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Przepraszam
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| Posted: Tue, 1st Sep 2015 03:01 Post subject: |
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| Przepraszam wrote: | | What do you guys think? Am I retarded enough? |
| Quote: | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814999039
MSI GAMING SLI BRIDGE |
For buying an expensive "gaming" SLi bridge? Yes. Yes you are.
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Przepraszam
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| Posted: Tue, 1st Sep 2015 03:03 Post subject: |
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@sabin1981
Hey! It matches the rest of the case....Only reason I got it. :O
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Przepraszam
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| Posted: Tue, 1st Sep 2015 03:05 Post subject: |
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| Interinactive wrote: | I wish I had those prices :/
CPU alone is $200 cheaper |
Ouch...Really? That's terrible.  |
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Przepraszam
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| Posted: Tue, 1st Sep 2015 03:10 Post subject: |
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One of the reasons I went with window panel on my case. After my motherboard caught on fire last time. I kinda want to see at random times what is going in my case.
Plus it supports plenty of radiators and fans. Looks like slick cable management. Hopefully, I will get everything by Friday to assemble!
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| Posted: Tue, 1st Sep 2015 03:50 Post subject: |
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| Przepraszam wrote: | One of the reasons I went with window panel on my case. After my motherboard caught on fire last time. I kinda want to see at random times what is going in my case.
Plus it supports plenty of radiators and fans. Looks like slick cable management. Hopefully, I will get everything by Friday to assemble! |
Dunno if they still have the issue but in the last couple years MSI were known to catch on fire. OCN is full of articles of VRMs going up in flames, pretty much why I refuse to use them outside they love using that stupid Killer NIC on their boards which require retarded drivers and a really obnoxious interface.
Also I would be more inclined to order from Amazon even if you do have to pay a few bucks more. Newegg's support isn't what it used to. THey've gotten notorious for making you pay shipping of DOA products as well as a 15% restocking fee on anything DOA (even happened to me which I stopped using them for.)
You have issues, Amazon is going to pay for your shipping and isn't going to make you jump through hoops.
If you were buying a couple smaller things from newegg, whatever, but you're about to drop some serious cash and having Amazon's support there will def be worth the few extra bucks paid. |
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Przepraszam
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| Posted: Tue, 1st Sep 2015 04:03 Post subject: |
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Actually if you follow anything related to haswell-e you will realize that Asus is the one who fucks up the cpu chip. Just read overclock.net//// plenty of threads where their "oc socket" just kills the cpu for no reason.
Not sure if you read my thread couples weeks ago and my Asus z97 actually caught on fire!!! So I have experienced the fire first hand and it wasn't pretty.
Plus if you have newegg premier, there is no restocking fee and free returns.
Msi has one of the better boards for X99 and Z170 generation. But that's my general opinion from reading about them.
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| Posted: Tue, 1st Sep 2015 04:55 Post subject: |
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Asus has been a joke for years. Only reason they have their reputation is for their overclocking on higher end boards but that's if you can even get a god damn board that'll work out of the box, and stay working.
Weird how boards work on the different sides of the fence. Gigabyte is one of the most popular for AMD next to Asrock (my 2nd favorite) but it seems Gigabyte has a lot of issues on Intel.
I'm switching to Intel here shortly and the amount of chipsets and boards is fucking overwhelming lol.
I did use an MSI board at the beginning of the year for a co-worker cause it fit the budget. One thing I will give them, they know how to design a fucking BIOS. That shit was really well done. He hasn't had any issues. I think the MSI fires were an older thing. They seem to be stepping up their game.
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| Posted: Tue, 1st Sep 2015 06:25 Post subject: |
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Go for it.
And you actually have more of a reason to get one of those xunning side panel cases now, being able to spot a fire definitely trumps having better EM shielding 
| boundle (thoughts on cracking AITD) wrote: | | i guess thouth if without a legit key the installation was rolling back we are all fucking then |
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| Posted: Tue, 1st Sep 2015 09:49 Post subject: |
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Reason why I went with 5930K is because of 40 lanes. I have been reading from what little rumours are there about pascal and it might looks like it will benefit from running SLI at x16....plus I need 4 lanes for the SSD...
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ixigia
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| Posted: Wed, 2nd Sep 2015 00:48 Post subject: |
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Haha shiiiieeet that's some serious stuff. Well done! 
I'd be scared to even touch that monster of a PC because with all that horsepower it could bite back, spit flames like a dragon and become Skynet at the same time xD
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| Posted: Wed, 2nd Sep 2015 01:31 Post subject: |
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OMG I want that SLI bridge!
And did SpykeZ really just say he will be using Intel chips?
