I dont start posts often, but this actually bugged me. People on youtube upset and literally crying tears on camera how their channel lost its ability to make money over some misuse of copyright claims, and they dont know how they will have a living income now.
Granted a lot of it is legitimate copyright misuse and such of people trying to fuck other people over.
But still, it was a TOTALLY FREE service, that cost you not ONE dime to use, to make craploads of money.
I think its more "I uploaded shit to your servers, of my own free will, now you owe me something because I did that!"
You dont want that to happen, START YOUR OWN BUSINESS around your shit. Don't use someone elses free to use web portal, and then complain how you have no real control of if you have access to it, and of the process and procedures and the hoops to jump thru to get it back up.
You couldn't run a business on an angelfire page, and then get all up in arms that the site you used removed your page and your business is suffering for it. Why is youtube any different? Seriously. I mean I could see if you bought your youtube account, and it was verified as a business level account and you legally owned it. But youtube isnt that. Its a fucking video upload site that only thing they 'owe' you is that they dont claim the content is their property.
I personally dont think the term 'professional youtuber' is a thing. Its fake title that means jack all. If it is, then I'm a professional chrome browser content consumer. Because I use its free web stuff it to do things.
I guess my issue is, can someone explain what right that have to bitch? They didn't pay for the youtube account, they didn't pay for the right to use youtube. They have no say in what youtube does with their servers as they dont own any of them...
its equal to someone deciding to make a free to ride bus that goes around town, and anyone can ride it.
And when they shut it down, or telling you that you cant ride it anymore, raising hell that your income is in jeopardy because you used it to get to work for 4 years to make money and demand that they fix the bus system so you can still mooch a ride off it.
What reason do you have for that? None, they dont 'owe' you a ride. You paid them nothing to use it, and it cost you not one dime.
To sum up, dont get your panties in a wad when the publicly free service for everyone to use gets fucked up and you backed YOURSELF into a corner by relying on it for your income instead of taking that money and making your own fucking business around your 'content'.
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-Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times. -G. Michael Hopf
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Why do you even care about those people? Do you watch those kind of channels where it happens?
Those things i can only imagine from some VLOG channel. And i don't watch that crap. Only if it's some hot babe so i can fap to her unpacking her new clothes or cosmetics or whatever.
Or a better example of how I see this, and how I see youtube:
Your friend buys a remote rack box for a webserver, and tells you
Friend:
"I'll do you a favor, upload your shit to my box if ya want, and promote it for people to see. I wont charge you anything, just doing you a favor."
You: "Cool thanks!"
One day your friend goes
Friend:
"I got to remove your videos, I got people saying its their content, and I dont want the hassle, sorry man but can't help ya out anymore".
You:
"OMG WTF!! you OWE me that space! and the right to use your webserver! That was my source of income!"
Friend:
"What? you was basing your ability to live on my webserver I was letting you use as a favor?"
You:
"YES!! now what am I going to do??"
Friend:"
You made like $500k during that time, why didnt you buy your own and start a business?"
You:
"That's a lot of work! and paperwork, and things to actually do! It was easy to just use Premiere and edit a video and ftp it to you for my living wage! NOW FIX IT!"
-We don't control what happens to us in life, but we control how we respond to what happens in life.
-Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times. -G. Michael Hopf
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Why do you even care about those people? Do you watch those kind of channels where it happens?
Those things i can only imagine from some VLOG channel. And i don't watch that crap. Only if it's some hot babe so i can fap to her unpacking her new clothes or cosmetics or whatever.
Most the channels I watch dont rely on youtube anymore as its sole income. They was smart enough to branch out into an actual business with youtube just as a part of it now.
Only reason I care, is it annoys me as its seem its part of that "privileged generation" people whining something that was free they was stupid enough to make it their 'job' on it far beyond the point of being able to take the income to make their own legitimate business doing it, and now raising hell at youtube that its somehow youtubes fault they might be homeless.
And its leaking into the channels I do like like GradeAunderA, and vsauce, and smatereveryday..granted its only a video here and there talking about this stuff..But still can't get away from it.
-We don't control what happens to us in life, but we control how we respond to what happens in life.
-Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times. -G. Michael Hopf
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I think the grievances lie in that some random 3rd party can come in and start swiping the $$$ for the content that you created. Apparently it's really easy and is getting abused quite a lot, not only that this 3rd party doesn't even get any repercussions so they can keep doing it.
I don't care about the youtubers money, I care about it being a scumbag thing to do.
I think the grievances lie in that some random 3rd party can come in and start swiping the $$$ for the content that you created. Apparently it's really easy and is getting abused quite a lot, not only that this 3rd party doesn't even get any repercussions so they can keep doing it.
I don't care about the youtubers money, I care about it being a scumbag thing to do.
Oh I agree, but they should be bitching about the problem of it, not the fact that they are now going to be penniless because of it.
