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xtralong

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Posted: Sun, 2nd Oct 2016 18:38 Post subject: New machine (1700€/1800€ max)	Quick Quote Quote

So its time to give my old 2500k a rest. What i need (my work is based in agisoft and 3d mapping so i need alot of RAM) is a machine with at least 64gb of RAM for now. I thinking getting this : ASUS STRIX X99 Intel Core i7-6800K G.Skill Ripjaws V Red (16x4) Asus Dual GTX1060 be quiet! Dark Rock Pro 3 Corsair Carbide Series 600C XFX ProSeries 750W LG 34UM68 Need 1 or 2 SSD, and i already have 3x WD RED 3TB. Its gonna be my gaming setup too (BF1 mainly). I gonna buy everything from amazon (es, de, uk, it, whatever it is cheaper) Any advice or changes for this setup? Thank you guys. ''The mind and body must be subjected to extreme stimulus, by means of drugs and music.'' - Hunter S. Thompson

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escalibur

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Posted: Sun, 2nd Oct 2016 18:41 Post subject:	Quick Quote Quote

Your budget is way too low if you have to include X99 platform, ultrawide screen and solid GPU in it. Ryzen 9800X3D CO ~-26/+200 \| Freezer III 360 A-RGB & 3x Phanteks T30 \| Strix X670E-F WiFi \| MSI GeForce RTX 5090 Ventus OC \| Fury Beast 64GB (2x 32GB) DDR5 5600MHz C40 @ 6000MHz C28 \| 970 EVO Plus 2 TB \| 38GN950-B \| S.M.S.L RAW-MDA1 & HiFiMAN Arya Organic \| Lancool III Snow White + 4x be quiet! Silent Wings Pro 4 140mm \| RM1000x (2021) Gold \| G Pro X SUPERLIGHT 2 & POWERPLAY \| Win 11 Pro \| Logitech MX MECHANICAL Sometimes I publish YouTube videos: https://www.youtube.com/@RandomTechChannel

xtralong

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Posted: Sun, 2nd Oct 2016 18:51 Post subject:	Quick Quote Quote

That setup above is between 1700/1800€ in amazon. (at least the last time i check it) ''The mind and body must be subjected to extreme stimulus, by means of drugs and music.'' - Hunter S. Thompson

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Posted: Sun, 2nd Oct 2016 18:55 Post subject:	Quick Quote Quote

All that nice stuff and then you go for a 1060? :/ => NFOrce GIF plugin <= - Ryzen 3800X, 16GB DDR4-3200, Sapphire 5700XT Pulse

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xtralong

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Posted: Sun, 2nd Oct 2016 18:56 Post subject:	Quick Quote Quote

I know! but the 1070 is almost 200/300€ more. ''The mind and body must be subjected to extreme stimulus, by means of drugs and music.'' - Hunter S. Thompson

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Bob Barnsen

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Posted: Sun, 2nd Oct 2016 19:01 Post subject:	Quick Quote Quote

IMHO get rid of that overpriced board and go for a 80-90€ one from a popular brand. Same for the PSU: Get a quality 500-550W instead for ~80€. Enthoo Evolv ATX TG // Asus Prime x370 // Ryzen 1700 // Gainward GTX 1080 // 16GB DDR4-3200

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xtralong

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Posted: Sun, 2nd Oct 2016 19:21 Post subject:	Quick Quote Quote

give me some links, Bob! thx ''The mind and body must be subjected to extreme stimulus, by means of drugs and music.'' - Hunter S. Thompson

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Bob Barnsen

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Posted: Sun, 2nd Oct 2016 19:32 Post subject:

xtralong wrote:

give me some links, Bob! thx

I don't have any specific models, as i would have to do the research myself first too. Sad

I can only give some brands. Mainboard: ASRock, Asus
PSU: Seasonic, beQuiet

But from my past experiences and researches those price ranges for those parts are sufficient for most people needs.

As a guideline i often first look for the parts at a big german online shop: http://www.mindfactory.de/
And there i mainly look at the reviews to see if and how many people report failures or other problems.