Ryzen 5 5600, ASUS ROG STRIX B550-F GAMING WIFI II, Corsair Vengeance RGB RT 32GB 3600MHz C16, MSI RTX 5070 Ti Ventus 3X OC , Corsair RMx Series RM750x. AOC AGON AG324UX - 4K 144Hz 1ms
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| Posted: Wed, 2nd Sep 2015 01:56 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Wed, 2nd Sep 2015 03:46 Post subject: |
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| Newty182 wrote: |
And did SpykeZ really just say he will be using Intel chips? |
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| Posted: Wed, 2nd Sep 2015 11:53 Post subject: |
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| SpykeZ wrote: | | Dunno if they still have the issue but in the last couple years MSI were known to catch on fire. OCN is full of articles of VRMs going up in flames, pretty much why I refuse to use them outside they love using that stupid Killer NIC on their boards which require retarded drivers and a really obnoxious interface. |
You can just do a simple driver install and skip the shitty interface. That's what I did.
As for VRM fires? On a Z87-GD65 now, P55-GD65 before this and before that I had another MSI board with my E8400; also got an el-cheapo MSI board in my storage box. No problems on any of these. The E8400 board is still going (as is the 5870 and E8400 itself ).
| Przepraszam wrote: | | Reason why I went with 5930K is because of 40 lanes. I have been reading from what little rumours are there about pascal and it might looks like it will benefit from running SLI at x16....plus I need 4 lanes for the SSD... |
While I understand the reasoning, basing it on the "rumours" is absolute horse shit. Those those rumours are nothing more than people talking from their asses. GP100 had its first tape out just a couple of months ago, no one can say shit about its performance or whether it will make use of PCI-e 3.0 x16.
However, the GPUs themselves are completely irrelevant in this topic, as I shall now demonstrate.
Hmm, that does nothing.
Yeah, no.
You can still run current GPUs on PCI 1.1 x16 and barely lose 5% performance. You can two of them in tandem and like the example above shows, you lose 8%. And with 2.0 x16 it's 3%. At framerates of 160 FPS that means comes out to 5 FPS. At 120 that's 3.5 FPS. At 60 it's less than 2.
But wait, I'm not done. GPUs won't make PCIe 3.0 relevant. Nor will resolution. Framerate does matter; at higher framerates newer versions are beneficial (mostly due to latency though, not bandwidth...1440p120 still fits within 2.0x16/3.0x8 just fine), but it's still hardly a noteworthy hit. What will make it relevant then? Games.
What's the difference between Wolfenstein and Crysis? Crysis is the prettier game right, better textures and everything? Yep. But Wolfenstein continuously streams data. That's what'll make PCIe relevant. As crap as MegaTexture's implementation is, this is exactly what'll (hopefully) happen in the near future.
MegaTexture and UE's texture streaming right now work like shit because GPUs have to switch between rendering and loading tasks; so while it's loading, it's not rendering. In DX12 that's a thing of the past because of Async Compute / Copy (data can now be loaded whilst still rendering). And moreover, DX12 has Tiled Resources, which is MegaTexture done properly (and better). Even though PCI is technically 100% duplex, with how most stuff works right now, they are used almost as if they were simplex (most of the time, data is only flowing in or out). DX12 will change that and bandwidth will actually start to matter again.
TL;DR fuck the rumours, anyone saying Pascal will make use of PCIe 3.0 x16 hasn't got a clue what they're talking about. A GPU can't do that.
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| Posted: Wed, 2nd Sep 2015 13:46 Post subject: |
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Thanks for the info Paul, always a pleasure! What about newer SSD technology, like m.2, utilising PCI-E lanes of the proc? How does that affect a GPU's performance/lane availability, or does it at all?
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| Posted: Wed, 2nd Sep 2015 14:13 Post subject: |
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It affects how many lanes you have available obviously (although this still differs per board + CPU combination). The effect on performance depends on your CPU. For a 40-lane CPU like the above, performance won't be affected at least for dual GPU setups (that's 32 lanes, leaving 8 free). With Tri-SLI I suspect it'll do 16/8/8 rather than 16/16/8. On a lesser CPU with 28 lanes, dual-GPU will do 16/8 (leaving the necessary 4). So in theory, performance is affected only when you go over MAX_PCI_LANES - 4.
The thing is that under DX12, in such cases the games/engines that can actually satisfy such bandwidth requirements will likely also support explicit multi-adapter (where developers tell each GPU exactly what to do) and not actually need the full bandwidth on each slot anyway. With implicit (basically what we have now) it'll still mirror the data on all GPUs so you _might_ get close to saturating that bandwidth.
In practice, I doubt it's going to matter any time soon. Latency will still be the bottleneck before bandwidth in most cases.
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