A few of them are actually fighting the problem because of the problem. 90% of them are doing "What am I going to do now huh? What?? That was my income (cry on camera) I cant believe youtube would do this to someones living income!!!"
To me its the same as setting up a cardboard box fruit stand at the entrance to walmart selling oranges to use its popularity to get business..and when walmart closes down, or tells you to leave because of complains, blaming them for the business failing.
-We don't control what happens to us in life, but we control how we respond to what happens in life.
-Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times. -G. Michael Hopf
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Oh yea, that ones of the 5-6 channels I actually watch!
That I agree with, people should work to that that fixed!
I was complaining about the people affected by it, that acts surprised that piggybacking off a free site for your sole income, wasn't a stable controllable environment that they could be 100% sure in to live off of.
-We don't control what happens to us in life, but we control how we respond to what happens in life.
-Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times. -G. Michael Hopf
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You have to invest your own time and resources to create content regardless. it's not the 'cost' of youtube it's the cost of making content itself, and that works put in before it even leaves your machine. Where you put it isnt any of the cost other than clicking a button to upload when done.
and to make the examples the same somewhat:
Oh, sorry, you were used to getting the free cookie sample in a grocery store down the road and they dont give them out anymore? Well, fuck this whining shit... start buying cookies!
(the most applicable apples to apples) Oh, sorry, you were used to a secure job at some company as a freelance artist with no contract or employee agreement or hours and they dont need your work anymore? use the 1/2 a million dollars you made and start your own self-employed business!
Oh, sorry, you were used to free health care the doctor down the road was giving out on weekends on his days off and he stopped? Well, fuck this whining shit, be grateful he was doing it out of the kindness of his heart while he did.
I'm not disputing youtube makes money off them. I'm disputing they act like youtube owes them something, or that youtube has to be their lawyer for them. I mean what does youtube own them?
-We don't control what happens to us in life, but we control how we respond to what happens in life.
-Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times. -G. Michael Hopf
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Wait, I don't get what your problem is. Youtube shows ad's before user created content and earns money. Now if nobody would make content, then nobody would watch that and youtube wouldn't get to show any advertising and they wouldn't earn any money. The people complaining, want to have a share of the money that youtube makes by showing the ad (nobody is complaining that youtube takes a good amount of what the advertiser actually pays).
Now if there is some bullshit copyright claim, youtube still makes the money and in the worst case, gives it to someone that takes credit for your work.
So how exactly is youtube acting as non-profit here?
Either I read your posts only half assed (could be, I'm totally hungry) or your analogies are total shit.
I agree with all the above. Im not disputing that people are abusing copyright claims and being dicks about it. I think those people are scum.
But what I'm bitching about:
Is people using youtube to make a living wage and their ONLY income despite having the money from it by now to make a secure backup plan of their own,and complaining that their youtube livelihood choice wasnt as 'rock steady stable' as they wanted to pretend it was.
They are using some 3rd party, openly free service where you hand over your content to them to store on their servers for free with no guarantee it will even be saved if they dont wish it to service. Youtube has no contract with anyone about that, they could go "yep your video is 4:04 minutes long, we dont want videos of that specific length" and delete it as they wish.
They could just go "Yep, we dont like the colors on your front page. account gone". Dick move? yes..totally legally able to do it yes.
Im complaining they are totally surprised that deciding to make a living for your family based on a flaky, volatile and no commitment to you in anyway environment like that at best was a good idea. And somehow someone owes them something because of their gamble on living off a situation like that.
-We don't control what happens to us in life, but we control how we respond to what happens in life.
-Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times. -G. Michael Hopf
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Don't you realize you have a TOTAL BLACKOUT BLINDSPOT when it comes to acknowledging the slightest responsibility on YouTube themselves?
They don't.
They have no responsibility, beyond 'good intent' if that's what you mean. Good intent to do whats right if they so choose so, they have no legal responsibility to help anyone. selfishly financially perhaps as its hurting them too for money. But actual responsibility and accountability to any user at all...they have zero unless they CHOSE to want to have one.
Thats what Im asking, what responsibility/accountability do they owe anyone beyond asking them "come on man, youtube, do the good thing for us because you want to".
Or to put it this way, if taken to court over your channel being deleted, what grounds would you have to force them by a court of law to reopen it? Nadda.
You gave up ALL control if its visible to them..And that's my point, why would you base your entire income off that. A free web service you are using for expose that can be cut off legally at the whim of a google youtube employee having a bad day and going "nope you're gone", and act blindsided if it went wrong?
-We don't control what happens to us in life, but we control how we respond to what happens in life.
-Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times. -G. Michael Hopf
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Say I wanted to start a "Online translation service" where I take text and translate it using a human interpreter into any language you wanted.
I saw this forum and went "This is perfect, I'll use it. its free, I can upload the text to posts, people can paste the text they want translated into a post..Even get them to make my own subforum [channel] for it!"
(Same as going "I want to make videos! Oh here is youtube a place that lets you upload videos!")