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xtralong

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Posted: Sun, 2nd Oct 2016 20:02 Post subject:	Quick Quote Quote

I cant find any good MB 2011-v3 in that price range. ''The mind and body must be subjected to extreme stimulus, by means of drugs and music.'' - Hunter S. Thompson

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escalibur

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Posted: Sun, 2nd Oct 2016 20:22 Post subject:

xtralong wrote:

give me some links, Bob! thx

EVGA, SeaSonic for example. Check JonyGuru's and TechPowerUp's reviews.

farne

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Posted: Sun, 2nd Oct 2016 20:52 Post subject:	Quick Quote Quote

Your 2500K is fine for BF1

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Posted: Sun, 2nd Oct 2016 21:22 Post subject:

xtralong wrote:

I cant find any good MB 2011-v3 in that price range. Sad

Why would you want 2011? i7-6700K should save you quite a lot. (edit: well 64GB is memory limit and if 128GB would be must, then x99 would be only option)

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Skylake-Motherboard-3200Mhz-Vengeance-Pre-Built/dp/B01DDJONAC/ref=sr_1_5?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1475435998&sr=1-5&keywords=6700k&th=1

Like so, didn't check if that bundle gives you a discount.

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Your 2500K is fine for BF1

I hate when people say these things. "Yet another useless 5-10% faster new Intel CPU, won't upgrade my 20y old CPU!"

I had 2500k before and no way would I go back to 4core anymore. Even in BF4 it was quite the difference between 2500K overclocked and my current 8 thread 4770k stock.

It's not just the megahertz, those 5-10% generation boosts do add up, not to mention the miles faster memory bandwidth you get, that also helps. Basically my 2500k was 100% all 4 cores most the time in BF4 and 4770k is at leisurely 50% usage.

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Posted: Sun, 2nd Oct 2016 21:42 Post subject:	Quick Quote Quote

⁢⁢ Last edited by paxsali on Thu, 4th Jul 2024 21:22; edited 1 time in total

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Posted: Sun, 2nd Oct 2016 21:51 Post subject:

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If you skip X99 platform (gotta be careful with Mobo selection, they have issues) and 2011-3 sockel CPU you can EASILY afford GTX 1080, just saying.

Unless you need the 6 cores for your 3D software, too. I dunno. Neutral

Yep, that was my point, X99 -> Z170 and saved money takes care of this

xtralong wrote:

I know! but the 1070 is almost 200/300€ more. Sad

BF1 performance shall be quite different. That software CPU usage is another thing. I know no game even comes close to using my 8 threads, but encoding a video for example is 8x100% usage. Doubt you shall miss those extra 4 thread from 6800k though, if you are currently using it with 2500k and shall gain double the threads with 6700k.

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xtralong

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Posted: Sun, 2nd Oct 2016 22:02 Post subject:

OnBoard wrote:

xtralong wrote:

I cant find any good MB 2011-v3 in that price range. Sad

The problem is that i really need 64gb now, and in the near future more then that (128gb).

The RAM in z170 platform is 64gb max?

some agisoft benchmarks.

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/CPU/1057

(the software is very core and thread eater)

Regarding the bf1 with a 1060 should be enough for a 2560 x 1080 no?

paxsali wrote:

any recommendation for the MB?

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Posted: Sun, 2nd Oct 2016 22:09 Post subject:

xtralong wrote:

The problem is that i really need 64gb now, and in the near future more then that (128gb).

The RAM in z170 platform is 64gb max?

some agisoft benchmarks. (the software is very core and thread eater)

Regarding the bf1 with a 1060 should be enough for a 2560 x 1080 no?

Yep 64GB max, so X99 it is then, as extra threads come to use as well. 1060 should be fine on that resolution as I got 60fps+ on ultra with my 970 on FHD and 1060 is like 980.

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xtralong

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Posted: Sun, 2nd Oct 2016 22:23 Post subject:

OnBoard wrote:

xtralong wrote:

Yep 64GB max, so X99 it is then, as extra threads come to use as well. 1060 should be fine on that resolution as I got 60fps+ on ultra with my 970 on FHD and 1060 is like 980.

Since i never played any BF with settings above medium (fps over image quality), that good news!

Thank you for the tips.

