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_SiN_
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 Posted: Thu, 20th Nov 2014 14:24 Post subject: To upgrade or not? |
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Since you fellas always have opinions and most of the time, facts, about wether people should or should not upgrade, I come here for your advice 
My current system:
i7 2600k, 4.5Ghz with a H100i
MSI Z68A GD55 mobo
16Gb RAM
GTX 680 2Gb
Samsung EVO 250 Gb
Antec 650W PSU
Fractal Arc case
+ various bits like a Scythe Kaze Master fan controller, beQuiet SilentWings fans etc.
I use my PC for both gaming and a lot of video and photo editing, though nothing super heavy, Canon 1080p-clips mostly. But the 16Gb RAM is definitely a must, since I often run a lot of CC apps at the same time (PS, Ae, Premiere, Illustrator etc).
What I am thinking of building:
i7 4790k
Gigabyte GA-Z97X-SLI mobo
HyperX Fury 16Gb 1600Mhz 2x8Gb
Gigabyte GeForce GTX 970 Windforce 3X OC
Fractal 750W 80+ Modular
I'd reuse my Evo 250Gb SSD as system drive.
Some case, Corsair Carbide or similar. As long as it's stealthy
No aftermarket cooler to begin with, I'm not as OC-obsessed as I used to be  But I am thinking of getting a closed WC-solution like the H100i later on, just not right away.
What do you all think? To go or no? Hopefully I would be able to sell my current rig to nearly halve the price of the new one.
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tw1st
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| Posted: Thu, 20th Nov 2014 14:26 Post subject: |
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If you can get the parts for some decent pricing, yeah that'll definitely be a nice upgrade for you. Especially since you are selling your old rig, the money shouldn't be too bad.
You mention not really doing overclocking, why the the K series CPU then?
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_SiN_
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| Posted: Thu, 20th Nov 2014 15:14 Post subject: |
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video card yes, rest still looks good to me
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| Posted: Thu, 20th Nov 2014 15:56 Post subject: |
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| Mortibus wrote: | | video card yes, rest still looks good to me |
An alternative would be to try and sell the 680 and just get a 970.. But building a new outright is tempting.
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couleur
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| Posted: Thu, 20th Nov 2014 16:08 Post subject: |
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A complete upgrade seems like a huge waste of money to me, since the CPU-upgrade will give you nothing but a few points in benchmarks and a few measly seconds in some Video converting stuff. I guess if you just went and reinstalled a fresh copy of Windows on your old machine, you would not feel any difference at all to the new machine.
A PSU upgrade, especially if you are going to use a 970 is completely useless, even more so than the CPU upgrade. Seriously.
If you really feel the urge and want to waste money, go for 5xxxK and build something around more cores.
My advice: Go for the 970 and wait for Skylake.
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_SiN_
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| Posted: Thu, 20th Nov 2014 16:12 Post subject: |
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| couleur wrote: | A complete upgrade seems like a huge waste of money to me, since the CPU-upgrade will give you nothing but a few points in benchmarks and a few measly seconds in some Video converting stuff.
A PSU upgrade, especially if you are going to use a 970 is completely useless, even more so than the CPU upgrade. Seriously.
If you really feel the urge and want to waste money, go for 5xxxK and build something around more cores.
My advice: Go for the 970 and wait for Skylake. |
I realized when you mentioned it that the PSU is overkill, I blame the fact that it was in my shopping cart before I began on that  But 970 SLI would be nice in the future..
But yeah, 680 to 970 is an option, if I don't find a buyer on my current build. I'm gonna ask around and see if anyone wants it, if yes, I'll go for it. If not, I'll try selling just the 680 and get a 970. With GTA V (hopefully) coming out in January, I want to be upgraded by then. I NEED to run V with max settings at 2560x1080.
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| Posted: Thu, 20th Nov 2014 16:14 Post subject: |
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just buy a GTX980. you don't need anything else at this time, your specs are fine.
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sausje
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| Posted: Thu, 20th Nov 2014 16:18 Post subject: |
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yeah no fucking way i'm even remotely close to thinking about replacing my 2600k and the rest of my hardware (except GFX maybe).. You are just fine with what you have already, just throw in a new card and it's all good 
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couleur
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| Posted: Thu, 20th Nov 2014 16:21 Post subject: |
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| _SiN_ wrote: |
But yeah, 680 to 970 is an option, if I don't find a buyer on my current build. I'm gonna ask around and see if anyone wants it, if yes, I'll go for it. If not, I'll try selling just the 680 and get a 970. With GTA V (hopefully) coming out in January, I want to be upgraded by then. I NEED to run V with max settings at 2560x1080. |
I understand that about GTAV but I'm quite certain that having a 4790K over a 2600K is not going to make any difference at all. That 970 on the other hand...
"Enlightenment is man's emergence from his self-imposed nonage. Nonage is the inability to use one's own understanding without another's guidance. This nonage is self-imposed if its cause lies not in lack of understanding but in indecision and lack of courage to use one's own mind without another's guidance. Dare to know! (Sapere aude.) "Have the courage to use your own understanding," is therefore the motto of the enlightenment."
