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 Posted: Thu, 14th Jan 2016 16:27 Post subject: Norwegian high school puts e-sports on the timetable |
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| Posted: Thu, 14th Jan 2016 18:58 Post subject: |
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Why the facepalms... that's wonderful news. I assume it's not mandatory but an optional subject, something you can take instead of say latin or physical exercise.
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| Posted: Thu, 14th Jan 2016 19:04 Post subject: |
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"gaming chairs and high-end PCs with Nvidia GeForce GTX 980Ti video cards".
Fuck my life. I want to be a kid again and be surrounded by computers as its finally becoming common and not 'nerd'-culture.
E-sports specifically is weird to include, but in general diverse computer courses worked into the regular school day is genius, and useful. Computers. Everywhere.
For someone not athletic or have an interest in physical sports, learning team-work and communication skills through virtual "sports"/competitive gaming is probably going to engage more students. If schools can afford to allow students a choice then all power to them.
Last edited by EternalBlueScreen on Thu, 14th Jan 2016 19:12; edited 1 time in total
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| Posted: Thu, 14th Jan 2016 19:12 Post subject: |
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While playing games is more common today, it's probably still "nerd" culture if you ask the man on the street.
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| Posted: Thu, 14th Jan 2016 19:17 Post subject: |
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| Stormwolf wrote: | | While playing games is more common today, it's probably still "nerd" culture if you ask the man on the street. |
I think you'd be surprised.
Of course its different being an old guy in this current generation, than being a younger guy. I at least feel it is far more common to categorize yourself as a "gamer" without people going "wtf".
The inclusion of more and more females in all aspects help decide what's accepted and "cool" among guys, too. You can be athletic, good looking and still play tons of games, because its not black and white any more.
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| Posted: Thu, 14th Jan 2016 19:23 Post subject: |
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| Bob Barnsen wrote: | 
They are wasting huge amounts of money for this. Most of the kids that join this, will just do it for the fun.
The school is buying equipment for ~30 people, which consists of "gaming chairs" and high end PCs with 980 Tis.
The current generation of idiotic kids should not be supported with things like this. |
Most of the great professionals in its own area, be it physics, economics, history whatever, would join that particular area because they thought it was "fun", to other ppl would be boring, nerding, etc. I think its a step forward. Today everybody plays, from the NFL, to the NBA player, to F1 or WRC driver, from the lawyer to the politician.. Maybe they dont play by OUR standards.. but i think that there are disciplines in the university that are a lot more useless per situation, like advanced maths (wich only aplies to the ppl who work with it or one or 2 times on your life, or old german language and poetry..or..).. Roll with the times baby, and as we are at it put some old game boards with real Dungeon Masters too!! 
| Epsilon wrote: | | Meanwhile the people of that generation will call those guys relics, and not move with the times when everything is auto fucking. |
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| Posted: Thu, 14th Jan 2016 19:55 Post subject: |
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Oh please, at least advanced math forces people to think. And it's a major part of the foundation of all of today's computer science. Advanced math allows students to realize whether they want to pursue a career in computer science, and helps develop skills and cognitive abilities used in a variety of vocations including software development.
On the other hand, many subjects are basically useless in the sense that they do not contribute to developing crucial skills for any profession, perhaps other than being a teacher of that particular subject (such as literature, poetry, latin and the like).
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| Posted: Thu, 14th Jan 2016 21:46 Post subject: |
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| Prandur wrote: |
On the other hand, many subjects are basically useless in the sense that they do not contribute to developing crucial skills for any profession...literature, poetry, latin... |
I'm going to have to disagree with you in that regard. Reading and learning to analyze literature is crucial in developing critical thinking skills. You read something, form a thesis regarding a point you'd like to raise regarding it, and then support your thesis. Head on over to You-Tube, click on any video, and take a gander at the comments section. THAT is what happens to civilized society when it's filled with illiterate fuckwits incapable of critically thinking. You don't want that, do you?