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xtralong

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Posted: Wed, 5th Oct 2016 20:29 Post subject:	Quick Quote Quote

For those who cares, the final setup will be: CPU: i7 6800k • https://www.amazon.it/dp/B01FJLA8NI MB: MSI X99 MPower • https://www.amazon.it/dp/B00V4V4QUY RAM: HyperX Fury (4x16GB) • https://www.amazon.it/dp/B01D8U29QQ GPU: Zotac GTX1060 • https://www.amazon.de/dp/B01I5O5AP2 SSD: Crucial MX300 525GB • https://www.amazon.it/dp/B01IAGSD68/ SCREEN: LG 34UM68 • https://www.amazon.it/dp/B01AWG5WM2 CASE: Corsair 750D • https://www.amazon.de/dp/B00EB6O4N8/ PSU: EVGA Supernova G2 850W • https://www.amazon.it/dp/B01BGG5PTM COOLER: Be Quiet! Dark Rock Pro 3 • https://www.amazon.it/dp/B00HPX7J4K 2196€ ''The mind and body must be subjected to extreme stimulus, by means of drugs and music.'' - Hunter S. Thompson

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Posted: Wed, 5th Oct 2016 21:52 Post subject:	Quick Quote Quote

I suppose you dont care about it or want to be able to add another gpu, but 850W seems a bit much. Anyway, nice setup! "Enlightenment is man's emergence from his self-imposed nonage. Nonage is the inability to use one's own understanding without another's guidance. This nonage is self-imposed if its cause lies not in lack of understanding but in indecision and lack of courage to use one's own mind without another's guidance. Dare to know! (Sapere aude.) "Have the courage to use your own understanding," is therefore the motto of the enlightenment."

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escalibur

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Posted: Wed, 5th Oct 2016 22:01 Post subject:	Quick Quote Quote

1060 Ryzen 9800X3D CO ~-26/+200 \| Freezer III 360 A-RGB & 3x Phanteks T30 \| Strix X670E-F WiFi \| MSI GeForce RTX 5090 Ventus OC \| Fury Beast 64GB (2x 32GB) DDR5 5600MHz C40 @ 6000MHz C28 \| 970 EVO Plus 2 TB \| 38GN950-B \| S.M.S.L RAW-MDA1 & HiFiMAN Arya Organic \| Lancool III Snow White + 4x be quiet! Silent Wings Pro 4 140mm \| RM1000x (2021) Gold \| G Pro X SUPERLIGHT 2 & POWERPLAY \| Win 11 Pro \| Logitech MX MECHANICAL Sometimes I publish YouTube videos: https://www.youtube.com/@RandomTechChannel

xtralong

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Posted: Wed, 5th Oct 2016 22:13 Post subject:

couleur wrote:

I suppose you dont care about it or want to be able to add another gpu, but 850W seems a bit much.

Anyway, nice setup!

So maybe a 750w is enough?

I do care about humpers opinions, but i really cant find a 1070 beneath 450€. Sad

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Posted: Wed, 5th Oct 2016 22:17 Post subject:	Quick Quote Quote

Seems a bit all over the place with quality and out of whack for the money you are willing to spend. To clarify: High end: CPU, Ram, a 500gb SSD, High wattage PSU (which you don't seem to need) and then you end up having a 1060 Seems to me if you alter here or there you could easily couple it with a 1070. Also can't you get it elsewhere cheaper because to me it seems like you are overpaying for most of the items. Edit: Ah, wurk PC. Well my own fault for just reading the last post of yours xD Last edited by Morphineus on Wed, 5th Oct 2016 22:26; edited 3 times in total

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xtralong

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Posted: Wed, 5th Oct 2016 22:24 Post subject:	Quick Quote Quote

For the money i think is not a bad setup, maybe the gtx1060 is a little above the rest but this is gonna be mainly a working station for my daily work (agisoft software) and a little here and there for gaming (bf1 90% of the time). I'm always open for changing anything in the setup above. Anyway i found a 1070 Gainward and Palit for less then 425€. How is the building quality? ok? ''The mind and body must be subjected to extreme stimulus, by means of drugs and music.'' - Hunter S. Thompson

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Posted: Wed, 5th Oct 2016 22:30 Post subject:	Quick Quote Quote

I dont think your system will ever be consuming over +-450W even at max OC. 650W should be enough imo. Unless you plan for dual gpus. "Enlightenment is man's emergence from his self-imposed nonage. Nonage is the inability to use one's own understanding without another's guidance. This nonage is self-imposed if its cause lies not in lack of understanding but in indecision and lack of courage to use one's own mind without another's guidance. Dare to know! (Sapere aude.) "Have the courage to use your own understanding," is therefore the motto of the enlightenment."

