Microsoft’s new small print – how your personal data is (ab)
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PostPosted: Wed, 29th Jul 2015 21:40    Post subject: Microsoft’s new small print – how your personal data is (ab)
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Microsoft’s new small print – how your personal data is (ab)used


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Microsoft has renewed its Privacy Policy and Service Agreement. The new services agreement goes into effect on 1 August 2015, only a couple of days after the launch of the Windows 10 operating system on 29 July.

The new “privacy dashboard” is presented to give the users a possibility to control their data related to various products in a centralised manner. Microsoft’s deputy general counsel, Horacio Gutierrez, wrote in a blog post that Microsoft believes “that real transparency starts with straightforward terms and policies that people can clearly understand”. We copied and pasted the Microsoft Privacy Statement and the Services Agreement into a document editor and found that these “straightforward” terms are 22 and 23 pages long respectively. Summing up these 45 pages, one can say that Microsoft basically grants itself very broad rights to collect everything you do, say and write with and on your devices in order to sell more targeted advertising or to sell your data to third parties. The company appears to be granting itself the right to share your data either with your consent “or as necessary”.

A French tech news website Numerama analysed the new privacy policy and found a number of conditions users should be aware of:

By default, when signing into Windows with a Microsoft account, Windows syncs some of your settings and data with Microsoft servers, for example “web browser history, favorites, and websites you have open” as well as “saved app, website, mobile hotspot, and Wi-Fi network names and passwords”. Users can however deactivate this transfer to the Microsoft servers by changing their settings.

More problematic from a data protection perspective is however the fact that Windows generates a unique advertising ID for each user on a device. This advertising ID can be used by third parties, such as app developers and advertising networks for profiling purposes.

Also, when device encryption is on, Windows automatically encrypts the drive Windows is installed on and generates a recovery key. The BitLocker recovery key for the user’s device is automatically backed up online in the Microsoft OneDrive account.*WTF?? ONLINE? Really?...

Microsoft’s updated terms also state that they collect basic information “from you and your devices, including for example “app use data for apps that run on Windows” and “data about the networks you connect to.”

Users who chose to enable Microsoft’s personal assistant software “Cortana” have to live with the following invasion to their privacy: “To enable Cortana to provide personalized experiences and relevant suggestions, Microsoft collects and uses various types of data, such as your device location, data from your calendar, the apps you use, data from your emails and text messages, who you call, your contacts and how often you interact with them on your device. Cortana also learns about you by collecting data about how you use your device and other Microsoft services, such as your music, alarm settings, whether the lock screen is on, what you view and purchase, your browse and Bing search history, and more.” But this is not all, as this piece of software also analyses undefined “speech data”: “we collect your voice input, as well your name and nickname, your recent calendar events and the names of the people in your appointments, and information about your contacts including names and nicknames.”

But Microsoft’s updated privacy policy is not only bad news for privacy. Your free speech rights can also be violated on an ad hoc basis as the company warns:

“We will access, disclose and preserve personal data, including your content (such as the content of your emails, other private communications or files in private folders), when we have a good faith belief that doing so is necessary to”, for example, “protect their customers” or “enforce the terms governing
the use of the services”.

So much for clearly understandable and straightforward terms of service.

Microsoft Privacy Statement
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/privacystatement/default.aspx

Microsoft Services Agreement
https://www.microsoft.com/en-gb/servicesagreement/default.aspx

Windows 10, Microsoft and your personal data: what you need to know (only in French, 11.06.2015)
http://www.numerama.com/magazine/33357-windows-10-microsoft-et-vos-donnees-privees-ce-que-vous-devez-savoir.html

Microsoft provides privacy dashboard ahead of Windows 10 launch (04.06.2015)
http://www.pcworld.com/article/2932132/microsoft-provides-privacy-dashboard-ahead-of-windows-10-launch.html


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https://edri.org/microsofts-new-small-print-how-your-personal-data-abused/


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PostPosted: Fri, 31st Jul 2015 04:01    Post subject:
How surprising that the most important thread about this has no replies whatsoever.

OMFG YAY!!!1 Windoze is free!! m$ has lost their mind1
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PostPosted: Fri, 31st Jul 2015 04:46    Post subject:
LeoNatan wrote:
How surprising that the most important thread about this has no replies whatsoever.

OMFG YAY!!!1 Windoze is free!! m$ has lost their mind1


When its already been discussed in other threads, and it can ALL be turned off.

It really should be an Opt-In than an Opt-Out option.
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PostPosted: Fri, 31st Jul 2015 05:05    Post subject:
Dat comeback.


