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 Posted: Mon, 29th Dec 2014 18:45 Post subject: help with choosing new CPU |
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So the list is:
Intel® Core™ i5-4690K
Intel® Core™ i5-4460
Intel® Xeon® Processor E3-1230 v3
The 4460 is the cheapest here, yet I cant OC it. The 4690K is almost the same price as Xeon and provides OC`ing. Yet as much as I have read, then OC`ing doesnt give much real boost in games. Xeon is basically i7 4770 without IGP and the most powerful of them yet the most expensive. 4460 and 4690K should be almost equal performance wise when in stock?
Would pair the new CPU with r290 GPU.
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DXWarlock
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| Posted: Mon, 29th Dec 2014 18:59 Post subject: |
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Id say get the K, no reason to get the 4460 as your not using the IGP..and K is shit easy to overclock. One setting and done. Even a slight overclock will push it past the E3 for nearly everything for gaming and daily use
Only such things like video editing, 3d rendering, etc that could use all 8 cores of the e3 would e3 be worth getting (even then only very marginally). so unless you using programs that will push all the cores of the e3, no reason to go with it in my opinion.
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| Posted: Mon, 29th Dec 2014 19:02 Post subject: |
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Another +1 to the K version from me. You will have the chance to overclock, should you feel the need for it
Just look at the old i5-2500k today. With some overclocking it still keeps fucking with most of the current CPUs, at least in gaming
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couleur
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| Posted: Mon, 29th Dec 2014 19:29 Post subject: |
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I use a 3570K oced to 4.5Ghz myself though I just do it because its possible, I've never really experienced any real advantage to just using it at stock speeds. If you compare benchmarks, you'll see that most of the time more speed does not yield proportionally more performance since moste games are limited by your GPU anyway.
But I sense the future of gaming lies more in multithreaded games than anything else, I'd seriously consider the Xeon over the i5 4690K for future proofeness. Plus you are going to be able to buy a cheaper mobo.
In the end it becomes purely a matter of taste since none of those chips will outlast the other by a significant margin and until then you will most likely have upgraded anyway.
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| Posted: Mon, 29th Dec 2014 19:58 Post subject: |
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Just keep in mind to be careful of future proofing if its going to cost you more to upgrade later. I had that bite me in the ass too. before the 2500k I had the q9450..bought it because it was a beast of a chip, and thought "this will last quite a while". then i3/i5/i7 came out, and the newer slower i3 chips was kicking mines ass since it was so 'old tech' compared to the architecture of the newer ones and a totally different socket.
And to upgrade from it meant new ram, new MB, new chip..all that 
Nothing worse than building PC to go in a year "yay! all that high end stuff I got is now useless as its the end of the line I can go up, I have to replace everything but my HD's to upgrade"..haha
So this time I went with a socket I knew would be good to go with for 3-4 years at least.
Thats my new outlook. Find a socket type that has room to grow, that a current upper mid end CPU currently is kicking ass in, and get it. I can always just slap a new CPU from the higher end ones in if I need to in a year to keep up.
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| Posted: Mon, 29th Dec 2014 20:16 Post subject: |
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I hate to play devils advocate to couleur as usually I can only agree with what he says on anything  , but I still see the more than 4 core gaming as being what it has been for the last 4-5 years: its always just around the corner, but not quite here yet.
When I got the i5-2500k vs getting the i7-2600k they was saying that, that more than 4 cores needed to make games run well was just around the bend. and that was 3+ years ago.
I think until mainstream PCs are 4+ cores, only select high end, AAA titles will try to push for more than 4 cores as a feature. Sure the random title now and then will benefit from it. But its the exception to the rule vs the mandate as it cuts too many buyers out of the picture. And everyday joe having a 6+ core machine as the average home computer is farther off than my next upgrade..so sticking with power per core vs having more than 4 cores, is where I hedge my bets.
I could be wrong, its all a guessing game..so take that with a grain of salt its all coke vs pepsi so to speak 
And more headroom is never a bad thing for sure. Its all up to you on what path you want to take on next upgrade. Follow the 1150 socket path, or 1155 socket (if you wish to upgrade it again later).
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| Posted: Mon, 29th Dec 2014 20:40 Post subject: |
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I agree DXWarlock. 4 cores will certainly last long enough anyway. I guess when that Xeon at 3.5Ghz with 8 threads becomes faster because of its threads, maybe the i5 K will just make up for it with speed.
I dont really think either is a bad choice. Concerning the sockets though, Intel is having this bad practice of giving every gen its own socket again and I completely expect Skylake to have new sockets aswell.
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| Posted: Mon, 29th Dec 2014 20:43 Post subject: |
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Yea intel's socket changes annoy me like I said above from my q9450 sadness..haha.
Sometimes it just feels like they went "we moved one pin 2mm to the left on the new chips..so now you need a new socketed MB for them!"
