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russ80
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 Posted: Wed, 21st Sep 2016 15:25 Post subject: HDR support on PC. When? |
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EDIT: DO NOT CONFUSE THIS WITH POST-PROCESSING EFFECTS (HDR) FROM GAMES LIKE HALF-LIFE 2, THIS IS ABOUT 10Bit DISPLAYS SHOWING OFF 1BILLION COLORS VS 16MIL ON 8BIT ONES.
Like the title implies, when is it coming? Pascal/Polaris support HDR in theory but the drivers/windows 10 itself doesn't seem to.
Forza 3 horizon which releases this week will not have HDR support for PC but does for XboX one S. According to microsoft there's barely any chance it will on PC nevermind the fact that if it does, from what they're saying, it will only happen when HDR monitors come out.
Why can't we use HDR already via our 4k HDR tv's connected to the PC, but the crapbox one S can?
Gears4 / Scalebound also getting HDR on Xb1S, as well as many other games on the PS4PRO this fall.
Having seen HDR content and how amazing it is it pisses me off not having it available in games on PC too. I'd hate to have to buy a ps4pro to enjoy it. As for the rest of my PC games, why shouldn't i be able to ?
Also, there was talk about ROTTR supporting HDR on PC (on the nvidia blog) but nothing since then..
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| Posted: Wed, 21st Sep 2016 15:30 Post subject: |
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Yeah, I don't know when, but it will definitely happen soon(TM) as it will be a standard feature of all console games in the future.
TWIN PEAKS is "something of a miracle."
"...like nothing else on television."
"a phenomenon."
"A tangled tale of sex, violence, power, junk food..."
"Like Nothing On Earth"
~ WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO SAY CAN ONLY BE SEEN ~
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHTUOgYNRzY
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| Posted: Wed, 21st Sep 2016 15:31 Post subject: |
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honestly who cares atm? the percentage of pc gamers who have a hdr tv AND have their pc connected to that for some games is irrelevant low (or did you just bought an new hdr 4k tv for 5000 euros?)
and about pc monitors with hdr -> ehm, how many models are available? two? three? and all of them above 1000 euros and not ment for gaming
it will come when the tech is ready for the mass market, but it isnt yet. the hdr jibberish on the ps4 and xboner s is just marketing shit
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russ80
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| Posted: Wed, 21st Sep 2016 15:32 Post subject: |
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I just don't get what's the holdup. Why can't i connect my PC to my TV and get forza 3 hdr like an xbox one s can?
Microsoft fuckup via windows 10?
NVIDIA/AMD fuckup because of drivers?
Something else?
@ Janz no it's not. KS8000 is around 1200E, not 5k (1000+ nits), and it's a really good model.Plus low latency in game mode+HDR. There are even cheaper ones, but not worth it because of worse HDR, but there are. Also last time i checked there were no HDR monitors available for sale.
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| Posted: Wed, 21st Sep 2016 15:34 Post subject: |
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Im pretty sure this will take forever, since most developers cant get even modern aspect ratios right.
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tonizito
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| Posted: Wed, 21st Sep 2016 15:34 Post subject: |
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AFAIK only AMD is working on something like this, including support for some older PC titles
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| Posted: Wed, 21st Sep 2016 15:34 Post subject: |
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na its just not worth the time for them atm. oh great sony implements with the new firmware hdr for every console, great. but who uses it? 1% of all owners maybe cause as i said -> nobody has a capable tv for it (and i still think 1080p of the ps4 looks absolutely awful on a 4k screen). and the ps4 pro will change nothing cause its 99% only upscaled shit.
when the time comes that hdr display become more common the games will support it, no reason to waste time now for 5 people on the world
and if you want to play on your tv get a fucking console, sure its nice to have it hooked up for them games. but who has his gaming pc next to his tv?
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russ80
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| Posted: Wed, 21st Sep 2016 15:38 Post subject: |
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That's not the point. I most likely will buy the ps4pro and use it on the ks8000. I'd like however to use my 1070 which is more powerful and have HDR too. I'm not even sure why you're arguing against it.
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| Posted: Wed, 21st Sep 2016 16:13 Post subject: |
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2017 will see first HDR VA monitors and second generation of HDR TVs
It's all still very early.
But Derp Effect Dolby Vision HDR confirmed for PC, as well as some other games http://cdn.overclock.net/7/7e/7e5ef754_2uQ6rnG.jpeg
support for PC games will come probably shortly after new ps4 is out just be a little more patient. MS may want to withhold it for a while so they can push the One S
but it's definitely coming
I'm afraid HDR monitors gonna be unnecessarily expensive at first, they will maybe initially not couple HDR monitors with high refresh, and probably they will only release 4k monitors (I'd rather see HDR on 1080p and 1440p screens as well).
