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 Posted: Sat, 5th Sep 2015 14:32 Post subject: What monitor for PC and PS3/4 (IPS or TN, 60 or 144Hz) |
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Next week i'm buying PS3 and i'm also planning on buying a new monitor which will be connected to my PC with DisplayPort and with HDMI to console, so i will just switch inputs in options. Gaming and graphics editing is the main purpuse.
My rig and current monitor are in signature.
I don't want to go above 24" since later im planning to use double monitor setup. And anything above 24" would be too big since im not sitting far from monitor. And 16:9 is the only ratio i want.
My budget is cca 300€/$ (can stretch to around 350). But i just don't know what to choose :/ Since later in a few months i will be adding another one i would prefer something with the thin bezel so they fit nicely together.
I know that 144Hz is best for gaming, but since i wont be able to hit 144 fps in every game i dont know how much sense does it make to get 144Hz monitor. Also since i will be connecting consoles too and they work in 60fps, i'm afraid that it won't work out very good. Can i switch 144Hz to 60Hz in options and expect a good results? But i'm afraid that will be pain in my eyes if i switch regularly. Also, in GTA5 let's say, im getting 40-55 fps (maxed out), how good would that be on 144Hz monitor?
I was searching the forums, but couldn't find good answer on that questions. Does tearing appear if i play, let's say a console port which is locked to 30 fps on 144Hz monitor? Or it works just normal as on 60Hz minitor?
I'm confused, because everyone is always recommending 144Hz monitor for gaming,but there is no way that everyone has 980Ti or more of them for that. Even 980 is not enough for 144 fps in every game.
I was thinking of getting DELL UltraSharp U2414H, but i've read some comments that sometimes has some problems with DisplayPort, that it won't shut down or turn on... which kinda turned me off frown.gif
Is there some good alternative for another IPS in that price range? U2415 is 16:10 and i don't want that.
Or should i get some gaming monitor, but they 're TN. Like BenQ XL2420Z
Seems like a very good monitor.
I'm even looking at XL2430T, but im not sure i want to spend so much money :/ And i will have to wait a month or two more to buy it.
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| Posted: Sat, 5th Sep 2015 14:48 Post subject: |
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My advice would be whatever you buy don't buy a TN monitor unless you *really* need it for some reason.
My monitor is the U2414H but I haven't used DisplayPort (I use HDMI) so I can't help you. My problem with it is that sometimes (like let's say 70%) if I change resolution in a game (yes it happens only games) it won't display anything and I have to power it off/on for it to work again (this trick *always* works). Not a big problem as I usually have to change resolution at the most 1 time per installed game. I love it otherwise.
TWIN PEAKS is "something of a miracle."
"...like nothing else on television."
"a phenomenon."
"A tangled tale of sex, violence, power, junk food..."
"Like Nothing On Earth"
~ WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO SAY CAN ONLY BE SEEN ~
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHTUOgYNRzY
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| Posted: Sat, 5th Sep 2015 15:05 Post subject: |
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please have the following in mind: if it comes to ps4 -> you need either a soundcard with optical in or a monitor with speakers or stereo output. only way to get sound out of that thing (ok via the controller too, but the quality sucks). ps3 is no problem, you can grab the stereo audio from the multi av out and use hdmi for video (or optical out for the sound too). and 99% of all ps3 games are not in full hd, so if the monitor cant handle that scaling it would look like shit. the dell is nice btw
if you want it for gfx editing with photoshop or similar-> no tn panel please. otherwise it doenst matter that much
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| Posted: Sat, 5th Sep 2015 16:41 Post subject: |
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modern panels are good enough for gaming. and the question is if your are fine with stereo sound instead of 5.1 or whatever. and the sound output of monitor is not good too, they dont use quality dac (but better than the bluetooth crippled output via the ds4). so if possible (with the ps3) grab the sound from the multi av out and use an adapter and connect it to your linein if spdif isnt possible
his problems most likely are caused by the hdmi connection, on your pc with dp you wont have any problems. ps3 maybe could do some similar when the hdmi handshake fails on resolution change (or just set the ps3 to 720p output if you use it only for games, as i said -> only a few use full hd).
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| Posted: Sat, 5th Sep 2015 17:49 Post subject: |
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Yeah, I should really switch to DisplayPort at some point to see if this minor issue is gone. 
The reason I use HDMI is that at the time I bought it, for this monitor you needed to use HDMI and Durante's utility (or similar) to be able to switch to FULL range of colors (in DisplayPort it doesn't work). The option has since been put in the control panel of the drivers so I should be able to use DisplayPort as well.