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| Posted: Thu, 20th Nov 2014 16:39 Post subject: |
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| couleur wrote: |
My advice: Go for the 970 and wait for Skylake. |
THIS (specially Skylake)
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| Posted: Thu, 20th Nov 2014 17:01 Post subject: |
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I understand that in games, the 4790k will not make any difference. But the 4790 has to be noticeably faster when rendering video and working with previewing/working with projects in Premiere and After Effects etc? I mean just rendering a high bitrate 1080p mkv in Premiere uses 100% of all 4+4 cores on my 2600k (as it should), and I'm guessing the 4790k does the same job in a shorter amount of time..
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sausje
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| Posted: Thu, 20th Nov 2014 17:23 Post subject: |
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Well SiN, you have to think that it's not very long before the new stuff hits the market. You really can't wait for another ~4 months or so before upgrading? Is it really a MUST to do it now?
Price for parts will roughly be the same for the new stuff too, so that shouldn't be a factor.
Why settle with a ~15% increase overall if you can get more for the same price by just waiting a couple more months?
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couleur
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| Posted: Thu, 20th Nov 2014 17:35 Post subject: |
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broadwell will just be a shrink and Skylake K CPUs are likely to be availabke in more than a year. Waiting for broadwell doesnt seem that useful to me.
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sausje
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| Posted: Thu, 20th Nov 2014 19:00 Post subject: |
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| paxsali wrote: | | How long did you run your i7-2600K on 4.5Ghz? And is that a show-off setup or actually stable for everyday use? |
lol? 4.5GHz on 2600k a "show-off"? Change that value to 5GHz++ to be "show-off".
I run 4.3GHz without voltage change even 
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| Posted: Fri, 21st Nov 2014 11:59 Post subject: |
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Broadwell is 3% faster than haswell clock vs clock, i would not hold my breath and wait for it. Might be good overclockers due to small power consumption, but we will see. If you want to upgrade, just do it now, never wait for upgrade (you can also get now pretty good money from that 2600K setup).
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| Posted: Fri, 21st Nov 2014 12:12 Post subject: |
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yes, times of massive performance gains are over, at least for now. some people still wait and expect to experience performance gain like like they had when upgraded from P4 or C2 Duo to 2500K. that's just not happening in any foreseeable future. it's been incremental few percentage upgrades for years now.
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| Posted: Fri, 21st Nov 2014 13:20 Post subject: |
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Would $850-ish be an ok price for my current build? What would be included (an SSD not mentioned before for example)
- i7 2600k @4.5Ghz, with a setup for 4.2 if the user wants. Runs cooler when stressed.
- Corsair Hydro H100i
- 4x beQuiet SilentWings in push/pull config
- 16Gb Corsair 1600Mhz RAM
- MSI Z68A GD55 mobo
- Geforce GTX 680 2Gb
- Corsair ForceGT 90Gb SSD
- Antec TruePower Classic 650W 80+ Gold Modular PSU
- Fractal Design Arc case
- Scythe Kaze Master fan controller (digital display with individual adjustment knobs etc)
- 4 additional Corsair case fans
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| Posted: Fri, 21st Nov 2014 18:02 Post subject: |
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How much are you getting the H100i for? They're really not that great, the whole i series was a complete waste with the amount of issues they had.
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| Posted: Fri, 21st Nov 2014 18:42 Post subject: |
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| _SiN_ wrote: | | So, are you suggesting I wait for Broadwell? Because isn't Skylake pretty far away as couleur says? |
Yeah my bad, i thought Skylake was up next.. but i forgot that they pushed it further away 
But if you can sell your old pc for at least half the price the new parts costs, than why not.. Seems you got money to burn 
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| Posted: Fri, 21st Nov 2014 18:50 Post subject: |
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| SpykeZ wrote: | | How much are you getting the H100i for? They're really not that great, the whole i series was a complete waste with the amount of issues they had. |
As couleur said, that's my current rig, which I'm thinking of selling. I have no idea how others found the H100i to work for them, but I have to say it has worked very well for me, keeping temps decently low. I also used Arctic Silver 5 and a push/pull setup on the radiator.
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| Posted: Fri, 21st Nov 2014 19:55 Post subject: |
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I don't know how HW is priced there, but I'd sell if someone offered me 850 euros for that system.
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| Posted: Fri, 21st Nov 2014 19:57 Post subject: |
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850$ would be around 680 euro
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| Posted: Fri, 21st Nov 2014 20:29 Post subject: |
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| Mortibus wrote: | | 850$ would be around 680 euro |
I know, that was not my point.
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| Posted: Fri, 21st Nov 2014 20:36 Post subject: |
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in this case, 850$ equals €850... seeing as the hardware is the same price in $ as in €, just the currency changed
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| Posted: Sat, 22nd Nov 2014 05:58 Post subject: |
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If you do anything but game with your machine look into the 5820k. It's the least expensive of the Haswell-e series, overclocks very well and performs well in games. The fact that it's got six cores is even better for productivity tasks.
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