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Posted: Wed, 5th Oct 2016 23:55 Post subject:

Agree with others about PSU, 40€ savings with this (650W version of your choice)
https://www.amazon.it/EVGA-SuperNOVA-PSU-650W-Nero/dp/B014JNH3BC/

xtralong wrote:

Anyway i found a 1070 Gainward and Palit for less then 425€. How is the building quality? ok?

Those GameRock/JetStreams are pretty much best (quietest) 1070 out there, but I think that 425€ is this one:

https://www.amazon.it/Palit-GTX1070-Dual-Scheda-Grafica/dp/B01IPVIIAY/

It's dual slot, those others are 2.5 slots. Haven't found any review of them, but should be better than any blower type. They probably don't have idle fan off feature, but you have to check if there are user reviews somewhere.

edit: here's user reviews of the thing, seems ok.
http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/tab/reviews/8192MB-Gainward-GeForce-GTX-1070-Aktiv-PCIe-3-0-x16--Retail-_1114086.html#reviews

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Posted: Thu, 6th Oct 2016 09:33 Post subject:	Quick Quote Quote

https://cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Intel+Xeon+X5650+%40+2.67GHz&id=1304&cpuCount=2 If you check ebay, then for one CPU (sure you can go double, as they cost around 100 USD pair) and mobo it would be around 150 EUR Add some 64GB RAM for 100 EUR more Some NZXT case and corsair PSU some 150 EUR 2xSSD Crucial MX 250gb or smth = 200 EUR 1070 - 500 EUR = 1100 EUR, and you have budget for mega gsync monitor as well ))))) AMEN A man is a success if he gets up in the morning and gets to bed at night, and in between he does what he wants to do. Bob Dylan

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Posted: Thu, 6th Oct 2016 16:01 Post subject:	Quick Quote Quote

@whited Those Xeons are year OLDER than his current 2500k Yes they be cheap now, considering they were over 1000$ when new. But they will be beat by current i7s. http://ark.intel.com/products/52585/Intel-Core-i7-990X-Processor-Extreme-Edition-12M-Cache-3_46-GHz-6_40-GTs-Intel-QPI This one is year newer, much faster clocked than those Xeons and it's beaten by 4790k in the OP agisoft benchmark. So they don't really make sense anymore. LG 27UD58 27" 4K IPS \| ASRock Z87M Extreme4 \| i7-4770K @4.2GHz delid/reseal \| Phanteks PH-TC14PE \| Palit GTX 1070 Super JetStream coming! - Gigabyte GTX 970 G1 \| 16GB G.Skill Sniper 1866Mhz \| Samsung 850 EVO 250GB + Kingston UV400 480 GB \| 2TB HDD \| Fractal Design Newton R3 600W Platinum \| Aerocool DS Window White \| Logitech G9x \| Corsair K70 Cherry MX Brown (MX Clear spacebar mod) \| W10 Pro x64

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Posted: Sun, 9th Oct 2016 20:22 Post subject:	Quick Quote Quote

Dual X5650 Passmark - 11728 non OC, and more if oc, they OC to 4GHZ easy = 100 eur i7 6800k Passmark - 13681 non OC = 400 eur then mobo price as well some hundred eur difference in favor of x5650 sure few generation behind, but performance +- same and some 400-450 eur saved but still there are people who dont buy used cpus, so its fine as well A man is a success if he gets up in the morning and gets to bed at night, and in between he does what he wants to do. Bob Dylan

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Posted: Tue, 11th Oct 2016 15:06 Post subject:	Quick Quote Quote

Got a Gainward 1070 the rest is the same. Thank you guys OnBoard see you in BF1, give me your id tag! ''The mind and body must be subjected to extreme stimulus, by means of drugs and music.'' - Hunter S. Thompson

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Posted: Tue, 11th Oct 2016 20:39 Post subject:

xtralong wrote:

Got a Gainward 1070 the rest is the same.

OnBoard see you in BF1, give me your id tag! Very Happy

Same as here. Imma need myself a 1070 someday too, got to see if price drops any for xmas.

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