I have enough of poor black levels on my Dell U2312hm. Its a great ips monitor but mentioned blacks and ips glow are killing me. I play a lot in dark room and ips is not ideal for this.
I could sell it rather cheaply, add a little bit and get a new 24 or 27 va monitor.
Anyone have experience with recent va or amva/+ monitors ?
Some recommendations are for example for BenQ GW2470H or Iiyama X2483HSU with the first one being super cheap.
Also, if someone from north of Poland want Dell U2312hm, ask away. Its in prime condition
Sorry to start with questions right away after me coming back but get used to it
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I tested several monitors about a year ago:
- Dell U2414H
- BenQ EW2440L
- Iiyama X2483HSU-B1
I really wanted to like the Dell one. But even after fiddling with the color adjustments for nearly 2 hours they still looked like shit (yellow tint). My monitor could have been defective, but i didn't care.
In the end i went with the Iiyama, as even on factory settings the colors were very natural and good adjusted already. The viewing angle is great too. Blacks are nearly perfect.
Still runs without problems and well worth the relative low price.
Thats good news !
It have amva+ panel right? Can YOu check if it have 4:3 aspect ratio setting like Dell does?
Also, is black really pitch black in dark environement or is it like on this video?
Because even my dell ips looks better at night.
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My display shows blacks without any glowing, when display is full in black color too.
Don't know if it has 4:3 mode. What for though?
For Max Payne and other old games. AMD control panel works like shit
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Just buy an oled display if you want true blacks. Nothing is darker than a pixel that doesn't actively emit any light
Would love that. But it doesn't cost 200$ like stuff we talk about here
Samsung phones are great in that regard but the black smear I've seen on oculus rift dk2 was horrible
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Just buy an oled display if you want true blacks. Nothing is darker than a pixel that doesn't actively emit any light
Would love that. But it doesn't cost 200$ like stuff we talk about here
not even remotely, but I read LG is trying to get the ball rolling next year. Consumer OLED monitors. LG isn't exactly trust worthy regarding schedules though
Also the first monitors will surely not cost 200$ anyway
How can one make sense of it if every manufacturer have dozen of va monitors withe each 24 and 27 sizes and all at almost the same price point !!!
Most recommended I've seen so far are bolded in the list above.
Still not sure if I will sell my Dell for decent money (or at all), so I am kinda scouting the area
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You won't be able to make a good choice without some proper reviews on those displays.
For gaming the main thing you want to be looking at will be ghosting. There are plenty of VA displays but not that many that are good for gaming, because they are not responsive enough. Most will perform worse than your current Dell and show visible trailing or, at the very least, quite apparent blurring because of it (although I hear you like that sort of a thing ).
The "overdrive" functions deal with blurring, but then you might experience overshoot, which visually can be even worse than what you get from ghosting.
Budget displays are more likely to suffer from this.
I took VA panel when i switched from 29" to a 34", IPS has way too many problems even on high end monitors these days so i just said fuck it. Here is picture how my screen looks in pitch black room + black wallpapers, this is what i call flawless panel, insane black levels (no backlight bleed or any sort of glow).
Keep in mind tho that every panel is different, you can have glow even on VA panel, its all about luck, but generally glow is nonexistant on VA (atleast on expensive panels, same cannot be said on IPS, seems that even on 1000€ monitors look like carbage).
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I was considering E790C myself, but supposedly Samsung has a more curvy 100Hz one in the works (and one can hope for "Freesync"), so I will have to wait
Would have been a nice Christmas present, tho...
Lol yeah, if focus is gaming then best to wait for the 100hz version of the curved Samsung and FreeSync or Gsync.
Or the 30'' version of the 200hz AMVA panel. But both of these are gonna be quite expensive And not expected until Q1-Q2 2016. Maybe there will be concrete announcements at CES.
Otherwise just get the iiyama or the BenQ, and they both have contrast ratios above 3300:1 while the 21:9 panels so far are only between 2000:1 and 2500:1. I don't know how good the overdrive of the BenQ is though, the iiyama is as good as it gets for the AMVA+ panels. But generally there should be little to no trailing on modern VA panels if the overdrive is good. Main problem with response times is that some sharp darkish-grey scenes tend to get darker during motion and when you stop they will reach original brightness, like this:
And due to the gamma shift the black box cannot not be perfectly uniform - it will brighten when viewed off-angle. But its still better than other panel types.
That video looks super bad but images look super great.