By the same token, learning another language other than your native one (even if the language is "dead" and no longer evolving), makes you appreciate and draw attention to the structure of your own (thereby helping you better understand it as well, albeit in a roundabout sort of fashion).
Science may get us to Mars, but the arts and philosophy help our societies coexist and communicate so that we don't extinct ourselves before we get there. One is not more important than the other.
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| Posted: Thu, 14th Jan 2016 22:00 Post subject: |
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I agree that language is very important – just as important as science. And it should definitely be taught in schools.
But literature, in the sense of requiring students to read dozens of books from the middle ages or the industrial age, is a very inefficient way of learning language or critical thought or any other useful skill, for that matter. On a similar note, requiring students to memorize, e.g., the birth date and date of death of various important authors is also completely worthless as far as the future development of students is concerned.
And as far as learning latin as a mandatory subject – why not spend the time and teach the students an actual living language instead, such as English, Spanish, German, Chinese, whatever?
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| Posted: Thu, 14th Jan 2016 23:29 Post subject: |
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| Prandur wrote: |
But literature, in the sense of requiring students to read dozens of books from the middle ages or the industrial age, is a very inefficient way of learning language or critical thought or any other useful skill, for that matter.
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You learn the evolution of the language the work was written in. More importantly, you're also given insight, through the author's words and thoughts, on the "mindset" of the era as it were. What people thought, how they thought, WHY they thought. All of this is important, although arguably not crucial, for the future. That famous quote about "those who do not remember the mistakes of the past are doom to repeat them" does hold merit.
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On a similar note, requiring students to memorize, e.g., the birth date and date of death of various important authors is also completely worthless as far as the future development of students is concerned.
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On that I agree. A general era would be enough in that regard rather than specific date of death.
| Quote: | | And as far as learning latin as a mandatory subject – why not spend the time and teach the students an actual living language instead, such as English, Spanish, German, Chinese, whatever? |
Latin is the root of many languages - so again, it goes back to garnering a better appreciation and understanding of one's own native tongue. For English, this makes sense. I'm not entirely sure what the root of Norwegian is. Would learning another, living, language be more beneficial in the long run? Probably. But I'm still hesitant to discount such an important dead language given its wide influence.
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| Posted: Fri, 15th Jan 2016 00:44 Post subject: |
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| Bob Barnsen wrote: | | They are wasting huge amounts of money for this. Most of the kids that join this, will just do it for the fun. |
It's actually more like a university or similar, and it takes some certain grades to get into that school, so not just any kid who wants to game at school can join that class.
And you need to join certain other classes to be part of it too.
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| Posted: Fri, 15th Jan 2016 01:58 Post subject: |
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I didn't know that.
But my previous point still stands nonetheless: If the school primary wants to teach things like teamwork, "strength" and "endurance", they don't need top hardware for the PCs. Or even so called overopriced gaming chairs.
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| Posted: Fri, 15th Jan 2016 03:32 Post subject: |
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norway has better prisons than most eu countries housing, so not surprising that they have first world classes as well lol.
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| Posted: Fri, 15th Jan 2016 09:37 Post subject: |
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| Bob Barnsen wrote: | I didn't know that.
But my previous point still stands nonetheless: If the school primary wants to teach things like teamwork, "strength" and "endurance", they don't need top hardware for the PCs. Or even so called overopriced gaming chairs. |
Doesnt cost the students a single cent more. They still get paid just as much as before (thats right, in norway students get paid, they dont pay).
And remember, the playing is only 5 times a week on those computers.
All the other shit (reflexes, strength, and endurance) is real life physical training.
Computers are most likely used for other shit the other 30 hours of the week. Remember, this school got some classes specialized in IT / Media / Communication etc etc.
And the kids can play(pracitce) evenings.
Some schools already had esports available for some time, but this school made it a general studies.
Countries like Sweden already had it for years.
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