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kalato
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 Posted: Thu, 30th Jul 2015 14:14 Post subject: 16GB or 8GB DDR4? |
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Hi all,
My friend is upgrading and he said what is the best 16GB or 8GB DDR4, he plays games but doesn't do anything else like video editing etc.
Thanks!
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kalato
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| Posted: Thu, 30th Jul 2015 14:16 Post subject: |
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Is there going to be a lot of difference via gaming?
I like bum.
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| Posted: Thu, 30th Jul 2015 14:16 Post subject: |
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What freiwald said.
Your friend will be just fine with 8GB but it's not a bad idea to get 16GB if he has the money for it.
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| Posted: Thu, 30th Jul 2015 14:28 Post subject: |
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16GB is recommended, and it's not that expensive
there are games that at max details 1080p eat up 6GB+ of RAM, and when Windows has eaten the other 2... you will see excessive paging
also with 16GB you can remove the page file alltogether 
| Lutzifer wrote: | | and yes, mine is only average |
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| Posted: Thu, 30th Jul 2015 14:40 Post subject: |
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8GB is enough for gaming these days, and will be in the future. 16gb is only usefull if program for videoencoding are used or huge raw images are beeing processed on that machine or vms are used. otherwise its a waste of money to get more than 8gb
and dont deactivate the pagefile,NEVER!
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| Posted: Thu, 30th Jul 2015 14:54 Post subject: |
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Batman Arkham Knight, which was released a month ago, uses 6GB+ of RAM memory when playing at 1080p
that means 8GB is barely enough for gaming these days 
not to mention GTA5, Fallout4...
| Lutzifer wrote: | | and yes, mine is only average |
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| Posted: Thu, 30th Jul 2015 14:57 Post subject: |
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batman doesnt count cause its still a mess! gta5 used much ram if its available yes because of a memory leak, but it doesnt make a performance difference between 8 and 16 gb. after they patched it usage was always about ~3gb even if more was available. so 16gig is useless in that case, and fallout4? srsly? its not even released and you dont know shit about its performance/requirements
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| Posted: Thu, 30th Jul 2015 15:45 Post subject: |
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| Lutzifer wrote: | | and yes, mine is only average |
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russ80
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| Posted: Thu, 30th Jul 2015 16:38 Post subject: |
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What does the resolution have to do with RAM usage? RAM =! VRAM.
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| Posted: Thu, 30th Jul 2015 16:55 Post subject: |
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I'm not sure, I gave it as an example of what I encountered while playing at 1080p.
| Lutzifer wrote: | | and yes, mine is only average |
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tonizito
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| Posted: Thu, 30th Jul 2015 18:27 Post subject: |
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Using Arkham Knight as an example... are you serious? 
At least elaborate on those GTAV and Fallout 4(???) claims, but AK, come on...
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| Posted: Thu, 30th Jul 2015 18:37 Post subject: |
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@russ: +1
RAM usage does not scale with the resolution
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couleur
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| Posted: Thu, 30th Jul 2015 20:53 Post subject: |
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if he can spend the ~80 euros more for extra 8gb yes why not. but if he has to watch his money 8gb are enough
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| Posted: Thu, 30th Jul 2015 21:24 Post subject: |
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Tell him to spend the money on another component.
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| Posted: Thu, 30th Jul 2015 21:38 Post subject: |
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16GB recommended. 8GB is bare minimum for gaming/advanced user PC.
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Stige
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| Posted: Thu, 30th Jul 2015 23:02 Post subject: |
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Spending the 80€ on a better GPU is much better investment than wasting money on 16GB of RAM for gaming.
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mtj
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| Posted: Fri, 31st Jul 2015 10:35 Post subject: |
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No-one here multitasks?
I'm usually running a game, browser with a netflix and another browser with few dozen pages open automatically refreshing...
The browsers alone take a few gigabytes of ram.
Intel Core I-9 9900K @ stock, ASUS Z 390A MoBo, 32GB 3.6GHz, Zotac 3090 | BeQuiet 1000W PSU, Be Quiet Dark Base Pro 900 case, 49" Samsung G9
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| Posted: Fri, 31st Jul 2015 13:32 Post subject: |
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my Chrome regularly takes 2-4GB of memory
| Lutzifer wrote: | | and yes, mine is only average |
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| Posted: Sat, 1st Aug 2015 10:13 Post subject: |
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| mtj wrote: | No-one here multitasks?
I'm usually running a game, browser with a netflix and another browser with few dozen pages open automatically refreshing...
The browsers alone take a few gigabytes of ram. |
yeah, if you keep bloat browsers open while gaming, then 8 gb is not enough.
For a gaming oriented rig with a non bloated OS setup it's still enough.
my win7 64 install uses up 750ish MB of ram by itself, so the 7GB ram left is plenty for gaming purposes.
So far the most demanding game ram wise for me has been AC unity, using up 4.1GB ram.
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kalato
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| Posted: Mon, 3rd Aug 2015 15:36 Post subject: |
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Thanks all, after the mixed comments he decided to go with 16gb of ram. He's been trying to overclock the cpu but everything he does it doesn't want to overclock, he has a gigabyte x99 sli and every time he trys to get into the bios he gets a black screen, he found out after searching Google that his Samsung 120gb pro isn't capatiable with the motherboard so once he unplugs it he can get into the bios fine. He has a 5820k, what's the best vcore and ghz should he choose? I know it's different on some systems. Thanks
I like bum.
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Sin317
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| Posted: Mon, 3rd Aug 2015 15:41 Post subject: |
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i think they really fixed/overworked the page file in windows 10.
I have 16gb or ram and the pagefile is "recommended 2936 MB" and "currently allocated 2944 MB"
which is quite different from the huge amounts it used to allocate before in earlier windows.
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| Posted: Mon, 3rd Aug 2015 15:42 Post subject: |
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seen that too on my sidebar gagdet, only 2gb and barely used
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| Posted: Mon, 3rd Aug 2015 15:56 Post subject: |
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| kalato wrote: | | Thanks all, after the mixed comments he decided to go with 16gb of ram. He's been trying to overclock the cpu but everything he does it doesn't want to overclock, he has a gigabyte x99 sli and every time he trys to get into the bios he gets a black screen, he found out after searching Google that his Samsung 120gb pro isn't capatiable with the motherboard so once he unplugs it he can get into the bios fine. He has a 5820k, what's the best vcore and ghz should he choose? I know it's different on some systems. Thanks |
has he tried updating the MB's BIOS?
120evo not compatible with mobo LOL
| Lutzifer wrote: | | and yes, mine is only average |
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kalato
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| Posted: Mon, 3rd Aug 2015 15:59 Post subject: |
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He has, still no joy lol
I like bum.
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Stige
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| Posted: Mon, 3rd Aug 2015 16:18 Post subject: |
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Seems like bs, SSD not being compatible with a mobo lol
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| Posted: Mon, 3rd Aug 2015 16:23 Post subject: |
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Is it just the BIOS that freezes when the SSD is connected?
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