Medical cannabis
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Phil2003




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PostPosted: Fri, 15th Apr 2016 17:10    Post subject: Medical cannabis
I want to bring up that topic, since i couldnt find one.
CBD (a non-psychoactive cannabinoid, in opposite to THC) is handled as the new "wonderdrug". It has so many benefits, like

Antiemetic - Reduces nausea and vomiting
Anticonvulsant - Suppresses seizure activity
Antipsychotic Combats psychosis disorders
Anti-inflammatory - Combats inflammatory disorders
Anti-oxidant - Combats neurodegenerative disorders
Anti-tumoral/Anti-cancer - Combats tumor and cancer cells
Anxiolytic/Anti-depressant - Combats anxiety and depression disorders

CBD is non-toxic, so you cannot overdose it. It helps with sleep problems as well and takes away lots of social anxiety.
It denies growth of many forms of cancer, together with THC (which kills cancer) it has already healed thousands of terminal cancer.
Unfortunately, THC is illegal in most parts of the world, while CBD can be legally bought nearly everywhere.

There are a lot of scammers out there, so beware if you want to try it.
One reliable source (read through the reviews): https://www.etsy.com/shop/Dutchnaturalhealing

For me, it is very relaxing... its like taking pills for muscle relaxation.

The more awareness about this stuff, the better. If you know people around your place with cancer, spread the wisdom.
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PostPosted: Fri, 15th Apr 2016 17:13    Post subject:
No thc no weed Mad
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Phil2003




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PostPosted: Fri, 15th Apr 2016 17:19    Post subject:
freiwald wrote:
No thc no weed Mad


It is not for getting high... thats why its called medical cannabis. Razz
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PostPosted: Fri, 15th Apr 2016 18:04    Post subject:
If it doesnt make me high, why would people without a medical condition want it?

Is it some kind of new thing in the natural healing departement? Another "wonder drug"? Oh wait...


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dangerouseddy




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PostPosted: Fri, 15th Apr 2016 20:34    Post subject:
hmm id like to see more data on its effectiveness on specific types of cancer, might take it for its anti nausea effects but wouldn't take it for anything else unless I saw a lot of studies about its effectiveness.

personally i'd take chemo with a very high cure rate over some unproven cbd for nhl stage 4.


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PostPosted: Fri, 15th Apr 2016 20:55    Post subject:
I also heard it cured autism, club foot and you can use it for hair growth.


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PostPosted: Fri, 15th Apr 2016 21:05    Post subject:
<Waiting for FireMaster and sausje (ah yes, he is banned) to explain their love to this shit>


shitloads of new stuff in my pc. Cant keep track of it all.
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Phil2003




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PostPosted: Fri, 15th Apr 2016 22:12    Post subject:
Its got many uses, pain, inflammation, relaxation, anxiety, depression, sleep, etc.

Theres also a reddit community -> https://www.reddit.com/r/jailbreak/

Theres already a whole lot of scientific research on the net, including tests on how it kills cancer.
Yet, this is all still in research... but who cares, if it helps? Cancer can have many forms and fighting it means to take on a whole bunch of measures.
I have more info about that via pm, if someone cares. Although chemotherapy kills more people then it heals, its still a viable option (and for some the only).
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PostPosted: Fri, 15th Apr 2016 22:33    Post subject:
Phil2003 wrote:
Its got many uses, pain, inflammation, relaxation, anxiety, depression, sleep, etc.

Theres also a reddit community -> https://www.reddit.com/r/jailbreak/

Is that a meta joke about Apple beeing cancer? Confused

Regarding chemo:
Not sure if its true but i´ve read somewhere that chemotherapy is "only to prolong life,cure may or may not come out of it as positive side effect". Kinda scary if you think about it.What role cannabis can play in healing should be checked asap


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Morphineus
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PostPosted: Fri, 15th Apr 2016 22:49    Post subject:
While it has its benefits... It's a bit silly to list all kinds of things without actual research (how early it may be) linked. That's why I joked with the whole 'tonic' approach. As this post can just be read as an unfounded cure for all miracle product.

