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 Posted: Wed, 2nd Feb 2011 10:58 Post subject: Treyarch: Industry is creative, no thanks to whiney gamers |
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http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-02-01-treyarch-angry-gamers-stifle-creativity
| Quote: | "Personally, as a community manager who lives in the media or social media world every day, I think the social culture of video games is moving in a more negative direction as technology and social media continues to grow," Olin explained.
"Rather than growing with it, the trend seems to be devolving. More and more gamers seem to forget what this industry is all about.
"It's a creative industry – the most creative form of entertainment in existence," he continued. "Too many developers who try new things are getting burned by 'pundits' and angry entitled fans who look to be contrarian, sometimes simply for the sake of being contrarian.
"The only thing this attitude aims to achieve is stunt that creativity and innovation even further, which is something that no rational gamer looking to be entertained would want to do." |
I suppose he also believes Black Ops and the CoD series in general are the prime example of innovation hm? 
TWIN PEAKS is "something of a miracle."
"...like nothing else on television."
"a phenomenon."
"A tangled tale of sex, violence, power, junk food..."
"Like Nothing On Earth"
~ WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO SAY CAN ONLY BE SEEN ~
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHTUOgYNRzY
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| Posted: Wed, 2nd Feb 2011 11:08 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Wed, 2nd Feb 2011 11:27 Post subject: |
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I agree with his comment that many selfdeclared hardcore gamers bitch just to bitch. The current trend though has nothing to do with taking a creative approach and so change gaming. That's complete bullshit. I highly doubt that guy believes that shit. He can't simply say "we're catering to the mainstream gamer who wants instant gratification and fast action, so fuck you hardcore gamers", so he comes up with this shit. This coming from a Treyarch employee is double funny, what a retard. Did he forget what company he's working for?
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| Posted: Wed, 2nd Feb 2011 11:35 Post subject: |
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| Interinactive wrote: | Interpreted:
We make shit games and it's your fault.
Treyarch wouldn't know creativity if it bit them in the ass. 7 games in one series with minute differences (which are also basically just reskins when it's their turn) and they have the hide to come out with that drivel. What else have they made? Oh right, the 20043529th Bond game and other D grade titles. Real original. Clap clap Treyarch, fucking spastics. |
They didn't make all the titles.
IW = 1, 2, MW 1, MW 2
Treyarch = 3 (Console only), WaW, Black Ops
Furthermore the MP modes, while not always clearly advertised, have been outsourced a few times, and Treyarch actually consists of some of the people behind CoD: UO and RTCW (SP) - or before those, Kingpin and Redneck Rampage. It's funny how everyone always whines about Treyarch or IW, but it's Activision who have had far too much control over both companies. They are also the ones that have made the terrible decisions to skip dedicated servers in MW2 for example, or to let the MP component of MW3 be made by Raven*.
CoD 1 and 2 had a clear developer, and that was IW - after that it's all a huge mess.
* I know there are some fans of the new Wolfenstein and Singularity here, but I got bored by both of them and Raven completely fucked up Quake 4, which was their last MP title. So I fucking hope they've got the Jedi Academy team on MW3, otherwise MW3 is gonna suck balls. Q4 was laggy, ran like shit (although that was partially due to id not having tech 4 optimised yet) and in gameplay it was a very weak derivative of what all 3 of its predecessors were. |
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| Posted: Wed, 2nd Feb 2011 11:41 Post subject: |
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If a game fails it's not only the fault of the publisher. "The game would've been awesome but the publisher screwed it up" is irrelevant imo. If they gimp the game or spew out some generic shit, the dev is at fault too.
Doesn't matter though, this guy makes an erroneous point, even if he would've worked for the most creative company in the world.
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| Posted: Wed, 2nd Feb 2011 11:43 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Wed, 2nd Feb 2011 12:04 Post subject: |
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For fun let's remember another of their statements from a couple of years ago: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11750503&postcount=1
We don't even think about [Gearbox]. Like... that's not the kind of game. They are not a game we even think about when we're playing. We think about the best shooters. We play [Call of Duty 4] Modern Warfare, we play the blocking of all the competitor's games. (laugh) We play Gears of War, we play Halo, Bioshock... That's the competition, because we want to look at the games that do great storytelling. We don't want to look at someone else making crappy wargame. I watched the trailer [of Brothers in Arms: Hell's Highway] and that was like these guys are not even in the same league. (laugh)
TWIN PEAKS is "something of a miracle."
"...like nothing else on television."
"a phenomenon."
"A tangled tale of sex, violence, power, junk food..."
"Like Nothing On Earth"
~ WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO SAY CAN ONLY BE SEEN ~
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHTUOgYNRzY
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| Posted: Wed, 2nd Feb 2011 12:15 Post subject: |
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And here I was completely oblivious in liking Treyarch. Thanks for clearing that up for me.
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| Posted: Wed, 2nd Feb 2011 12:20 Post subject: |
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Call of Duty games are very good nevertheless.
Is just mainstream approach makes people to unite in order to hate it:D
I enjoyed SinglePlayer of Moder Warfare and MW2 a lot. Great games.
But black ops and world ad war sucked badly.
