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tonizito
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 Posted: Wed, 22nd Oct 2014 12:58 Post subject: Modern age system upgrade time, finally! |
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So I'll finally do the big upgrade coming early December 
But I'm still on the fence, AMD or Intel?
I can afford Intel but would save some (always needed) money with AMD. I'm not really interested on most upcoming games aside from TW3, so on one hand AMD seems like a sane choice. However considering the current gap between Intel and AMD and taking into account my current experience (I can remember a few cases with my Q8200 trashing pumpy's phenom X4 from the same year on X game's performance  ), Intel would probably last me longer, especially with a decent OC.
I have no choice but to keep my puny HD6850 for now, that will be fun with TW3 
I'll be getting Mobo, Cpu and RAM, my max budget is 370€ (enough to buy 4670K + decent mobo + 8GB RAMz), guess I'd save at least ~70€ going AMDerp.
So, which one?
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ClaudeFTW
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| Posted: Wed, 22nd Oct 2014 13:05 Post subject: |
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What's your current system?
R7 2700x @4GHz / MSI B450 Tomahawk / beQuiet! Dark Rock 4 / 32GB @3000 MHz / MSI RTX 2060 Gaming Z / Samsung 850 EVO 250GB / Western Digital 1TB / Fractal Design Meshify C Dark / SuperFlower Leadex Gold 650W / DELL whatever 27 inch IPS
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| Posted: Wed, 22nd Oct 2014 13:06 Post subject: |
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| ClaudeFTW wrote: | | What's your current system? |
Q8200?
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tonizito
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| Posted: Wed, 22nd Oct 2014 13:13 Post subject: |
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Wasting money on CF (or SLI for that matter)? And with 1GB VRAMz cards? You insane, kurwa? 
Excellent point on the power consumption, though.
My current system is:
Gigabyte EP45-UDR3
Intel Q8200@3.33GHz
4GB DDR2 1066
Powercolor HD6850
Samsung EVO 840 120GB
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ClaudeFTW
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| Posted: Wed, 22nd Oct 2014 13:16 Post subject: |
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Get the i5. I don't regret it, it's pretty great. The AMD FX8320 is pretty much on par with but it's hot as hell and power hungry. The FX6300 might also be a valid choice. And to save some cash I'd get a non-K i5 and a H97 board.
R7 2700x @4GHz / MSI B450 Tomahawk / beQuiet! Dark Rock 4 / 32GB @3000 MHz / MSI RTX 2060 Gaming Z / Samsung 850 EVO 250GB / Western Digital 1TB / Fractal Design Meshify C Dark / SuperFlower Leadex Gold 650W / DELL whatever 27 inch IPS
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tonizito
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| Posted: Wed, 22nd Oct 2014 13:20 Post subject: |
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| ClaudeFTW wrote: | | Get the i5. I don't regret it, it's pretty great. The AMD FX8320 is pretty much on par with but it's hot as hell and power hungry. The FX6300 might also be a valid choice. And to save some cash I'd get a non-K i5 and a H97 board. |
But that might compromise to some point my future OC plans. Not that non K can't be OC'ed, it's just harder to do so and I guess that would be easier on a Z97 mobo too?
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tonizito
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| Posted: Wed, 22nd Oct 2014 13:23 Post subject: |
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| sabin1981 wrote: | My old 570 is still yours if you want it, kurwa! It's not much but it should be a fairly decent upgrade from a 6850  Or you could get another 6850 for Crossfire, even with 1GB of RAM; you'll notice that bump, a lot. |
Well... yeah. But, wouldn't you still be GPU-less? 
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Werelds
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| Posted: Wed, 22nd Oct 2014 13:25 Post subject: |
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Don't even consider the money saved from power consumption, when you start overclocking all of that goes out the window for one. And even with 24/365 usage on a 50W difference (which it isn't between AMD and Intel, unless you look at AMD's 95xx) at 22 cents per KW/h (pretty average price here in NL), that evens out to 96 EUR per year. With a more realistic 10/365 (which is still quite a lot) it's 40 EUR or so. Power consumption matters because of the associated heat generated, not because of the money saved.
And no, don't go for non-K, you can't overclock those. It's not "harder", you just can't do it. The few MHz you can theoretically squeeze out of them don't matter.
Just get the 4670K; the 8320/8350 in my opinion still is a valid option from a pure performance point of view. It keeps up with Intel just fine in games, but it does run quite a bit hotter. Considering you're probably not looking at getting a custom cooler (and thus not overclocking) straight away, I'd say the Intel is the better choice because of that.
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ClaudeFTW
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| Posted: Wed, 22nd Oct 2014 13:26 Post subject: |
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| tonizito wrote: | | ClaudeFTW wrote: | | Get the i5. I don't regret it, it's pretty great. The AMD FX8320 is pretty much on par with but it's hot as hell and power hungry. The FX6300 might also be a valid choice. And to save some cash I'd get a non-K i5 and a H97 board. |
But that might compromise to some point my future OC plans. Not that non K can't be OC'ed, it's just harder to do so and I guess that would be easier on a Z97 mobo too? |
I guess it's settled then, it seems you want a K CPU along with a Z board. Get that. I don't know, I would recommend AMD if the wattage would be smaller, but other than that, in the long run...just like Mortibus said... there isn't much of a difference.
