sure Amazon has them. I believe there was a similar discussion, back when the 3rd Hobbit film was being made. |
Tom Bombadil is a major (ok maybe not, but important at least) character who should definitely be introduced in the series as he's one of the oldest, perhaps the oldest creature in Arda.
Actually the series will precede LOTR, which means it will connect The Hobbit and Fellowship. That also means it's maybe likely to draw on material, at least partial, from Silmarillion.
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Yeah... I'd love to see all that, if it's done well. Such fascinating stuff going on there.
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Will be set in the Second Age:
https://twitter.com/LOTRonPrime/status/1103656946509344768
I wonder what events they will follow. I doubt we will see the last alliance and the battle of Godorlad for budget reasoins, so maybe the rise of Sauron after the fall Morgoth. Maybe chronicle the fall of Elves.
Just hope it doesn't turn into some nonsense Gurr of Durrns type of story. Tolkien's writing is so different and idealistic, I hope they are able to capture that.
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| Posted: Sat, 9th Mar 2019 09:52 Post subject: |
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The map includes Numenor.
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It seems most shows these days are padded with gore and sex. So much easier and cheaper to excrement that instead of a proper world building or storytelling. Cautiously optimistic here.
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| Frant wrote: | | The resulting TV series could be anything really. Perhaps we'll see a glimpse of when Saruman and the blue wizards traveled east (or when Saruman returned). |
The wizards arrived to ME in the third age.
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| Posted: Sat, 9th Mar 2019 11:09 Post subject: |
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Hmm, it depends on if you stick with the early writings or accept Tolkiens later writings.
In the Third Age the three wizards (Saruman, Gandalf and Radagast) was sent to Middle Earth ~1000TA. The blue Wizards (Pallando and Alatar) was sent much earlier according to later writings of Tolkien.
Early writings:
| Quote: | | Little was known about these two in the West of Middle-earth; even their individual names were unknown, but they were known collectively as Ithryn Luin, the Blue Wizards. It is said they travelled into the East with Curunír (Saruman) but they did not return into the West. Their fate was unknown, but some held that they fell into evil and became servants of Sauron. |
Later writings:
| Quote: | Towards the end of his life Tolkien returned to the issue of the Blue Wizards. In a brief outline he noted that the Blue Wizards were sent to Middle-earth in the Second Age and were destined to disrupt the work of Sauron in the East:
"Their task was to circumvent Sauron: to bring help to the few tribes of Men that had rebelled from Melkor-worship, to stir up rebellion ... and after his first fall to search out his hiding (in which they failed) and to cause [?dissension and disarray] among the dark East ... They must have had very great influence on the history of the Second Age and Third Age in weakening and disarraying the forces of East ... who would both in the Second Age and Third Age otherwise have ... outnumbered the West." |
| Quote: | Therefore Tolkien dramatically altered his conception of the Blue Wizards. They no longer arrived in Middle-earth along with Saruman, Gandalf, and Radagast in c. T.A. 1000. Instead they arrived much earlier, at roughly the same time as Glorfindel in c. S.A. 1600. Whilst Glorfindel was tasked with aiding Elrond with the war in Eriador, the Blue Wizards were destined to journey to the East. Tolkien no longer believed that they drifted from their mission; instead he makes it clear that they played a decisive role in the downfall of Sauron at the end of both the Second Age and the Third Age. They became known as Morinehtar and Rómestámo, Darkness-slayer and East-helper, and were successful in preventing the forces of the East from outnumbering those of the Free peoples in the West.
Based on these later writings, a history of the Blue Wizards can be summarised as the following:
* The two Blue Wizards were sent to Middle-earth at roughly the same time as Glorfindel in c. S.A. 1600 (and similarly at the behest of the Valar), the Year of Dread, when Sauron forged the One Ring and completed the building of Barad-dûr.
* The Blue Wizards journeyed into the East of Middle-earth, where they remained; they were not heard or seen of west of Mordor.
* There they became known as Morinehtar and Rómestámo, Darkness-slayer and East-helper.
* The Blue Wizards were able to hinder Sauron's operations in the East, aiding the defeat of Sauron in the War of the Last Alliance.
* During the early Third Age and until the end of the Watchful Peace, they were tasked with finding where Sauron dwelt. They failed.
* Morinehtar and Rómestámo ensured that the forces of the East did not outnumber the West, thus helping secure victory for the Free peoples in War of the Ring. |
I doubt this will have anything to do with the TV series though since the Blue Wizards are mainly part of Unfinished Tales.
| Quote: | | Since the film production team does not have the rights to include material from sources other than The Hobbit and The Lord of the Rings, the decision to include the line "Blue Wizards" (only appearing in Unfinished Tales) has been regarded as legally controversial. |
Seeing as in the Second Age Sauron becomes the Second Dark Lor after the fall of Morgoth/Melkor even though Sauron is "only" a Maiar as opposed to Valar thanks to him being untethered when it comes to power as opposed to the five Istari who were not allowed to use their powers to any kind of extent similar to Sauron.
And yeah, I AM also a nerd when it comes to the world of Middle Earth.
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Sorry, missed the "blue wizards".
Hm, where are those quotes from? If other writings are excluded from the material pool, it would be very disappointing and limiting. Why are the rest of the works so rarely licensed? Even if a separate license, sounds to me still like such an insignificant fee considering the total cost a series like this (or movies or games) would have.
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| Posted: Sat, 9th Mar 2019 11:26 Post subject: |
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It has been many years since I've read the books. How much of Numenor is in the appendices? Most of it is laid out in Silmarillion, no? If so, could we not assume at least the Silmarillion is in the licensed material pool?
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| Posted: Sat, 9th Mar 2019 11:28 Post subject: |
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The source for my Blue Wizards stuff:
http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Blue_Wizards
The source for my SA info (timeline):
https://lotr.fandom.com/wiki/Second_Age
And yeah, the Númenorian story is told in The Akallabêth which was included in The Silmarillion:
| Quote: | | Tolkien's final revisions of the Akallabêth were published in the last volume of The History of Middle-earth, The Peoples of Middle-earth. It was from this version that Christopher Tolkien got the document that he published in The Silmarillion. |
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| Posted: Sat, 9th Mar 2019 11:43 Post subject: |
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I meant source of the quotes that the Silmarillion is not included in the Amazon licensing.
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| Posted: Sat, 9th Mar 2019 11:54 Post subject: |
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Oh, that quote was from one of those sources but I just noticed they use the word "film" so it's probably about Peter Jacksons trilogy, not the TV-series. Ignore that quote. I've been looking around but can't find any specific details about the $250 million deal with the Tolkien Estate.
We're talking 2020/2021 for the premiere apparently.
https://www.facebook.com/LOTRonPrime/
Official page shows Numenor so we may actually see a show about Numenors rise and fall. Personally I'd prefer a show that includes Celebrimbor and Annatar (Saurons fair form).
Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn!
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Right. It's known that Jackson was not able to get the license for other work for some reason. But other "Tolkien-verse" (hate this term) have also shied away from the Silmarillion and other work.
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