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 Posted: Sat, 8th Aug 2015 02:42 Post subject: Listen Microcrap! |
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If I wanted to update any of my drivers, I'm more than capable of doing so myself.
Now, despite me blocking you from doing so, I turn on my system to see that you have updated my Nvidia drivers to version 353.62. Of course, I already have that version installed, yes 353.62, and I also well know that there is a small fix in this driver, should one wish to install it, but I didn't wish to do so.
I also didn't ask for the '3D Vision' shit related from driver set installed either, primarily, because I don't have a 3D monitor, and also because I never install that shit with the driver set anyway.
I also never install the 'Nvidia update' nonsense either, but you insist that I have it anyway.
Why??, when you decide what Nvidia updates I get regardless?
FUCK YOU!
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| Posted: Sat, 8th Aug 2015 02:47 Post subject: |
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I'm pretty sure this is supposed to go into the bitching session...
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Epsilon
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| Posted: Sat, 8th Aug 2015 05:11 Post subject: |
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One of the many benefits of Windows 10. Some of the toggles and buttons don't actually do anything! you turn something off, restart the machine, and it's back on again. A gerd jerb!
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| Posted: Sat, 8th Aug 2015 06:45 Post subject: |
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I think its because they're fed up of people complaining to them, when in fact it was just a matter of outdated drivers or whatnot. So yeah, they're force feeding it to eliminate a possibility of outdated drivers?
Its the same with Windows Defender, the anti virus...
We can only 'temporarily' disable it. If it is off for "too long", Windows will automatically re-enable it.
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| Posted: Sat, 8th Aug 2015 09:54 Post subject: |
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Revert back to older OS. I did return to my good old Win7 image. Win 10 really takes too much control from you, I can't see it succeed in enterprise environment like that, when even some group policy entries don't work (I tried Enterprise LTSB). Even if one would ignore this privacy intrusion issue with Win10, it would still be piece of shit "operating system" currently, to be honest.
Windows 10: Two steps forward, 10 steps back.
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| Posted: Sat, 8th Aug 2015 16:09 Post subject: |
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Being stuck on (soon to be) outdated OS isn't really going forward either. At the very least upgrade to 8.1 and tweak that a little. You'll still have everything Windows 7 has but better 
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| Posted: Sat, 8th Aug 2015 21:29 Post subject: |
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Well the theme is something personal indeed, I for one am happy with the solid black style I could do. Suits the rest of my hardware perfectly, especially not happy with the new Windows 10 excessive white in windows 
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| Posted: Sat, 8th Aug 2015 21:40 Post subject: |
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8.1 is still a shitty socialized windows... so if I have to chose I'll gladly stay on 7 for the time being. 
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| Posted: Sat, 8th Aug 2015 22:18 Post subject: |
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Yeah, not seeing any incentive for wasting precious time that could be spent gaming, on adapting to a new OS yet.
So I will be staying on win7 for the foreseeable future.
I am kinda bummed though. I expected more from win10.
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| Posted: Sat, 8th Aug 2015 22:24 Post subject: |
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Aye, thought it would sway me over more... but so far all I'm thinking is: urgh, please let me stay away as long as possible from it.
A lot can be tweaked/changed in a year tho, just that I have not much confidence in them doing so. Seeing how they did 8 and 8.1.
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| Posted: Sat, 8th Aug 2015 22:41 Post subject: |
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windows 7 is too slow and also too ugly. windows 8.1 is good, but the startmenu and all that store and apps shit, is too much. just use the enterpirse ltsb edition and deactivate that spying stuff and you are good to go.
but i agree! this "you need to update stuff" went way to far and they have to do something about it because so many people got problems. (even with the hide tool provided by ms) it will take months but they will patch something in to change or stop those hardware drivers.
don't know why they haven't done this before. i mean so many people used windows insider program? didn't they say something about this?
for me it's the same with via hd audio drivers...
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| Posted: Sat, 8th Aug 2015 22:43 Post subject: |
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Ok, now you guys are scaring me a bit... thought 10 at least was worth upgrading over winplaymobil 8 but now you're going back to 7?
| boundle (thoughts on cracking AITD) wrote: | | i guess thouth if without a legit key the installation was rolling back we are all fucking then |
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| Posted: Sat, 8th Aug 2015 22:58 Post subject: |
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For now, yes. It's nowhere near ready for daily usage for me personally. We'll see what MSFT cook up in upcoming months. I hope most bugs (if they are bugs, that is - most notaby the non-working system settings and group policies). But even then I will be weary of this spy stuff. People think they can block it with some script, maybe, but this is Microsoft they can easily just deploy an update and continue with spying.
I was looking forward to Win10, but in my opinion it's much bigger fail than Win8 ever was - so far.
| freiwald wrote: | but i agree! this "you need to update stuff" went way to far and they have to do something about it because so many people got problems. (even with the hide tool provided by ms) it will take months but they will patch something in to change or stop those hardware drivers.
don't know why they haven't done this before. i mean so many people used windows insider program? didn't they say something about this? |
There is setting in Win10 to disable installing drivers through WUA as described here . Thing is, it worked in preview builds, but apparently it miraculously broke in one of the recent builds and now it doesn't work on the GA build either (10240). Coincidence?
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| Posted: Sat, 8th Aug 2015 23:00 Post subject: |
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| freiwald wrote: | | windows 7 is too slow |
not my win 7 installs.
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| Posted: Sat, 8th Aug 2015 23:05 Post subject: |
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Nor on mine, and actually Witcher 3 (1.04) actually feels snappier than on Win10 for me. But I guess that's placebo. Thing is, it's definitely not slower. I don't know about other games, W3 currently occupy all my leisure time.
