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So when I eventually upgrade to a GTX 1080 "gaming model", I'm also thinking about a new monitor. These days I'm gaming on a BenQ XL2411Z, so 144hz, TN-panel and 24".
I'm thinking of going 27" though, but would still like to stay above 60hz. And really, IPS panel or anything better than TN, would be excellent as well. I know of the G-Sync monitors though, though they aren't exactly cheap, and from what I understand they have some QC issues.
Any ideas? I remember a few years ago, people were buying these Korean 27" 1440p monitors and they were pretty decent, right? 1440p would be awesome to have.
Has there been any new models of these Korean monitors? Any specific model to recommend?
So yeah, more than 60hz, 27", preferreably not TN panel and preferrably 1440p..
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| Posted: Wed, 6th Jul 2016 12:08 Post subject: |
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What about an ultra wide gaming monitor?
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| Posted: Wed, 6th Jul 2016 13:02 Post subject: |
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G-Sync: Asus PG279Q (€799), Acer XB271HU (€799), Acer XB270HU (€799)
Adaptive Sync/FreeSync: Asus MG279Q (€589), Eizo FS2735 (€1079), Acer XF270HU (€625)
All of them 1440p with an AUO AHVA panel (AHVA = their version of IPS), most ship at 120 or 144 Hz, but most of them can go as far as 165 Hz. The panels in question are just variations of the same thing; the two 279Q and the two 270HU models are the same panel exactly. The 271HU is a bit of a dark horse, very little information about it.
Unless you really want G-Sync, ignore those entirely. They offer no better image quality over the others; quite the opposite. The PG279Q suffers from shitloads of RTC artefacts if you set it to Extreme for example. You pay €200 for a crappy scaler and Nvidi-peen.
The best buy from all of these is the MG279Q really.
The Eizo does have better build quality; although I feel they still went too far with the price, especially after the 23" FS and the FG2421 that were all priced pretty damn well. Compared to the others it has less IPS glow, it has no clouding or bleeding (which the other ones do). Most importantly (probably) though, when you turn on the strobing it maintains a much higher brightness than all the other ones. And not just a little bit, it's 50-80% brighter. Not as bright as the FG2421, but it's only just behind BenQ's XL2730Z...which is a TN panel.
I'm still waiting for Nvidia to admit that G-Sync is dead and for them to support Adaptive Sync.
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| Posted: Wed, 6th Jul 2016 14:05 Post subject: |
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I'm waiting for HDR monitors now. First ones are supposed to come out in first half of 2017.
I have a feeling that within 2 years, monitors with 300-350cd/m² brightness, sRGB color space and 1000:1 contrast will be outdated for the newest movies and games.
No matter the refresh rate and resolution.
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| Posted: Wed, 6th Jul 2016 15:19 Post subject: |
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| Werelds wrote: | G-Sync: Asus PG279Q (€799), Acer XB271HU (€799), Acer XB270HU (€799)
Adaptive Sync/FreeSync: Asus MG279Q (€589), Eizo FS2735 (€1079), Acer XF270HU (€625)
All of them 1440p with an AUO AHVA panel (AHVA = their version of IPS), most ship at 120 or 144 Hz, but most of them can go as far as 165 Hz. The panels in question are just variations of the same thing; the two 279Q and the two 270HU models are the same panel exactly. The 271HU is a bit of a dark horse, very little information about it.
Unless you really want G-Sync, ignore those entirely. They offer no better image quality over the others; quite the opposite. The PG279Q suffers from shitloads of RTC artefacts if you set it to Extreme for example. You pay €200 for a crappy scaler and Nvidi-peen.
The best buy from all of these is the MG279Q really.
The Eizo does have better build quality; although I feel they still went too far with the price, especially after the 23" FS and the FG2421 that were all priced pretty damn well. Compared to the others it has less IPS glow, it has no clouding or bleeding (which the other ones do). Most importantly (probably) though, when you turn on the strobing it maintains a much higher brightness than all the other ones. And not just a little bit, it's 50-80% brighter. Not as bright as the FG2421, but it's only just behind BenQ's XL2730Z...which is a TN panel.
I'm still waiting for Nvidia to admit that G-Sync is dead and for them to support Adaptive Sync. |
Alright, thanks for the info! I already have a IPS screen though (29" LG ultrawide), so I really don't absolutely REQUIRE an IPS as my gaming monitor. I can edit color-sensitive things on the LG. Can one find at least a decent non-IPS 27" monitor? There are plenty of options from what I can see.
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| Posted: Wed, 6th Jul 2016 17:40 Post subject: |
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To be fair, no.
They still start at €500. BenQ's XL2730Z is the only one I'd consider then, purely because it doesn't lose all of its brightness when you use strobing. But even then, I've grown so accustomed to IPS and VA that I really can't live with TN anymore 
To give you an idea of just how bad these monitors are for the money though:
This guy has gone through 5 samples of the PG279Q already. That's an €800 monitor. This photo was the best of those 5. One of his samples bleeds from the bottom right so badly that it basically covers a quarter of the display. Another basically bleeds all around the bezel.
So getting that shit for €600 would be bad enough, but tack on the bonus for #premium #quality Nvidia G-Sync (no, G-Sync isn't responsible for the shitty build quality, but it is responsible for the fucked up price) and it becomes €800.
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| Posted: Wed, 6th Jul 2016 18:13 Post subject: |
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Got three MG279Q, had all of them at the same time at home and the quality control on asus is aweful, couldnt stand the backlight bleeding. In the end got a BenQ XL2730Z and Im so happy with it.