I don't have a problem with weed though, done it enough in my teens. I find it problematic when people make it their lifestyle... but don't you worry that goes for any drugs. I'm fair!


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PostPosted: Sat, 16th Apr 2016 11:00    Post subject:
Do you really think pharmaceutical companies wouldn't be all over this if it already "healed thousands of cases of terminal cancer"?
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PostPosted: Sat, 16th Apr 2016 11:47    Post subject:
Mister_s wrote:
Do you really think pharmaceutical companies wouldn't be all over this if it already "healed thousands of cases of terminal cancer"?


You don't seem to understand how Big Pharma works. How are they going to make money if they "heal" people instead of shoveling drugs down people's throats that only just slightly alleviates the complications?
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Mister_s




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PostPosted: Sat, 16th Apr 2016 12:56    Post subject:
Ah yes, I forgot. It's all a big conspiracy. Is government and NPO funded research also part of this conspiracy?
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PostPosted: Sat, 16th Apr 2016 15:53    Post subject:
It's not about the pharma industry not wanting to heal people, but when people are able to grow their own medicine in their gardens, they're out of business. Cannabis is still just a weed, and can grow even in harsh circumstances.
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PostPosted: Sat, 16th Apr 2016 16:36    Post subject:
farne wrote:
Mister_s wrote:
Do you really think pharmaceutical companies wouldn't be all over this if it already "healed thousands of cases of terminal cancer"?


You don't seem to understand how Big Pharma works.


In all honesty I could say the same about you. I actually worked for a big pharma company and I wouldn't claim I'd understand them. What you are doing is using the same old American stereotype of the pharma industry. There are quite a bunch doing very good work out there so to just slag them all of as greedy or that money is their only motivation is a bit much for me.

And yeah people can grow weed in their backyard, but I highly doubt it will have the same grade and properties that pharmaceuticals would come out with.


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Phil2003




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PostPosted: Sat, 16th Apr 2016 21:31    Post subject:
As far as i have read, pharmaindustries tried, but couldnt get a patent on it... so they dropped it.
But i dont have a source for that.

Morphineus, all these benefits are proven by users. And although thats not scientific in any way, who cares?
A bottle from dutchnaturalhealing.com (after all research, they seem to have one of the best products) is about € 33,- with shipping costs within europe... affordable, id say.
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Morphineus
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PostPosted: Sat, 16th Apr 2016 22:08    Post subject:
Well I said there were benefits and there is research on it. My point was more that in the way you brought it forth was like the quacks did with their tonics and oils. Quite overselling some parts.

As to the who cares its scientific... that is just the worst kind of attitude one can have. It's on the same level of defence the"vaccines cause autism' people use. I rather have less of that attitude seeing how this world is going with their social media facts/education.


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dangerouseddy




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PostPosted: Sat, 16th Apr 2016 22:31    Post subject:
I thought there was synthetic cbd.

so the dutch natural healing stuff does it have a guaranteed active ingredient strength or is it variable?


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Phil2003




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PostPosted: Sat, 16th Apr 2016 23:22    Post subject:
Morphineus wrote:
Well I said there were benefits and there is research on it. My point was more that in the way you brought it forth was like the quacks did with their tonics and oils. Quite overselling some parts.


Ok, maybe i have advertised it a bit too much. I was just a bit stunned how potent this stuff is and how few people know about it.

dangerouseddy wrote:
I thought there was synthetic cbd.

so the dutch natural healing stuff does it have a guaranteed active ingredient strength or is it variable?


There is actually synthetic cbd... though its hard to find a doc who´s prescribing that stuff in most countrys. Isreal has 25.000 medical cannabis users, in comparison...

As far as i have read (long term buyers), the stuff from the dutch shop has steady ingridients. I just ordered one myself, should arrive in a few days.
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PostPosted: Sun, 17th Apr 2016 03:57    Post subject:
farne wrote:


You don't seem to understand how Big Pharma works.


I never understood it either until I watched this...