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PostPosted: Fri, 31st Jul 2015 05:26    Post subject:
I been on Arch for or the past year (aside from some minor cheating for witcher3) and can def say its viable alternative to windows, along with many other services to replace these dodgy companies harvesting my usage (Google, apple, Dropbox etc).

That said there are prerequisites:
- I'm not interested in AAA's or console ports on PC, not every one of these will be ported and run well in wine.
- u have to be a power user, comfortable in the terminal and using core gnu tools. Most first time Linux users try Linux wanting it to be windows = they fuk up their OS and blame Linux because they don't know how it works.
- I guess patience, I enjoy learning the ins and outs systemd, bash, package management etc, if that shit doesn't interest you your probably out of luck.
- I'm not an AMD hater, but their gpu's are useless for Linux.

Also if you own a mobile phone all your privacy and personal life are out there anyway.
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PostPosted: Fri, 31st Jul 2015 05:39    Post subject:
MadK9 wrote:
LeoNatan wrote:
How surprising that the most important thread about this has no replies whatsoever.

OMFG YAY!!!1 Windoze is free!! m$ has lost their mind1


When its already been discussed in other threads, and it can ALL be turned off.

It really should be an Opt-In than an Opt-Out option.


I seriously doubt you can completely opt out of the above, they are openly telling you you are now property of ms, a marketing tool for them to exploit in any way they choose by clicking install. The limited time I spent with 10 after implementing said tweaks, still made it clear it was tracking content and data you were viewing at all times.
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PostPosted: Fri, 31st Jul 2015 11:09    Post subject:
This shit has been mentioned for mnths now way back before all these sudden worry asses appeared with their doom and gloom pictures of botnets etc....Before even insider installs.

If you read more about it you will find none of it is that bad, sure it will raise ones eyebrows like a vulcan mind melder but as usual the goons of the world over react.

If you don't like it turn it off, if you don't like that its straight forward right now to turn things off go make a post to MS itself to show your concern. But the spamming everywhere how gay and how its going to raid your sexy time in the bedroom with spy cam and audio saving is getting boring. Very Happy

The funny thing is people say its terrible how it tracks you for sales of goods and adverts etc etc, store shit etc etc.. But take a look at the internet you browse anyway first regardless of OS you are an and its no fucking different - but suddenly soon as its, oh its your OS that does it direct this time people go all wobbly Very Happy

You have been feeding info for whatever reasons for fucking ages already. A new OS that makes things for maybe "them" more streamlined should be nothing to whine about.
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PostPosted: Fri, 31st Jul 2015 14:52    Post subject:
For all the shit Microsoft puts in their OS to capitalize on your personal data, behaviour patterns and preferences, that OS should be completely free of charge forever.

They could just go the Apple way and stop using those fucking serial keys and just let everyone download their adware.


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PostPosted: Fri, 31st Jul 2015 16:55    Post subject:
linux is so mature these days, there is simply no reason anymore to do your daily computing on windows. if gaming is an issue, at least dual boot linux for all the rest.

Debian is so phenomenal these days... I am using it as main OS since squeeze and upgraded each time without any issues. my parents as computer illiterates even use Debian as only OS, as long as it is correctly configured for these kind of users it works perfect for everyone.

everything is just available in the repos... from mkvtoolnix to office... why screwing with shitty pirated crapware? building your OS as you prefer it is the only way to go... not tweaking a shitty OS to get rid of all unwanted features Laughing but why preaching in the desert if majority still prefers to use utorrent malware? Very Happy
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PostPosted: Fri, 31st Jul 2015 19:34    Post subject:
skx7 wrote:
linux is so mature these days

Since you start with this assertion, your post is useless. According to my experiences the past 2 years trying about 10 distros in Virtualbox, they are underwhelming all around. I also run into bugs that are not due to my usage, just straight up bugs.

And there's a ton of mandatory commandline usage, still. To fix stuff, install stuff, change settings etc. I'm a coder, and still I constantly have to google how to do shit. Arcane linux commands sometimes.

Plus you have to give up Visual Studio, gaming and several programs. Driver and hardware support will never be in par with Windows and the support is totally shit. Linuxes aren't even compatible amongst themselves.

Bottom line is, use what you want, but Windows without the bloat is pretty close to the perfect OS. Win 7 was very close to the mark, I hope Win 10 get back on track gradually.
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PostPosted: Fri, 31st Jul 2015 21:15    Post subject:
Windows has now become a reason to want to leave to linux, since Microsoft started this 'all your data are belong to us' crap.

I don't WANT to opt-out of everything. I don't WANT to be force-fed updates.