Perhaps I'll give it a try later today if I can find the cable 
TWIN PEAKS is "something of a miracle."
"...like nothing else on television."
"a phenomenon."
"A tangled tale of sex, violence, power, junk food..."
"Like Nothing On Earth"
~ WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO SAY CAN ONLY BE SEEN ~
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHTUOgYNRzY
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| Posted: Sat, 5th Sep 2015 18:12 Post subject: |
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| Janz wrote: | the full range of colors "problem" only affected hdmi connections. dvi and dp always got the full rgb range 0-255 (hdmi limited from 16-235), but yes that got finally patched by amd and nvidia i think. ofc the tools didnt worked for dp since it wasnt necessary  |
Nope. Yes you are right DisplayPort works properly for all monitors. All but one that is. Mine. 
http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/reviews/dell_u2414h.htm
| Quote: | | IMPORTANT NOTE: Before we get into this section we need to make an important note about use of the HDMI port if you choose to use that for connectivity. The screen features a couple of options you can use, including DisplayPort and HDMI. If you have an NVIDIA graphics card and want to use the HDMI at all you need to make a change to your graphics card settings to display the optimum picture. This is because by default the output range over HDMI is limited by the graphics card, and it can greatly limit the picture quality and in particular the black range and contrast ratio. In fact when speaking to our friends over at PCmonitors.info they said they had experienced the same issue using DisplayPort on this screen. If the image looks washed out or odd, we would suggest checking the graphics card output first or trying a different connection if you can. We didn't experience any issues with the RGB output when using an AMD graphics card and DisplayPort incidentally. |
https://pcmonitors.info/reviews/dell-u2414h/
| Quote: | | When using either DisplayPort or HDMI the GPU sent out the wrong colour signal (‘Limited Range RGB 16-235’ instead of ‘Full Range RGB 0-255’). This reduced gamma, skewed white point, hugely impacted contrast and simply gave everything a washed out look. We are quite used to seeing this with Nvidia GPUs connected via HDMI as that is their default behaviour – treat the connected device as an HDTV. But we aren’t used to seeing this over DisplayPort which is currently a PC-only output. |
I did extensive research before buying it and know its quirks
TWIN PEAKS is "something of a miracle."
"...like nothing else on television."
"a phenomenon."
"A tangled tale of sex, violence, power, junk food..."
"Like Nothing On Earth"
~ WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO SAY CAN ONLY BE SEEN ~
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHTUOgYNRzY |
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| Posted: Sat, 5th Sep 2015 18:37 Post subject: |
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mh, thats strange. maybe a issue with gpus either from amd or nvidia? or its drivers? or dell fucked up? tbh thats new for me that dp does this
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| Posted: Sat, 5th Sep 2015 19:05 Post subject: |
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This is what I'm talking about. U2414H is bugged to hell with these things and only reason why I'm not feeling like buying it. A lot of people have similar problems.
So what's the alternative?
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| Posted: Sat, 5th Sep 2015 19:26 Post subject: |
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U2715H, but thats way outside of your budget. i would say get the u24 and if you have problems just return it (if thats possible in croatia)
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| Posted: Sat, 5th Sep 2015 19:37 Post subject: |
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What do Eizo's models kost in Croatia? You'll want the Foris range (models start with FS/FG). The FS ones are all 60 Hz IPS, the FG is 120 Hz VA.
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| Posted: Sat, 5th Sep 2015 20:02 Post subject: |
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the eizos are expensive (atleast the ones which are suitable for gaming too), the EV2455-BK is about ~440 euros i think. but not good for consoles cause its 16:10
tbh in the price range till 300 euros its hard to find a nice ips panel
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| Posted: Sat, 5th Sep 2015 20:21 Post subject: |
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It's not really, generally speaking. There's plenty of decent IPS monitors under €300. The problem is availability in each country.
BenQ, Viewsonic and ASUS all do a bunch. You'll still need to get an ICC profile and try to optimise the colours yourself, but plenty exist.
I'd personally opt for LG over all of these though. Just today I set up an 23MP47HQ for a relative and for €119, I can't fault that thing at all. Amazing bang for buck.
Edit: oh, and for what it's worth: fuck TN.
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| Posted: Sat, 5th Sep 2015 21:09 Post subject: |
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It's hard for me to recommend anything though, since I know prices in Croatia are quite fucked.
For example, Eizo's FG2421 (VA, 120 Hz w/ 240 Hz backlight) is "only" around €400 here. The FS2434 is just about exactly €300. The FS2434 pretty much exactly fits what you're looking for...with our prices.
