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 Posted: Thu, 11th Sep 2014 01:45 Post subject: Another camera topic. Not buying yet, just asking |
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I am still scauting cheap to mid cameras market. Wonder what should I look after to maybe buy later.
I will not shoot raw and wont do video if at all. Just want fast shutter with good low light performance and 18-105 lens. Like to do macro and love hdr photography. Ability to do long exposure too. Could buy zoom lens later.
i would just go for nikon d7100 but price is like 2 times too much for me.
there is d3300 and d5200 which both seems good but there is one camera that i see recommended more often recently. Pentax k50.
it have only 16mp compared to 24 in nikons but have 2 dials, better menu system, in body electromagnetic stabilization and most importantly it is weather resistant which is not available on anything below d7100. I could do rain or snow photos which is fantastic.
What do You guys think ? K50 is ok ? It seems to be blowing d3300 and d5200 out of the water apart from mp.
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| Posted: Thu, 11th Sep 2014 22:35 Post subject: |
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D5200 is an excellent camera. Get a good lens, and it will shine.
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| Posted: Thu, 11th Sep 2014 23:07 Post subject: |
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yeah 5200 have good reviews. If I were to get it, I would jsut get 18-105 lens tho. Seen sample pics with that lens and they look great. I just want versitality. Wonder if its worth going for 5300 tho...
But I am really leaning towards Pentax K-50. Its weather sealed unlike those nikons, have good low light performance, great controls etc. but only 16mp sensor.
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| Posted: Thu, 11th Sep 2014 23:36 Post subject: |
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Make sure to get a nice 35mm prime. They aren't very expensive, and give you an amazing performance at dark and light.
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| Posted: Thu, 11th Sep 2014 23:37 Post subject: |
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Why exactly you need more than 16MP? 
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| Posted: Thu, 11th Sep 2014 23:50 Post subject: |
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I'm very satisfied with my Canon 60d but I gather a 600d would have done the very same job.
In the end the most important thing is the lenses and size of the sensor. (And of course your talent) Most of the rest is gimmics.
I'd still recommend a entry-level Canikon dslr with one basic zoom lens for travel and a 50mm or 35mm 1.8/1.4 lens to learn the basics. (My english is limited in the technical terms of this stuff)
My sister has been doing amazing pictures with a Canon 1000d and the basic 18-50mm kit lens.
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| Posted: Thu, 11th Sep 2014 23:52 Post subject: |
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I've heard otherwise about canon. That it's not good low-mid camera brand.
And is there anything weather sealed other than pentax k-50 in this price range ?
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| Posted: Fri, 12th Sep 2014 00:05 Post subject: |
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I think it's a mistake to limit yourself to weather sealed models.
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| Posted: Fri, 12th Sep 2014 00:20 Post subject: |
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Maybe it indeed is. But what if I will want to shoot in snow? or -10c ? Ir in rain or dense fog ?
I have no idea how fragile those nikons or canons are. pentax at least is weather sealed but there is not enough reviews of it to see how it performs really
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| Posted: Fri, 12th Sep 2014 00:51 Post subject: |
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Between Canon and Nikon its a matter of taste completely. If you browse specialized forums you'll see endless discussions about whatever is better.
In the end, both devices can make good pictures depending solely on the skill of the photographer.
I have not seen many professionals actually really caring about weatherproofness and I am not sure that should be a concern at this level.
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| Posted: Fri, 12th Sep 2014 01:06 Post subject: |
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Other than pouring rain, if you are careful, you'll be fine.
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| Posted: Fri, 12th Sep 2014 01:08 Post subject: |
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It's not like I will be rolling it in sand but some storm or snowing shots at night would be fantastic to do
I generally like the look of nikon and canon cameras the same... maybe nikon look a bit nicer. Pentax sure looks worst but have 2 dials, more buttons and mentioned waterproof metal body. and generally features only meet in more expensive cameras. Maybe it doesnt matter indeed.
So.... What are my recommendation up to 800$ (with kit lens included) ? again - macro, hdr, low lighting/night, fast shutter speed, ease of use... just versitality. i want to be able to adjust zoom and focus manually on the lens (by hand). Love to take pics with heavy use of focus/bokeh, especially at night. Would love ability to put camera on the tripod and do long expousure shots of sky, streets... or timelapses for that matter.
again. One camera, One lens for versitality. I can accept 2 lenses in extreme cases when one is for close quaters and other is like 200mm
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For HDR, I dont know about NIKON, but Canon does auto HDR from 650d (NIKON implemented this feature earlier iirc) up, but the product is always just mere jpg. which is not comparable to what you'd get if you'd just make three (or even five) in a row with bracketing exposure and compose them via the proper software.