Also I don't play a multiplayer so I might not get a whole scope
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| Posted: Wed, 2nd Feb 2011 13:30 Post subject: |
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Whoever developes a game like Call of Duty should think twice before talking about innovation and creativity. Not to mention who even manages to release a broken Call of Duty 
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| Posted: Wed, 2nd Feb 2011 15:31 Post subject: |
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| djaoni wrote: | | The only developers that try new things are indie. |
Ah men not true. Give developers credit when they make new things or use old ones really pushing the boundries. For instance the level of freedom in Alpha Protocol story is something that I havn't seen in video games before.
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| Posted: Wed, 2nd Feb 2011 15:42 Post subject: |
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| Lukxxx wrote: |
Ah men not true. Give developers credit when they make new things or use old ones really pushing the boundries. For instance the level of freedom in Alpha Protocol story is something that I havn't seen in video games before. |
And Obsidian is an independent dev studio...
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| Posted: Wed, 2nd Feb 2011 15:42 Post subject: |
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So is Epic 
TWIN PEAKS is "something of a miracle."
"...like nothing else on television."
"a phenomenon."
"A tangled tale of sex, violence, power, junk food..."
"Like Nothing On Earth"
~ WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO SAY CAN ONLY BE SEEN ~
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHTUOgYNRzY
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| Posted: Wed, 2nd Feb 2011 16:50 Post subject: |
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What are these "new things" he's talking about?
Always on internet connections being a requirement to play a game and overpriced DLC that used to be free are the only new things I've seen from the big companies besides the endless "streamlining" for the casual console gamers
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| Posted: Wed, 2nd Feb 2011 19:10 Post subject: |
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What an arrogant asshole! I consider myself hardcore, and yes, I bitch about many things, but not just because I love bitching more, it's because I find myself playing older games more often than ever, and I keep wondering, how the hell did we derail from the upward trend 5-7 years ago.
I didn't bitch at all back when cs, css or whatever was released, I didn't bitch when when UT2k4 was released. You know what I did? Play the shit out of them for weeks and months. Heck, CSS is still the game I play most, when it comes to modern day shooters.
I don't bitch at newer FPSs either, like I didn't bitch because of TF2, I didn't bitch at l4d2 either.
So, in conclusion, when I do bitch, it is so, because shitty developers give me a reason to bitch. You want to know why hardcore gamers hate your guts, Treyarch? It's because you try to shove the same game down our throats for 60 euros every damned year. The same damned game! What do other developers do, the ones embraced by the hardcore, like Valve? They fucking expand the game they already released for free! That's what!
You know why we bitch? We bitch because we know what our money's worth, and we aren't stupid enough to throw it at you all the time, because you haven't earned it!
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| Posted: Wed, 2nd Feb 2011 20:02 Post subject: |
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When they want to try something new they should make a new franchise.
Only when developers take a franchise that I love and turn it into something else (mass effect anyone?), that's when I bitch.
When there's a new franchise they can do whatever the hell they want because I have no expectations on what it should be like.
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| Posted: Thu, 3rd Feb 2011 01:59 Post subject: |
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I also agree with him that a lot of "hardcore" gamers bitch and moan just because they think it's elite to bitch and moan. We have plenty of those here in nfohump that love to bitch just for the sake of hearing their own voice. There's so many times I've been reading about a game here on nfohump and the elite bitch choir set in motion. I loose total interest in playing the game because with all that bitching it must be bad right? I end up 3 weeks later being bored to tears and deside to give it a shot after al,l and the game turns out to be pretty damned good. That has happened many times.
Saying it's the most creative form of industry in existence is the worst kind of bullshit I've ever heard. Maybe even in my existence. An opera from the 16th century wasn't any less creative than any of the contemporary game developments. The gaming industry is the most advanced on a linear scale today yes, but that's all. How does he measure creativity anyway? I call bullshit on his thesis.
Besides it's a long time since Treyarch has been innovative as far as I'm concerned. They use the same formulae in game after game.
I believe that the future of the internet contains some sort of identification on the largest and most used services. Like what steam is doing or what Blizzard tried doing a few months back. It's the only way to make people behave in my opinion***. If you can't post something under your full name it's probably not worth saying to be perfectly honest.
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| Posted: Thu, 3rd Feb 2011 02:10 Post subject: |
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| Taffelost wrote: | | There's so many times I've been reading about a game here on nfohump and the elite bitch choir set in motion. |
I'm aware of who you mean though  |
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| Posted: Thu, 3rd Feb 2011 03:46 Post subject: |
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| tainted4ever wrote: | | Quote: | | There's so many times I've been reading about a game here on nfohump and the elite bitch choir set in motion. |
So true We have quite a bunch of divas in this section. Makes it unreadable for me =/ |
I'm very sorry to hear that, I'll keep my opinion to myself in the future. |
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| Posted: Thu, 3rd Feb 2011 04:22 Post subject: |
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How else are we going to start getting good games if not by complaining? If we throw in with the rest of the fanboys who loves everything as long as it has enough bloom, QTE and is preferably playable with only one button, then the decline will just continue.
We need to stop the market researchers and CEOs with no gaming interest from designing games.
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| Posted: Thu, 3rd Feb 2011 08:32 Post subject: |
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Most of their so called "Innovations" are utter shit... that's why there is so much bitching. If they try to sell crap to us, they shouldn't be surprised that the people, who actually have a brain, unlike most of the gamers today, start to bitch about their "new" and "innovative" "features".
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