And the worst crime of all?

I don't WANT to pay a subscription fee to use an OS. And I am fairly convinced this is what is going to happen - probably something like: Windows Lite (No DirectX, only App Store allowed), Windows Home (DirectX 12, Desktop apps - max 5 installed) and Windows Pro (DirectX 12.1, Desktop apps, Max 20 installed), with extra App Packs available at $19.99 for 5 extra installs.

Sounds ridiculous? Just look at Adobe and cry.


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PostPosted: Fri, 31st Jul 2015 22:34    Post subject:
Kaltern wrote:
Windows has now become a reason to want to leave to linux, since Microsoft started this 'all your data are belong to us' crap.

I don't WANT to opt-out of everything. I don't WANT to be force-fed updates.

And the worst crime of all?

I don't WANT to pay a subscription fee to use an OS. And I am fairly convinced this is what is going to happen - probably something like: Windows Lite (No DirectX, only App Store allowed), Windows Home (DirectX 12, Desktop apps - max 5 installed) and Windows Pro (DirectX 12.1, Desktop apps, Max 20 installed), with extra App Packs available at $19.99 for 5 extra installs.

Sounds ridiculous? Just look at Adobe and cry.


there are problems with an adobe install? Smile
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PostPosted: Sat, 1st Aug 2015 03:48    Post subject:
Well I'm glad there are some humpers / on the fence and or interested in alternatives, wasn't sure if i was going to get MS fanboy raged out of the thread. Google, Dropbox, Apple and others doing it makes it okay then..

@VGAdeadcafe Ya there may be tradeoff's, for me they were minor basically AAA games only. There's also ton's of awesome linux only software and you can customize your OS much further than you can with Windows. MS have ported or are porting Visual Studio for mac and linux now as well.

I'd agree you won't be able to do everything out of a GUI on linux, I basical just use terminals in AwesomeWM for my gui, but pcmanFM as a filemanager is a good option. At this stage the Nvidia Closed source drivers are the only choice if you want Windows like performance.

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PostPosted: Sat, 1st Aug 2015 04:41    Post subject:
Kaltern wrote:
Windows has now become a reason to want to leave to linux, since Microsoft started this 'all your data are belong to us' crap.

I don't WANT to opt-out of everything. I don't WANT to be force-fed updates.

And the worst crime of all?

I don't WANT to pay a subscription fee to use an OS. And I am fairly convinced this is what is going to happen - probably something like: Windows Lite (No DirectX, only App Store allowed), Windows Home (DirectX 12, Desktop apps - max 5 installed) and Windows Pro (DirectX 12.1, Desktop apps, Max 20 installed), with extra App Packs available at $19.99 for 5 extra installs.

Sounds ridiculous? Just look at Adobe and cry.


The adobe thing is not so cut and dry. For me it's much more affordable to pay 50 USD per month and have access to all their software rather than pay 2000 for the whole collection.
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PostPosted: Sat, 1st Aug 2015 10:58    Post subject:
Well, it's more that sub models for apps is going to become the norm; Office 365, Adobe and now MS - I don't WANT to pay loads of different subs to do things i was doing last year.


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PostPosted: Sat, 1st Aug 2015 11:25    Post subject:
What if someone decides to hack Microsoft, knowing they'll be storing millions of peoples' personal data (ie emails, contents of personal folders and files and direct contact messages)? My guess is that's going to be bad, like x times Sony hack bad.

When they invade the privacy of my personal computer, I hope they at least leave me a message complimenting me on my porn folder, it is fucking glorious.
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PostPosted: Sat, 1st Aug 2015 13:52    Post subject:
we dont even need a hack... ever win10 user accepted a backdoor to allow microsoft abusing your private data Smile
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PostPosted: Sat, 1st Aug 2015 16:12    Post subject:
It can't be worse than the gay-ass Unity gui for Ubuntu which gave you amazon results in the search, that "lens" shit which were a security concern, too.
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PostPosted: Sat, 1st Aug 2015 18:08    Post subject:
Dont like Unity?.. try kde, gnome, xfce, enlightenment, lxde, mate, cinammon, awesomewm, xmonad, i3, openbox, fluxbox. Half of these let you build and customize every single element of the GUI.

You can't argue there's more flexabiltiy in Windows when it comes to the GUI. Last version you couldnt even opt for the start menu you had been using for the past 20 years. Same with Windows Search and indexing, it's still shit.. Why when searching "Putty" is "PuttyGen" the first result? the amount of times you press "win" - "type exact name of program (which should only need a few letters" = some bogus shit comes up Rage
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