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Karmeck
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sausje
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a quick read through it, and i'm sorry to say. But you seem to be the senseless fanboy in this case. Blindly defending what is obvious going to be a scam or some shitty quality product that costed them €1 to make 
At the time of the project, they already had a design, a prototype etc etc. So the only thing they needed the money for was mass production.
Now a year later, you still don't have your product? You must be really blind to not see the obvious.
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Morphineus
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| Posted: Sun, 7th Dec 2014 16:33 Post subject: |
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I have to agree with saus, you are overly defensive and if I encounter individuals like that... I usually call them fanboys.
The product alone raises enough warning flags for me, and the little bit I read about it now... well it doesn't look good. But one can never be sure... just don't go out of your way to defend the company if you don't have a (real) investment in it.
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| Posted: Sun, 7th Dec 2014 19:51 Post subject: |
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I just feel bad for people who bought into the mobile VR hype.
At least cardboard is cheap.
We already know the end product will be objectively garbage. (It's called VRarse in the VR community)
There's a reason Carmack worked a year on GearVR's kernel, and why it doesn't use the internal IMU.
The standard mobile devices are optimized for battery use and handheld use.
The latency is terrible in sensor input, input rate, framerate and render latency, presentation latency, full persistence screens, power throttling.....
Doing anything but watching some video clips for any length of time will get people nauseated.
It's google cardboard with a headstrap.
I suggest everyone involved gets a cardboard clone off ebay or dx.com or somewhere instead.
And that's the API most non-gearvr content will be made with anyway.
BTW, I recently tried GearVR, and that is a really solid piece of kit.
Super low latency and stable framerate with low persistence and other goodies.
All due to kernel and driver access and essentially making android Carmack's bitch for the duration of VR rendering on a level that isn't even possible on windows machines.
I still personally don't see much potential in mobile applications, but it's currently the only product that can deliver comfortable mobile VR.
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| Posted: Sun, 7th Dec 2014 19:54 Post subject: |
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| Morphineus wrote: | I have to agree with saus, you are overly defensive and if I encounter individuals like that... I usually call them fanboys.
The product alone raises enough warning flags for me, and the little bit I read about it now... well it doesn't look good. But one can never be sure... just don't go out of your way to defend the company if you don't have a (real) investment in it. |
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To be fair, Chris and Brian are both the other side of the coin and clearly have some mental issues to continue to post to the extent they have. But at least they have a reason: they feel wrong and are riling against a company that stole their money.
Karmeck, why are you defending this company? Seriously? I was part of the iControlpad II Kickstarter and we know pretty early on we'd never get the pad and we didn't. There were a few people like you who were yelling at everyone to stay positive but this isn't a fairyland. It's pretty easy to see when something is doomed to fail when they can't even handle the basics.
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| Posted: Sun, 7th Dec 2014 20:07 Post subject: |
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This screams scam anyhow, the money they're asking for essentially a cardboard VR with a headband is just..  and then the fact that they haven't even had the goddamn common courtesy to post updates in 3 months? Yeah, that's wrong. A year delay and then radio silence? Another Kickstarter "success" 
I hope you get your product Karmeck mate, and I absolutely mean no offence, but there's every chance that Brian/Chris may be the ones in the right here. This reminds me of so many other KS failures and the simple fact is.. people paid for a product. I don't give a rat's ass if it's "pledging, not purchasing" on paper or in the T&C, the end result is the same; you hand over money and you expect - demand - the product in return. Not getting that, or feeling like you're being misled and mistreated, is enough to get many people's hackles up so they stop trusting and start hating.
Incidentally;
@red_avatar
I'm genuinely surprised about the iCP2 KS failing. Aren't they the same team behind the Pandora handheld? Is there any chance I could ask you to C/P (or screencap, whatever) the last five or so KS updates? I'd love to see what's going on but they're locked behind a backer wall. These ones, in particular, if that's possible?
Update #39, 44, 45, 46 and 47?
No worries if you can't/won't, but thanks regardless.
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Karmeck
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| Posted: Sun, 7th Dec 2014 22:11 Post subject: |
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sausje
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| Posted: Sun, 7th Dec 2014 22:37 Post subject: |
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A year in and this is what they got?
Even their promo video had a better design than that 
I mean seriously, can't be that hard to design that shit
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Morphineus
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| Posted: Sun, 7th Dec 2014 23:02 Post subject: |
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A ski mask with cheap plastic, the kind you find in choclate boxes... the earlier model already looked rather cheap in design and had questionable structural integrity... this looks worse tbh...
I do hope for the people involved they get their product but that photo... 
About that lawyer twat, just ignore him... don't react to it. He comes from a different culture where a lot of people think their ego/persona is worth a lot. 
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| Posted: Mon, 8th Dec 2014 19:09 Post subject: |
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I knew internet battles were serious business, but this one has taken it to the next level.
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| Posted: Sat, 13th Dec 2014 21:54 Post subject: |
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| sabin1981 wrote: |
@red_avatar
I'm genuinely surprised about the iCP2 KS failing. Aren't they the same team behind the Pandora handheld? Is there any chance I could ask you to C/P (or screencap, whatever) the last five or so KS updates? I'd love to see what's going on but they're locked behind a backer wall. These ones, in particular, if that's possible?
Update #39, 44, 45, 46 and 47?
No worries if you can't/won't, but thanks regardless. |
Most are about refunding part of the money - the real story was told on the Pandora forums. Basically, the main guy fucked up in a dozen ways and left someone else to clean up the mess. Basically, they had a prototype and the idiot then decided to come up with a radically different design where the buttons were LED-backlit. Turns out (a) the LEDs needed had just tripled in price and become rather scarce (b) the new mould had tons of structural issues (c) the PCBs had loads of trouble being configured. All because of a last minute change.
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