Low lightning asks for fast lenses which are increasingly expensive expet for fixed mm lenses like 50/1.8 or something like that. Depends on the brand you chose.
And I'm not sure you will be able to fit a decent macro lens inside that budget.
ease of use, well, they are all easy or difficult once you know what to do. You will always be able to do long exposures and things like that.
800$ is not that much for what you are asking. Maybe you should consider entry level and just go with the kit lens until you get used to it and add other lenses later when you have the money. The D5200 LeoNatan may effectively be a good choice.
Or go with a D3200, kit lens and add a Tamron/Sigma macro lens if thats important to you. Compare the features of both cameras etc.
For the rest, you'd do well to do a little research by yourself just to get to know whats on the market, and you will already learn a good deal about what is possible. Then come back with your choices.
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| Posted: Fri, 12th Sep 2014 02:54 Post subject: |
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Even d3300 looks fantastic. It seems to have great low light performance too
http://www.dpreview.com/galleries/reviewsamples/photos/2858055/iso250_dsc_0370?inalbum=nikon-d3300-sample-images
I don't think there is a point in recommending 3200 when 3300 is out. 5200 maybe yes, because 5300 is more expensive
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| Posted: Fri, 12th Sep 2014 03:13 Post subject: |
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the d3300 seems to be a good choice for an entry level. Its a little more expensive though. Less room for additional lenses. None of these are bad products, really.
I am not recommending anything either. There are many more or less good choices. The important thing is learning what you can do with them.
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| Posted: Fri, 12th Sep 2014 07:49 Post subject: |
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As I have already told you in the past, get a D5200 and a good 35mm lens. I saw some of your pics and I think a 35mm lens would suit you just fine. I also second what Leo said, unless you're in the pouring rain, you shouldn't have an issue.
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Entry level cameras are so good today that what limits the most are your lenses. 5200 is an excellent camera. You won't need to upgrade that for years. Set money aside for some good prime lenses, as LeoNatan said; a 50mm f/1.8 is a damn good work horse when you set out. I'd buy the house separately and not get a kit lens, but buy my own lenses.
When you get the camera, learn how to shoot manual first, so you get how ISO/Aperture/Shutter speed affects images, and then switch to Aperture Priority mode. That way you can keep track of what your shutter speeds and ISO are, and know how or if it's time to switch back to manual to get the shot.
Oh, set your camera to shoot RAW-mode, and edit your shots in Lightroom. JPEGs are nice and quick, but there's so much more control you have over your images in RAW, not to mention the fact that RAW actually gives you more to work with (more data).
Some people get a UV-filter and screw it on to protect the front lens of the camera, modern lenses already have UV-filter built in, but if you know you're a goof and drops your camera often (under 20 years of shooting, I never have) then get one. If you want something in-between get a lens hood (those are very usable if there's lots of light (or sun) that could potentially ruin your image.
Good luck shooting! Check Adorama TV out and Phlearn.com for some beginner photography tips and editing tips.
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| Posted: Fri, 12th Sep 2014 11:49 Post subject: |
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Thanks.
so you say that lens can be damaged with normal sunlight on sunny day ?
And how does those set lenses work ? If it's locked to 35 or 55 mm, how do I control zoom ?
And I don't think I understand the f value yet 
So single droplets of snow etc shouldn't be dangerous, ok. How about cold in winter ?
Oo out of everything: I will say pricing in polish currency, so You can see differences and say if it's worth it. 1$ is 3zl, 1e is 4zl.
D3300 18-105 -> 2300zl. It's cheapest of the bunch. body only is about 1800pln(but hard to find) and 18-55 standard kit is about 2000pln. The 18-105 d3300 is very popular now thanks to its price. Available in most big photo stores and media markts. But after spending 2300pln, I wouldnt have much room for additional lens really. Need bag, tripod and sd card too. but lens could just come later, why not ! Going with 18-55 would leave me some spending room but some people say that lens sucks big time.
d5300 is 3300 for 18-105 pack. So 1k more. Body is 2600pln, 18-55 pack is 3kpln.
