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atf300
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 Posted: Thu, 22nd Dec 2016 16:35 Post subject: 1080p on 1440 24 inch |
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how bad does 1080p look on an 1440 24inch monitor.
i want a gsync monitor , but don't want to sink a lot of money into it .
but i found a dell 24 inch 1440p one for a reasonable price,but am worried that i wont be able to run newer stuff on the 1440p resolution at 60fps on my 1060 .
so , how bad would it look if ran everything downsized on 1080p.
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| Posted: Thu, 22nd Dec 2016 16:38 Post subject: |
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gsync is a hoax ... no pro gamer uses it
if u want 1080p, get a 300 euro 42 inch tv and enjoy big screen gaming like never before
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JBeckman
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| Posted: Thu, 22nd Dec 2016 16:54 Post subject: |
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Will be a bit smaller but the pixel density of 2560x1440 on a 24" might be nice for gaming.
1920x1080 with Nvidia DSR to 3840x2160 would give the GPU a bit more to do too though without having the desktop and all that being in need of DPI scaling.
There's other conditions and specs on top of that too but I'm no expert, stuff like panel type and response time (Normal response time, not the shortcut one where 2ms is actually 8ms or higher.) and then black levels (white to black, again no shortcut with gray to black or how that was.) and well I'm no expert like I said.
Connectivity would be useful too, HDMI or DP specifications on the monitor and that sort of thing but it's a bit more technical. (And might be more for custom resolutions or overclocking the thing which isn't that common.)
Bit-depth I suppose as well, 6-bit? 6+2 ("8") 8-bit or 8+2 ("10") or true 10-bit?
If supported 10 bit can be really nice although you won't see true 10-bit on cheaper monitors, that's going to be 8+2 via FRC / dithering if I remember the terms correctly, basically a trick and not comparable to the image quality and color depth offered by the real thing. (8-bit is pretty common these days though over the earlier 6+2 dither method.)
Can help somewhat with color banding though but 10-bit support and above I'm not too sure how that is in current games.
(I know Alien Isolation supports it as a optional setting you can toggle called "Deep color" to support 10-bit displays and newer games using HDR likely use 10-bit or higher such as 12-bit.)
Unless you absolutely need a cheaper 144+ hz monitor I'd avoid TN over IPS at least (The panel type of the LCD monitor.), rest of the specs well they're useful to keep in mind but not critical unless you're doing fine photo editing or similar designing and those monitors are in the four digit price range.
(VA panel is nice too but less common and tends to be more expensive as I remember.)
They all have their ups and downs though, no "perfect" panel type for everything just yet and the same goes for the various well I forgot what that's called too but LED, OLED and such it's all LCD but the technique varies a bit and also has it's up and down sides. (Price being just one of them.)
But if you already have a monitor in mind this isn't something you'd need to think too much about. 
(Looking up actual info outside of various directly from manufacturer marketing buzzwords and all that or how to say.)
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atf300
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| Posted: Thu, 22nd Dec 2016 17:06 Post subject: |
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its this dell im talking about
http://www.dell.com/ed/business/p/dell-s2417dg-monitor/pd
lets change the question a bit .
A : get 1080p monitor and happily game at 1080p 60fps with the 1060
B: get 1440p monitor and be future proof .
both monitors are 24 inch , so size wise its the same
the price difference is about 60 eur . which is reasonable .
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JBeckman
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| Posted: Thu, 22nd Dec 2016 17:17 Post subject: |
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It's a TN but aside from that it doesn't seem to be bad at all.
http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/dell-s2417dg-24-inch-165hz-g-sync-gaming-monitor,review-33702.html
2560x1440 is about 1.5 million more pixels than 1920x1080 so it does get more demanding but the 1060 should be OK but it's something to consider.
G-Sync unless I'm completely off here also helps minimize VSync related problems with latency when it's on and tearing when it's off by having it GPU controlled and switching as needed depending on current framerate. (I don't think there's any requirement from the drivers or actual games either, it just works though the range offered will vary from one monitor to another.)
Doesn't sound bad from what I'm reading but TN does have a more narrow viewing angle and color range though compared to IPS it can be far faster and you're definitively going to appreciate 120hz above 60hz for refresh rate although for full effect reaching 120 - or higher - framerate in games might require sacrificing some graphical fidelity even on today's top end GPU's.
(G-Sync helps out a bit there though since it's now dynamic.)
Also some other tech that certain monitors offer is incompatible with G-Sync which I think is still in effect so you can't have I think one of these was ULMB as a motion-blur reducing technique (If available.) together with G-Sync, one has to be disabled.
EDIT: Ah it does have "ULMB" going by that review so it's either G-Sync with a dynamic range up to 165hz or ULMB with 120hz.
(G-Sync was the preferred setting it seems.)
EDIT: And here's the connectivity quirk, the HDMI version used doesn't have the bandwidth for 2560x1440 above 60hz so you'll need display port for that.
(HDMI 1.4 instead of the newer 2.0 which does have more bandwidth and it's Display Port 1.2)
It's also a 144hz panel but with G-Sync it goes up a bit to 165hz (Or down to 120hz if ULMB is on instead.)
And as always the 1ms response time is with gray to gray. (So 6 - 8ms then? I have to look it up.)
EDIT: Some more info and user opinions.
http://www.overclock.net/t/1609757/any-opinions-or-reviews-on-the-new-dell-s2417dg
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atf300
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| Posted: Thu, 22nd Dec 2016 17:26 Post subject: |
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im on an old TN right now ,and its ok.
the thing that bothers me the most is screen tearing . which gsync eliminates.
one thing that worries me , that with the 1060 , i can play pretty much of my stuff at 1080p 60fps at ultra.
the next gen of cards will be even more powerful, and all that power will be wasted if i stay at 1080p. (futureproof worry)
on the other hand , maybe just get the 1080p monitor and enjoy everything right now and put the extra to good use somewhere else.
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| Posted: Thu, 22nd Dec 2016 17:33 Post subject: |
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Yeah it's your choice, 1060 should be able to drive 2560x1440 respectably well for most games while having the VRAM for it too but in a year or two that might have changed and it doesn't really help that games these days are somewhat unoptimized either.
(The 1060 is not a bad GPU at all but if the game can't make the most of that performance by using it efficiently that's going to be a problem but this is true even for the big Titan X Pascal in some extremely poorly optimized games too.)
I'd definitively recommend 2560x1440 above 1920x1080 but it is more demanding and though the 24" might have less viewing area than the usual 27" for 1440 the pixel density improves things a bit too.
For 1920x1080 you could also potentially use Nvidia DSR to downsample at multiple higher resolutions for both getting the most out of the GPU but also to reduce aliasing further although downsampling can vary from game to game with some having display problems with e.g the UI elements from just being super small to being incorrectly scaled or positioned.
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atf300
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| Posted: Thu, 22nd Dec 2016 17:48 Post subject: |
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after mentioning DSR , i did change my mind , i never considered it .
24 inch 1080p it is .
thanks JBeckman !
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