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| Posted: Wed, 6th Jul 2016 20:52 Post subject: |
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I know it's totally unrelevant but I went with A-MVA+ panel few months ago. At least until oled gets more popular, as amva panels have probably best black depth(native contrast) of any panels.
Viewing angles sit between ips and tn and ghosting can be a real issue on those. I got benq first but returned it due to nightmare fuel trail. Got Iiyama and its just like ips with better blacks. Very happy with my purchase but again... I dont give a shit about anything more than 1080p(got 24 inches screen) and 60hz.
Also I dont get this one thing. Why are people looking for 144hz gsync screens? Isn't freesync/gsync most helpful to those who can't achieve stable framerate, so they can enjoy life with lower fps which wont be as noticable due to refreshing with monitor ?
Here is how it looks at night. one image focused on black, other on white part of image
http://imgur.com/a/5edvD
edit. Also as a bonus.. here is my initial photo comparison of my old dell ips to benq amva+ which I've returned due to ghosting. Iiyama have the same panel exactly. Just upograded with better iiyamas overdrive to reduce ghosting.
http://i.imgur.com/P8hTyFG.jpg
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| Posted: Wed, 6th Jul 2016 21:20 Post subject: |
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Adaptive sync is even better on 144hz and 4k monitors, because only a few shitty old games can hold the framerate required.
Without adaptive sync if it's not exactly the refresh rate there will be judder.
With adaptive sync you won't really notice when it drops down to 100-143fps which happens regularly on almost every new game no matter how good the hardware.
The black improved a bit on my iiyama B1 after a few months and unless I put the brightness over ~160cd/m² I don't even see any brightening in the corners anymore and it is perfectly uniform
Pretty sure contrast around 4000:1 now
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| Posted: Wed, 6th Jul 2016 21:44 Post subject: |
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thats a good score!
What brightness and contrast setting ?
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| Posted: Wed, 6th Jul 2016 21:52 Post subject: |
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| KillerCrocker wrote: | thats a good score!
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Brightness between 90-120cd/m² most of the time (15-30)
But some colourful games like Mario I prefer to play at over 200cd/m²
Contrast is 85 usually.
I sometimes put it to 100 to max it out and use a custom gamma curve to compensate for the white crush it causes http://i.imgur.com/TtL3MJD.png
Pretty sure that adds another 500:1
But the B1 and your B2 settings effects are different since it is not the same panel you know that
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| Posted: Wed, 6th Jul 2016 22:01 Post subject: |
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Who the fuck buys Asus monitors? For me, only two companies exist, LG and Samsung.
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| Posted: Thu, 7th Jul 2016 04:55 Post subject: |
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Buying any 27" 1440p 144Hz IPS monitor right now is a lottery. It's probably a good idea to wait until a better panel shows up, but that might take some time.
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| Posted: Thu, 7th Jul 2016 17:51 Post subject: |
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Then I guess I was lucky with my PG279Q. I do have the IPS glow but barely. Nothing compared to those 20 images loll!! I do have one of the latest revisions though. Serial number starting with G5LM.........
I am very satisfied with it and no burnt pixels either.
Best investment I made for a while now. I'll post a pic of it tonight when it's dark over here.
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| Posted: Sun, 31st Jul 2016 12:11 Post subject: |
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You can get a Pixio PX277 or Crossover 27Fast, they are same panel but cheaper than the MG279Q.
FreeSync won't work on Nvidia, not yet at least.
The G-Sync monitors are much more expensive, and there are no budget/korean variants of those so it's your call.
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| Posted: Thu, 1st Sep 2016 21:56 Post subject: |
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Alright, fuck it, new plan and planning on following through with this.
I'm keeping my 144hz BenQ for gaming, and getting rid of my LG ultrawide 29", and replacing that with a 27"+ monitor. 60Hz, IPS and at least 27". Maybe even 30-32".
It will be used for Illustrator, Photoshop (photo editing etc) and games that doesn't need any more than 60 FPS (games that just look good).
Ya'll seem to have great ideas, so have at it  LG 32MP58HQ is a cheap one, is it decent? Can't seem to find good reviews, but maybe you guys know if the panel it uses is good etc.
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| Posted: Thu, 1st Sep 2016 22:11 Post subject: |
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jeez 1080p at 31.5'' that will be painful.
If you want that size you can either go for the 1440p - Philips BDM3270QP, Asus PB328Q (75hz, overpriced), HP Omen 32 (75hz freesync)
Or at 4k get the BenQ BL3201PT but that's gonna be twice as expensive
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| Posted: Fri, 2nd Sep 2016 08:47 Post subject: |
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Hm, that Phillips one sounds pretty nice actually. The Asus as you say seems a little heavily priced for what it is? And I can't find that HP one, only find 400 laptopts that are called Omen.
Tough one! Maybe settle for 27" and 1440p intead. Dunno!
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| Posted: Fri, 2nd Sep 2016 09:59 Post subject: |
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| _SiN_ wrote: | Alright, fuck it, new plan and planning on following through with this.
I'm keeping my 144hz BenQ for gaming, and getting rid of my LG ultrawide 29", and replacing that with a 27"+ monitor. 60Hz, IPS and at least 27". Maybe even 30-32".
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What type from LG Ultrawide do you have?
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| Posted: Fri, 2nd Sep 2016 10:04 Post subject: |
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| Aeon wrote: | | _SiN_ wrote: | Alright, fuck it, new plan and planning on following through with this.
I'm keeping my 144hz BenQ for gaming, and getting rid of my LG ultrawide 29", and replacing that with a 27"+ monitor. 60Hz, IPS and at least 27". Maybe even 30-32".
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