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-Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times. -G. Michael Hopf
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| Posted: Mon, 29th Dec 2014 20:44 Post subject: |
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I wouldnt get anything now. Wait for real 8 cores cpu.
Currently, even my 2500k is very strong
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| Posted: Mon, 29th Dec 2014 20:50 Post subject: |
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| KillerCrocker wrote: | I wouldnt get anything now. Wait for real 8 cores cpu.
Currently, even my 2500k is very strong |
Since we dont know what he has, its difficult to recommend nothing. I mean if he still has a core 2 duo/quad CPU nothing speaks against an upgrade.
"Enlightenment is man's emergence from his self-imposed nonage. Nonage is the inability to use one's own understanding without another's guidance. This nonage is self-imposed if its cause lies not in lack of understanding but in indecision and lack of courage to use one's own mind without another's guidance. Dare to know! (Sapere aude.) "Have the courage to use your own understanding," is therefore the motto of the enlightenment."
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| Posted: Mon, 29th Dec 2014 20:58 Post subject: |
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True
3080 | ps5 pro
Sin317-"im 31 years old and still surprised at how much shit comes out of my ass actually ..."
SteamDRM-"Call of Duty is the symbol of the true perfection in every aspect. Call of Duty games are like Mozart's/Beethoven's symphonies"
deadpoetic-"are you new to the cyberspace?"
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| Posted: Mon, 29th Dec 2014 21:06 Post subject: |
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| sepik wrote: | | Using FX-8350 atm and really disappointed with it`s power tbh. |
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| Posted: Mon, 29th Dec 2014 21:20 Post subject: |
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I had already forgotten about that when I read KCs post.
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| Posted: Mon, 29th Dec 2014 21:25 Post subject: |
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| Mortibus wrote: | i'd say get Xeon, more shitty console ports incoming in very near future, so brace yourself
some games already profit from more cores/ht, Dragon age for example can give up to 20 fps with i7=xeon
besides it is always better to have more head room and not stressing your hardware |
You are confusing Xeons here. Xeon E3 listed above in the options is basically the same as the 4770 Haswell i7. These are the lower end Xeons. Your "i7 = Xeon" comment really meant the Xeon E5, which are the EP variants. These are at much higher cost. |
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| Posted: Mon, 29th Dec 2014 21:29 Post subject: |
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| couleur wrote: | | KillerCrocker wrote: | I wouldnt get anything now. Wait for real 8 cores cpu.
Currently, even my 2500k is very strong |
Since we dont know what he has, its difficult to recommend nothing. I mean if he still has a core 2 duo/quad CPU nothing speaks against an upgrade. |
It really depends on your needs as well. My 2500K could often bottleneck when going past 60FPS in some games even under Mantle, so upgrading it is not a bad idea if you you have a 120Hz monitor, for example. Even more so, if you have a multi-GPU setup.
In general, at least for past year I am seeing more and more games where SB is no longer cutting it if you have a high-end GPU.
AMD CPUs are even behind that in vast majority of titles.
The wait for the next big thing is also questionable. That Skylake everyone keeps waiting for will still be the same 4C/8T CPU, so there won't be "real" mainstream octo-cores from Intel for a while yet. It's also unknown if you can expect performance leaps from it that are any larger than what we had with previous generations.
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| Posted: Mon, 29th Dec 2014 21:40 Post subject: |
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| sepik wrote: | All the internet says that i5 is better for gaming. Yet true - in hope of future gaming and games starting to use more cores then the Xeon would be a beast. I really dont orient in Intel`s cpu world atm. All I know is that Xeon is a "server" cpu in my wisdom  |
That's mambo jambo. Usually the Xeons are the consumer generation, one year later with most quirks sorted out, and some extensions that usually serve the higher tier users more, including server software, but certainly not limited. The Xeon CPUs, as well as the E CPU variants are the powerful counterparts of the lower tier consumer variants. In this case, the Xeon is clearly the more powerful and future proof CPU, but I have different priorities when considering a CPU, not just gaming. But as it seems, the consoles have finally brought better CPU utilization, and considering DX12 is also pushing for parallelism, good things are coming. Either choice is good, but I'm for the Xeon in this case.  |
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| Posted: Mon, 29th Dec 2014 22:20 Post subject: |
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Don't bullshit, you said "can give up to 20 fps with i7=xeon".  You don't get 20+ with 4770.
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| Posted: Mon, 29th Dec 2014 22:44 Post subject: |
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Lol you looking at avg scores, who the fuck pays attention to that? What matters is the min.
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| Posted: Mon, 29th Dec 2014 22:50 Post subject: |
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lol min is 13, so it's still up to 20 lol
grow the fuck up
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| Posted: Tue, 30th Dec 2014 00:32 Post subject: |
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Pumpy will say Xeon, I will say 4690K
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