Then down the road the admins go "We are closing your subchannel, someone claimed you are translating copyrighted work and until you resolve it yourself we will remove your business from our site"
Could I go raise hell at the admins they are cutting off my income, and its their fault that I may be homeless in a week? That they owe me my subchannel by some right? And that removing it is legally wrong? Then demand that the admins get a legal team to fight for me? And demand they reopen my subchannel until they resolve whoever claimed it on me?
This is youtube in a nutshell. And how people are treating it.
-We don't control what happens to us in life, but we control how we respond to what happens in life.
-Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times. -G. Michael Hopf
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So are you saying that using youtube as an income source is a stable and reliable way to get income with no need for any backup plan, or self expansion of your brand needed?
I R confused.
-We don't control what happens to us in life, but we control how we respond to what happens in life.
-Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times. -G. Michael Hopf
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So are you saying that using youtube as an income source is a stable and reliable way to get income with no need for any backup plan, or self expansion of your brand needed?
I R confused.
What do you care how people make their living?
Youtube should follow its own rules properly, along with fair use and copyright laws and the such. Their automated system doesn't work, they need to hire motre people.
Also, I know they are losing money with YT but I don't give a shit.
I dont care how they do.
Im saying its a bit odd to suspect a certain way you can make it is a 'This is all I will ever need until retirement' plan.
If they make $4 million a year on youtube, awesome for them! kudos! genuinely.
But to make videos to post going "on noes, that highly unstable and unpredictable way I had to make a living fell thru, who can I find to blame other than myself!" is a tad whiny and victim playing.
If your channel got shut down due to false claims, fight the fuck out of it! raise hell! get support and bring down the scum that did it.
But dont make videos whining how you cant live because you put all your eggs in someone elses basket without any safety net, for income.
-We don't control what happens to us in life, but we control how we respond to what happens in life.
-Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times. -G. Michael Hopf
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Oh me too, seems we haven't meet yet if you didn't know that..LOL Im DXWarlock nice to meet you
I think debating is in my top 3 hobbies. Now if I could just find a way to combine the other 2, and masterbate while playing games AND debating...hmm.. maybe coin a new term for it "Online Masterdebating"
-We don't control what happens to us in life, but we control how we respond to what happens in life.
-Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times. -G. Michael Hopf
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"Enlightenment is man's emergence from his self-imposed nonage. Nonage is the inability to use one's own understanding without another's guidance. This nonage is self-imposed if its cause lies not in lack of understanding but in indecision and lack of courage to use one's own mind without another's guidance. Dare to know! (Sapere aude.) "Have the courage to use your own understanding," is therefore the motto of the enlightenment."
Oh me too, seems we haven't meet yet if you didn't know that..LOL Im DXWarlock nice to meet you
I think debating is in my top 3 hobbies. Now if I could just find a way to combine the other 2, and masterbate while playing games AND debating...hmm.. maybe coin a new term for it "Online Masterdebating"
simple, get pair of those japanese vibrating undewear thingies controlled by android app, and game while its on, then use voice to text for debating on nfohump forums.
Done.
P.s you will get nowhere with Pax, he just likes to go on and on regardless
He also has a disclaimer.
I know. just bored at work and since nimerhimemm or whatever his name has been gone. No one to argue with.
(Well the other trolls that didnt get banned yet, but they just dont feel the same, its like the debating version of fart jokes from them).
-We don't control what happens to us in life, but we control how we respond to what happens in life.
-Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times. -G. Michael Hopf
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Yeah, RonRon was a special case. But his arguments were like recurring circles.
"Enlightenment is man's emergence from his self-imposed nonage. Nonage is the inability to use one's own understanding without another's guidance. This nonage is self-imposed if its cause lies not in lack of understanding but in indecision and lack of courage to use one's own mind without another's guidance. Dare to know! (Sapere aude.) "Have the courage to use your own understanding," is therefore the motto of the enlightenment."
Well, those who just bitch about 'ohh noes, how r I gonna get me monies now!" I don't care about.
As those are just not interesting to me, at all.
I'm thinking of this guy mostly.
That's some major butthurt.
"Oh noes, that nigga reacted to a video of me blablablaing for 15 minutes and all he added was seven words, he stealz moniez from my hard blablablabla work!!11"
Youtube fucktards; 20 years ago, they'd be flipping burgers or cleaning toilets. But leave it to fucking millennial tardos keep this "industry" with retards like pewdiepie becoming millionaires. Poor guys, sit all day, yap for 10 minutes, cut it into a 20 minute video and cry about the hard work that went into it oh noes. Allow me to shed a tear for the poor souls.
Remember back when YouTube was filled with content by people that actually did it as a hobby? Before the retards asked you to "rate comment subscribe?" To "let me know what you guys think in the comment section bellow"? Dear lord, what a cesspool Youtube is nowadays. I've been away from all this drama, but taking a look just reminds me why. Ugh.
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