D5200 is the middle ground. 2600pln for 18-105 pack, 2000 for the body, 2400 with 18-55 pack and 2900pln with 18-200 pack. So there are some good prices on D5200 but its outgoing model and it's getting harder to find it at retail store.
Canon have 100d. even cheaper than d3300. Dont know much about canon... there is also 700d etc. Their naming is fucked
So that's all from canon and nikon I know about. D5200 seems like most reasonable choice but, seeing how it's find to get it, will d3300 be good too ? Does it have good hdr mode or bracketing ? And can i focus manually.
Then there is Pentax. great build quality, controls etc. overall hard to find anywhere in big stores like media markt or photo stores like photojoker. Then only have canon and nikon. also not many lens etc.
But pricing:
K-5 ii 3300pln
K-50 18-55 and 50-200 bundle is 2800pln and 18-55 bundle with k-50 is just 2300pln so the same as d3300 with 18-105
edit: Oh and lenses
Nikon Nikkor 35mm f/1.8G AF-S DX -> 720pln
Nikkor AF-S 50mm f/1.4G 0> 1400pln
So both those have set zoom, but let more light come in, right ? how is 35, or 50 a macro lens, if a kit minimum value is 15 ?
And there are some special deals on outgoing d3200. 2000pln with 18-105 lens
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| Posted: Fri, 12th Sep 2014 11:55 Post subject: |
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The 35mm or 55mm lenses are fixed, those are macro lenses, you only control the manual focus which sits right at the end of the lens. His point was that most newer lens don't need a filter because the outlying lens has a built-in filter.
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| Posted: Fri, 12th Sep 2014 12:19 Post subject: |
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and one more question, should I be interested in mirrorless or Sony SLT-A58K (good prices on that one and it have 2 dials)
edit: wow. Just found out that d3300 dont have neither bracketing or hdr.. thats a nope then. So 5200 is minimum I want. Need to read more about canon and see what they have to offer too
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To my knowledge, mirrorless cameras have much smaller sensors compared to DSLR's and lack an optical viewfinder (the small viewing area you look through with your eye)
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| Posted: Fri, 12th Sep 2014 13:32 Post subject: |
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| ClaudeFTW wrote: | | To my knowledge, mirrorless cameras have much smaller sensors compared to DSLR's and lack an optical viewfinder (the small viewing area you look through with your eye) |
Not true. There are now mirrorless cameras that have APS-C sized sensor, and even full frame sensors. Mirrorless cameras have come a long way. |
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| LeoNatan wrote: | | ClaudeFTW wrote: | | To my knowledge, mirrorless cameras have much smaller sensors compared to DSLR's and lack an optical viewfinder (the small viewing area you look through with your eye) |
Not true. There are now mirrorless cameras that have APS-C sized sensor, and even full frame sensors. Mirrorless cameras have come a long way. |
Thanks for correcting me, to be honest I haven't given any attention to the mirrorless scene, not since I got my D5100 a couple of years back, anyway. This is good to know, in the future I might switch to one, if only for the size.
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| Posted: Fri, 12th Sep 2014 15:21 Post subject: |
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I dont understand the size difference with mirrorless cameras. there is stilla huge lens on there. It's not like if camera fits in pocket now.
Standard dslr have nicer grip than flat mirrorless cameras for me
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| Posted: Fri, 12th Sep 2014 15:23 Post subject: |
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My NEX-5N with kit lens fits well in my jacket pocket.
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| Posted: Fri, 12th Sep 2014 15:28 Post subject: |
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Perhps its antiquated, but still like to have an optical viewfinder.
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| Posted: Fri, 12th Sep 2014 15:43 Post subject: |
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| couleur wrote: | | Perhps its antiquated, but still like to have an optical viewfinder. |
Today's digital viewfinders are very good also. |
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| Posted: Fri, 12th Sep 2014 15:46 Post subject: |
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what are the advantages of optical viewfinder over just looking at the screen ?
edit: wow, look at shots this dude takes with his d3200. d3300 is only better. Maybe indeed I dont need hdr, because thats the only thing going for 5200/5300... well and better autofocus but I want to focus manually by the hand on the lens so I dont need it
https://www.flickr.com/photos/petervii/14148480793/in/photostream/
Some of his photos are made with sony nex3 mirrorless camera. they lookg reat too
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