I think I will look around a bit more and get amva panel afterall. It's not to expensive and I will order it online, to be able to send it back in case of problems
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At least they both overclock -
I know the iiyama XB2483HSU can do up to 76hz, and one guy at overclock.net managed to get the GW2470H to 87hz he didnt post proof that there is no frameskipping though.
btw. the BenQ is 23.8'', the iiyamas are 24.0'', because the 2015 panels are slightly smaller. otherwise they are not any different though (no new improvements)
I dont care about oc. 60hz is fine.
Just want quality of black like in screenshots few posts back + minimal ghosting and lag possible for amva.
I qould go with gw2470 but it doesnt have enough reviews yet
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Well this darkening effect is weaker on the iiyama. Its noticeably less at 60hz and almost gone at 50hz.
Only at 75hz it becomes more noticeable, like in the video. But I don't even see it in ~80% of games (depends on the graphics and textures)
So the pixel overdrive on both the BenQs is definitely less effective.
So YOu say that iiyama at 60hz is a bit better? good. They both cost about the same.
I still need to sell my dell ips firstm If I will decide, because all those va videos have great black levels but other annoying shortcomings. But i think I still prefer benefit of greater blacks
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My VA panel doesn´t have any trailing/shifting or what ever its called, IPS can have it aswell, had minor shifting on my Dell U2711 back in the day, but it was so minor that it didnt bother me(my old samsung 42" VA panel HDTV had insane smearing/trailing/shifting on black scenes, it was absolutely ridiculous).
The S34E790C is also one of the fastest VA monitors, also many of the panels using the Samsung VA matrix have slightly faster dark transitions that the ones using AUO's VA matrix.
Looking forward to the 100hz version of that.
On the Ufo test the iiyama and Samsung are quite similar
You are comparing totally different budgets and type of monitors. I just want 16:9 1080p screen
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Hmm i bought a dell P2415Q 4k ( cuz it's ips and dell ) today and will get it tomorrow but i read about the glow as well, now I'm afraid I'm gonna be disappointed tomorrow. Didn't go for the 27 inch version tho. It's much space on my desk. And I'd rather have the screens of the same format for gaming if I'm in the mood for it etc. Can return it within 2 weeks tho and choose another one if i want. What monitor did you end up with btw killercrocker ?
None. Could not choose one and did not sold my dell yet
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Well too bad the HP 25xw is so hard to get in Europe.
Seems to be the only low-budget IPS with low amounts of glow and a non-grainy coating at the moment.
The 24'' 4k panels have a lot of glow, more than any other IPS panels.
Its so intense it makes the screen go reddish-orange off center
None. Could not choose one and did not sold my dell yet
I understand it's a rather difficult choice, I've been reading a couple of days before I ordered this one and now even before getting it i'm less convinced then ever
Well too bad the HP 25xw is so hard to get in Europe.
Seems to be the only low-budget IPS with low amounts of glow and a non-grainy coating at the moment.
The 24'' 4k panels have a lot of glow, more than any other IPS panels.
Its so intense it makes the screen go reddish-orange off center
I read about it but didn't know that all 24 inch 4k panels were involved
I read about it but didn't know that all 24 inch 4k panels were involved
Its pretty bad on the Dell UP2414Q, maybe it is a bit less on the P2415Q. But I believe they both use the same 23.8'' LG AH-IPS panel.
There is also a 23.6'' 4k PLS panel by Samsung used in some monitors (AOC and Samsung), not sure how that performs.
Just check it out, and if it happens to be too distracting you can probably send the monitor back.
If you use the display mainly in a bright room it should not be a problem.
I read about it but didn't know that all 24 inch 4k panels were involved
Its pretty bad on the Dell UP2414Q, maybe it is a bit less on the P2415Q. But I believe they both use the same 23.8'' LG AH-IPS panel.
There is also a 23.6'' 4k PLS panel by Samsung used in some monitors (AOC and Samsung), not sure how that performs.
Just check it out, and if it happens to be too distracting you can probably send the monitor back.
If you use the display mainly in a bright room it should not be a problem.
I just checked if they had the same panel ( the up2414q and the p2415q ) but it seems they're somewhat different ( WLED versus GB-r backlight and other techs being used ) and it's less on the p2415q. I guess you just have to be lucky as I read about people sending back lots of panels before picking up the right one.
Nope I'm using it mainly in a dark environment.
Yeah I was watching those monitors as well and I'm curious how they perform. What monitor ( 24 inch and about 500 euro ) would you advice as it seems you know a lot about it
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(no backlight bleed or any sort of glow).