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tonizito
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| Posted: Wed, 22nd Oct 2014 13:33 Post subject: |
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| Werelds wrote: | | And no, don't go for non-K, you can't overclock those. It's not "harder", you just can't do it. The few MHz you can theoretically squeeze out of them don't matter. |
Well, that settles it. I thought that it was only limited by a fixed multiplier and that somehow it was possible to do some old school OC (although that FSB multiplier is gonegonegone for a while now).
| boundle (thoughts on cracking AITD) wrote: | | i guess thouth if without a legit key the installation was rolling back we are all fucking then |
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| Posted: Wed, 22nd Oct 2014 13:40 Post subject: |
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intel 4670k@4.5ghz will use about the same wattage as amd fx 8350 stock
personally i can't see any difference between 3.5 and 4.5 ghz, maybe some minimum fps +-5-10 which only makes difference in abysmal ports like DR3 and EW
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| Posted: Wed, 22nd Oct 2014 13:49 Post subject: |
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Well I've certainly noticed the impressive difference between stock and OC on every chip I've ever owned, I don't know how someone can *not* notice.
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tonizito
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| Posted: Wed, 22nd Oct 2014 14:17 Post subject: |
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STOP IT KURWAS! 
Motherboard ASRock Z97 Pro3
Motherboard MSI Z97M-G43
Motherboard MSI Z97-G43
Motherboard ASRock Z97 Pro4
Motherboard MSI Z97 Guard Pro
These are around my price point and I believe that ASRock has been coming up quality wise on the last few years. Any more suggestions around this price point?
| boundle (thoughts on cracking AITD) wrote: | | i guess thouth if without a legit key the installation was rolling back we are all fucking then |
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| Posted: Wed, 22nd Oct 2014 14:18 Post subject: |
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coming up? I had asrock since intel pentium 4 and it was rock solid, never had problems, msi is good as well
mainly avoiding asus
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tonizito
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| Posted: Wed, 22nd Oct 2014 14:25 Post subject: |
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Coming up in the sense of having more and more people recommending it online.
Personaly, I still have one of these unholy beasts with a custom mounted scythe cooler working at home without any issues 
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ClaudeFTW
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| Posted: Wed, 22nd Oct 2014 14:35 Post subject: |
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Yeah, their RMA process is pretty shit(ASUS). If you get a good board from the start-up, it should still be pretty great. Although at that price point I'd rather get an MSI, ASRock or a Gigabyte. Dat MSI Z97 gaming 5 or 7, OH LAWD. Will probably get it since my current board doesn't really stand out with anything besides my previous board with anything except 4 PCIe slots.
R7 2700x @4GHz / MSI B450 Tomahawk / beQuiet! Dark Rock 4 / 32GB @3000 MHz / MSI RTX 2060 Gaming Z / Samsung 850 EVO 250GB / Western Digital 1TB / Fractal Design Meshify C Dark / SuperFlower Leadex Gold 650W / DELL whatever 27 inch IPS
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tonizito
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| Posted: Wed, 22nd Oct 2014 14:54 Post subject: |
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| ClaudeFTW wrote: | | Dat MSI Z97 gaming 5 or 7, OH LAWD |
145€/175€ 
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ClaudeFTW
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| Posted: Wed, 22nd Oct 2014 15:05 Post subject: |
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Werelds
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| Posted: Wed, 22nd Oct 2014 16:26 Post subject: |
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10 FPS in minimum FPS makes a huge difference unless you've got shit in your eyes.
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| Posted: Wed, 22nd Oct 2014 16:27 Post subject: |
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10 fps between 88 and 98 makes zero difference, then again i usually use soap to wash my face, dunno about you
let's take shit port EW which with my current config i can run stable at 30 fps sometimes droping in to 27 which is about same performance with the same config but i7 4770k@4.7ghz, so yeah whatever
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| Posted: Wed, 22nd Oct 2014 16:49 Post subject: |
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Don't be stupid. Wait for Skylake. The past 3 years Intel has done few improvements for desktop processors since glorious Sandy bridge.
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| Posted: Wed, 22nd Oct 2014 17:02 Post subject: |
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I have bought 2 z97 motherboards this year, asus and gigabyte, and purely from software perspective i prefer asus. Gigabytes fan control software is so shitty compared to asus ai suite. Manually tuning fan curves with gigabyte software was pain in the ass.
Also my gigabyte board had 'killer lan' chip and driver package for it also sucked ass. Even win 8 doesn't have those inbuilt so i needed to transfer them from other computer, but their driver package comes with some shitty network prioritising software(useless bloatware). So i had to manually extract driver from windows folder and uninstall that driver package and then reinstall only driver part. They don't offer driver only zip or smth anywhere.
Not that any of this was hard or anything, but it was annoying as hell.
In the end gigabyte software part wasn't very good and hassle free, but it had newer hardware interfaces(m2 and sata express support). Both motherboards were around 140€.
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