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PostPosted: Sun, 17th Apr 2016 04:10    Post subject:
There's already a lot of research going on regarding various cannabinoids. There are several medicines available, among others an inhaler to treat (but not cure) symptoms in MS patients.


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Phil2003




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PostPosted: Sun, 17th Apr 2016 09:43    Post subject:
Thank god there are games like this, now im ready to start my own big pharma concern Laughing
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Great game, even the haxxed version gets legit updates Razz


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PostPosted: Sun, 17th Apr 2016 18:58    Post subject:
"Weed kills cancer'. That's what you get when stoners glance at fox news headlines and rush to FB to spread the awareness.

Sure it does mate. It inhibits the spread of a couple of cancer cells that were frozen for years and injected in rats, which were given pure thc solution. That's how the majority of research studies go.

Milions of people have cancer, scores of them tried weed, but you will only hear about the couple that went into remission or managed to stop spread of the cancer cells. Weed cures cancer!

I guess that's my pet peeve Laughing
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Phil2003




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PostPosted: Sun, 17th Apr 2016 20:11    Post subject:
Yes theres not much research, but im in fb groups with cancer affected people and you can read their storys all over the net. Its not a miracle cure, but it "can" work...
so instead of making it seem ridicule, which you have absolutely no scientific reason to do so, why not spread the word, so people have the chance to actually try it for themselves?

Its not like its my business or something. I just dont need scientific research for something, if it actually helps.
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PostPosted: Sun, 17th Apr 2016 21:48    Post subject:
Phil2003 wrote:
Yes theres not much research, but im in fb groups with cancer affected people and you can read their storys all over the net. Its not a miracle cure, but it "can" work...
so instead of making it seem ridicule, which you have absolutely no scientific reason to do so, why not spread the word, so people have the chance to actually try it for themselves?

Its not like its my business or something. I just dont need scientific research for something, if it actually helps.


Phill did you manage to send out that last shipment this evening? I saw you were pruning them earlier today.

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Phil2003




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PostPosted: Sun, 17th Apr 2016 21:55    Post subject:
moosenoodles wrote:


Phill did you manage to send out that last shipment this evening? I saw you were pruning them earlier today.

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Hahaha shhhh!! Very Happy
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PostPosted: Sun, 17th Apr 2016 22:07    Post subject:
Only reason its getting so much traction is using any weed related word in a medical context, is like saying 'want food?' to a dog.
Put a news title "New chemical compound found to possibly help with a variety of medical conditions" and no one would care other than those it might help.
BUT
Put a news title of "New cannabinoid found to found to possibly help with a variety of medical conditions" and people go:
"Weed? did I hear the word weed? Im sure that has to do with weed, weed cures everything, we got to get the word out!".

Im sure cannabinoid/weed does have some medical uses beyond a few we already know. But its the snake oil of our time.

I know people that claim:
If Im not hungry it makes me hungry.
If Im Hungry it suppresses my appetite.
If I cant sleep it makes me sleepy.
If Im Sleepy it mellows me out and keeps me awake.
It cures cancer, rickets, leprosy, bad marriages, car wrecks, world hunger and whatever else you can think of.

Think of it this way, if they didn't let you know it was a cannabinoid, or it was something else totally like:
"Case studies show that a hydrofliudic suspension of Tetrachloromethane and Calcium hexametaphosphate has shown in preliminary trials to have promise in the medical industry pertaining to cancer, as well as other areas."

No one one blink an eye, but put anything related to weed into it (including any general cannabinoid of any nature) and people flock to "Its the new wonder drug of the century!".
It may or may not do what people say, but to have false hope just because you enjoy its brain altering cousin is a BIT biased.

And to say "X cures cancer" is like is saying "X cures viruses". There is SO many types of unrelated to each other cancers its a bit of a broad stretch to say one thing cures it. there was a SMBC comic making fun of that very idea.

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And if it cures it, how does smoking lots of weed give you lung cancer? Wouldn't it kill it as it made it? Or does it only kill cancer it didnt cause?


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