See why it's hard?
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| Posted: Sat, 5th Sep 2015 21:13 Post subject: |
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fuck TN in case of some serious photo editing -> yes! otherwise tn will do the job as well (and if its about some amateur vacation pictures)
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| Posted: Sat, 5th Sep 2015 21:17 Post subject: |
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I beg to differ. I can't go back to gaming on TN.
IPS response times have been more than good enough for general gaming for years now. Keep in mind that you can't compare response times 1:1 between IPS and TN.
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| Posted: Sat, 5th Sep 2015 21:34 Post subject: |
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ofc you have a point,for example if i would use a 144hz tft on regular basis i wouldnt go back to 60hz too. its the same as tn vs ips. but in this case its a matter of money. if its not about atleast semiprofessional photoediting i would go for a 24" tn for ~150 euros, its kinda upper class for tn panel (or lets say it isnt budget) while up to 300euros for a ips panel is the budget category
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| Posted: Sun, 6th Sep 2015 00:41 Post subject: |
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DisplayPort is relevant for higher resolutions and higher refresh rates, not for 1080p60 really. Even DVI/HDMI is perfectly capable of doing that 
In all seriousness though, I know Vaifan sent me some links ago, but care to link to some shops or something? I'm sure I can find a decent IPS monitor for you.
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| Posted: Sun, 6th Sep 2015 00:58 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Sun, 6th Sep 2015 01:01 Post subject: |
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thats the korean overclock shit? would stay away from that. warranty almost not present and they make strange noises (picture quality though is great)
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| Posted: Sun, 6th Sep 2015 01:30 Post subject: |
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| Janz wrote: | | thats the korean overclock shit? would stay away from that. warranty almost not present and they make strange noises (picture quality though is great) |
Not really. They are really awesome. I have had so far experience with three different companies and they all have been great so far.
To compare, buddy of mime went through three(3) dells and one asus and out of all of those. Asus & Dell had the worst backlight bleed you could ever imagine.
If you are going to spend so much on monitor, might as well just get 1440p korean ips for $250 and call it a day. |
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| Posted: Sun, 6th Sep 2015 01:37 Post subject: |
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Not to mention that you can easily achieve 96 hz without breaking a sweat. 120 hz if you have some luck. And if you're half-decent at communicating, you can ask them to make sure there's no -major- issues with the monitor before they ship it to you.
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| Posted: Sun, 6th Sep 2015 11:44 Post subject: |
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| Janz wrote: | | 1440p with 144hz should even work with dual link dvi just fine |
Nope.
2560 * 1440 * 24 * 120 = 10,616,832,000 bit/s, just over 10 Gbit/s.
- (1999) DVI-DL: 7.92 Gbit/s.
- (2009) HDMI 1.4a: 8.16 Gbit/s
- (2013) HDMI 2.0: 14.4 Gbit/s.
- (2007) DP 1.1: 8.64 Gbit/s
- (2009) DP 1.2: 17.28 Gbit/s.
- (2014) DP 1.3: 25.92 Gbit/s.
DVI is too old and HDMI is just shit. 1440p120 is only possible on DP 1.2a+ or HDMI 2.0+. And 1440p144 only *just* fits in the HDMI 2.0 limits.
| Quote: | | and im would prefer dvi, i do not like new stuff |
That's your problem then. As I showed above, DVI is outdated and HDMI is just a crappy standard. It's "enough" for TV use, but even 2.0 is very limited in what it can do, there is absolutely no vision and it sure as hell is not "future proof" as a standard. For example, 3840x2160 at 120 Hz is not even possible at 60 Hz per eye: 3840 * 2160 * 24 * 120 = 23,887,872,000 bit/s. And that does matter, because GPUs will be able to render that long before HDMI gets updated again.
I've said it before, but DisplayPort is superior to HDMI and DVI in every way. It does everything HDMI does and then some. Never mind the fact that DP is not limited to just video and audio or all the other features DP has (such as Adaptive Sync, to name one you've heard of). The only reason it hasn't replaced HDMI everywhere is marketing, because it's cheaper to implement too. HDMI has just become too common of a name to be ignored now. |
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| Posted: Fri, 16th Oct 2015 19:21 Post subject: |
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TN -> don't buy unless you *really* need it.
TWIN PEAKS is "something of a miracle."
"...like nothing else on television."
"a phenomenon."
"A tangled tale of sex, violence, power, junk food..."
"Like Nothing On Earth"
~ WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO SAY CAN ONLY BE SEEN ~
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHTUOgYNRzY
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or lets say dp wouldnt give you an advantage over dvi