Other than that I only noticed the new Illustrator CC 2015 does support GPU acceleration on AMD cards on Windows 8+ only. BUt I don't use Illustrator that often, so I don't mind that.
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| Posted: Sat, 8th Aug 2015 23:12 Post subject: |
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Outside of frostbye engine 3, so far i'm not aware of anything suffering from lower performance on win 7. when it starts happening and when actual dx 12 games hit, i'm fine and comfy on win7.
I'd rather spend time gaming than tweaking the OS.
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| Posted: Sat, 8th Aug 2015 23:18 Post subject: |
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I recall somebody on this forum comparing later builds of BF4 and concluding that difference in performance in BF4 between Win7 and 8.1 was marginal at best. I know there was pretty big difference in performance when the game came out (and in beta), but considering what state game was at release it didn't shock me. I'd like to play BF4 some time, so I'll try it again at one point, but even if it ran a bit worse still, it's not a reason to upgrade either.
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| Posted: Sat, 8th Aug 2015 23:22 Post subject: |
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If it was for me, a modern caveman, I'd stay with my beloved Win 7 till the end of times. I use the PC just as a basic entertaining machine with the least amount of background programs as possible these days, so basically the only reason why Win10 could be somewhat desirable is the future is the mythical dx12 implementation.
All we need is a Mr Robot reverse magician who can figure out how to remove the hidden artificial exclusivity switch, and then we hit the jackpot xD
edit: yup in my case, I've never had any problems whatsoever with the new Frostbite-powered games. The only "issue" is the very long loading times but my oldass HDD takes the blame. 
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| Posted: Sun, 9th Aug 2015 10:41 Post subject: |
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Yeah, i've never played any frostbyte 3 engine games yet, but I do remember people posting 5-10 fps differences in DA: O win 7 vs win8.
maybe patches made it better. But outside of that, yeah, I am in the same boat.
MY pc is a gaming machine, with no background bloat, and highly customizable, and as such, win7 for me is still unsurpassed.
I'ts basically a utopian console
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| Posted: Sun, 9th Aug 2015 11:28 Post subject: |
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Jesus christ. I still had Win10 installed on my laptop with open excel document, suddenly I hear fans spin up so I go see what's up and see Microshit decided it would be good idea to restart computer for fucking Windows update to do its job and it did so even ignoring document was not saved since last edit. I only lost one row which is no big deal. It's about time to roll back to Win7 image on my laptop too
Kiddy operating system, MAYBE good enough for games and your average web browsing. Definitely not for any productivity.
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| Posted: Sun, 9th Aug 2015 12:35 Post subject: |
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And while the world slowly gets dumber and dumber on the tech front... we'll see more and more of these fischer price solutions. 
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Epsilon
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| Posted: Sun, 9th Aug 2015 18:48 Post subject: |
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Luckily Linux is fast approaching the point where it's a viable alternative. For instance I could get all the games running there that I tested in my win 10 compatibility thread.
It takes a bit of getting used to things being done differently though, and stuff like the gamebryo engines are a bitch to get working there, mostly due to the horrible engine. I have a hard time giving up Fallout: New Vegas as I still haven't done everything I want with it.
But it might be a hint that Fallout 4 releases on the same day as the Steammachines, which uses a variant of Debian Linux.
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| Posted: Sun, 9th Aug 2015 19:15 Post subject: |
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And that is based on your experience with which recent distros?
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| Posted: Sun, 9th Aug 2015 19:39 Post subject: |
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| Guy_Incognito wrote: | | And that is based on your experience with which recent distros? |
yes
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| Posted: Sun, 9th Aug 2015 20:27 Post subject: |
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Well with 8,8.1 and 10... I have to say the various distros that are out there now are starting to look more and more appealing to people who want an OS and not a babysitter with flashy honkers.
The thing is, for the now: I'm still quite content with 7. We'll see in half a year/year when it's moving time and what options are out there.
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| Posted: Sun, 9th Aug 2015 21:00 Post subject: |
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| Epsilon wrote: | Luckily Linux is fast approaching the point where it's a viable alternative. For instance I could get all the games running there that I tested in my win 10 compatibility thread.
It takes a bit of getting used to things being done differently though, and stuff like the gamebryo engines are a bitch to get working there, mostly due to the horrible engine. I have a hard time giving up Fallout: New Vegas as I still haven't done everything I want with it.
But it might be a hint that Fallout 4 releases on the same day as the Steammachines, which uses a variant of Debian Linux. |
For me linux has been the best option for daily use for years already. As you say, gaming is getting there too. I doubt it will ever be the simple/dumb option that windows is, and that's great IMO... The problem for MS is still apple. If you want things to just work, I'd say go mac. If you want to do it yourself, linux. Windows is only the best option when you want to run specific software that others still dont have, but they are catching up...
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| Posted: Sun, 9th Aug 2015 21:24 Post subject: |
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It'll be interesting to see how and if Vulkan and SteamOS change gaming on Linux. If they'll succeed then there's no reason to really stay on Windows. Games and Adobe software and perhaps MS Office, though for my basic usage LibreOffice is more than enough. Yes, no distro aside from probably Elementary have really cohesive UX and design, but same could be said about Windows nowadays.
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| Posted: Sun, 9th Aug 2015 21:48 Post subject: |
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| Drowning_witch wrote: | | freiwald wrote: | | windows 7 is too slow |
not my win 7 installs. |
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