Also apparently it is not possible/too costly to implement full array local dimming on monitor sizes but a VA with strong enough static contrast should be able to produce an acceptable enough HDR image. OLED still nowhere to be seen, that Dell monitor is probably vaporware. But I already predict 2017 is going to be the year of trial&error and the really good displays won't be out until 2018.
And we still need fuckin 4k blu-ray crack and hdr scene releases.
Its all going too slow...
Also most people have no clue what HDR actually means. They still think it is like the post-processing in games, or that hdr exposure method used in photography.
It's quite sad really, but it also was a stupid choice to give it a name that people associate with something else... Good you have put that warning there 
If you want hdr now, the Samsung KS series is really the best option
but it still has to use some tricks -
"Once a peak white pattern was put up on screen, the 55KS8000 didn’t hit full brightness immediately, needing at least 7 seconds to ramp up from circa-700 nits to 1400 nits. The display would then hang onto 1400 nits for a further 13 seconds, before peak luminance slowly dropped to 520 nits over a period of 15 seconds."
If more PC games will use Dolby Vision standard instead of HDR10 then Samsung will hopefully bring out firmware update to add support
early adopter woes, as usual
http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/ue55ks8000-201609174362.htm
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| Posted: Wed, 21st Sep 2016 17:11 Post subject: |
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| Breezer_ wrote: | | Im pretty sure this will take forever, since most developers cant get even modern aspect ratios right. |
But it won't be something extra they'll be doing for PC, it'll be a standardized feature on all platforms.
TWIN PEAKS is "something of a miracle."
"...like nothing else on television."
"a phenomenon."
"A tangled tale of sex, violence, power, junk food..."
"Like Nothing On Earth"
~ WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO SAY CAN ONLY BE SEEN ~
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHTUOgYNRzY |
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| Posted: Wed, 21st Sep 2016 17:13 Post subject: |
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| Shocktrooper wrote: | | And we still need fuckin 4k blu-ray crack and hdr scene releases. |
We need legal playback first!  
TWIN PEAKS is "something of a miracle."
"...like nothing else on television."
"a phenomenon."
"A tangled tale of sex, violence, power, junk food..."
"Like Nothing On Earth"
~ WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO SAY CAN ONLY BE SEEN ~
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHTUOgYNRzY |
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couleur
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| Posted: Wed, 21st Sep 2016 17:16 Post subject: |
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Moving to hardware section.
"Enlightenment is man's emergence from his self-imposed nonage. Nonage is the inability to use one's own understanding without another's guidance. This nonage is self-imposed if its cause lies not in lack of understanding but in indecision and lack of courage to use one's own mind without another's guidance. Dare to know! (Sapere aude.) "Have the courage to use your own understanding," is therefore the motto of the enlightenment."
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| Posted: Wed, 21st Sep 2016 23:08 Post subject: |
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Should be full 10-bit 4:4:4 on all RGB channels, at least in PC games. DP 1.4 will have no problems achieving the required bandwidth.
But an 8bit+frc dithering panel is enough, it does not have to be a true 10-bit panel.
The minimum requirements to get an acceptable HDR image are the following (and they are in theory already achievable in monitors, not even that expensive, so no idea why it takes so long to even announce something)
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- 8bit+FRC panel, >90% DCI-P3 gamut, >4000:1 static contrast, min. 500-600cd/m² peak brightness
Full requirements (won't be achieved for years)
- True 10-12bit panel, 100% Rec.2020 gamut, >20000:1 to infinite static contrast, 10000cd/m² peak brightness
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350 cd/m2 - a minimum and that all could see that it is a picture HDR
351 - 500 cd/m2 - the range in which you may feel a higher brightness and a greater amount of detail in the whites, but does not have a gap in terms of content SDR
501 - 750 cd/m2 - is getting nice, we feel that we are dealing with a new image quality
751 - 1000 cd/m2 - HDR effect is clearly noticeable, the amount of detail in bright fields is very high
1001 - 1500 cd/m2 - HDR effect in all its glory, people in contact with the first time they go WOW
>1500 cd/m2 - song of the future, I look forward to the display, which will be able to show the effect of HDR in this dimension
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| Posted: Sun, 25th Sep 2016 10:13 Post subject: I have left. |
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