As I couldn't settle on a wireless headphone I bought a M40x. It isn't the most comfortable (although it gets a bit better now it's worn) but I like the sound quality. There's a locking mechanism for its own cables but it's pretty easy to remove and all 2.5mm cables fit. Might make it wireless in the future with a BT transmitter/receiver, we'll see
I need a new pair of headphones. My old Sennheiser HD's are dead (not just cable, the ear-"muffs" dried out and is falling apart). I have a limited budget and I was thinking AKG 240 Studio since I had AKG 240'ies many years ago and they were great. I know the newer generations aren't quite as good but they're a lot cheaper at the same time and I'm not really an audiophile.
As opposed to the original ones I had, these are semi-open which isn't a problem. Anyone on the board with experience of these AKG 240 Studio headphones?
Quote:
Circumaural
Semi open
Dynamic
Play through new XXL capsule
Impedance: 55 Ω
Frequency range: 15 - 25,000 Hz
Sensitivity: 91 dB / mW
Total harmonic distortion <0,3 %
Max. input level: 200 mW
Automatic headband adjustment for perfect fit
Cable on one side for convenience
Detachable cable with mini XLR connector
Cable length: 3m
Gold-plated 3.5 mm stereo jack
Weight with cable: 284 g
Weight without cable: 229 g
6.3 mm jack adaptor included
Design ---Over-Ear
System --- Semi Open
Impedance --- 55 Ohms
Frequency range --- 15 Hz – 25000 Hz
Adapter --- Yes
Replacable Cable --- Yes
Marrone/Argento --- Black
Needed to get new wireless headphones so i went for Apple Airpods Max ( yes i know)... I bought them mainly for the good noise cancellation + transparency mode which is better than anything else on the market, but im surpriesed that they actually sound good aswell, the bass is very nice, its goes deep and doesnt sound boomy shit, very well controlled with great extension, overall its very "easy to listen" headphones for certain genres. Now the noise cancellation.... god damn so good, it removes every single sound from my "office", i mean its so insane that i feel like i would be in space or something Transparency mode is also very impressive, have not heard anything this good before, it sounds very natural. Build quality is also top notch, these even makes my DT1990 pro headphones feel cheap (mainly on the hinge part), the hinge mechanism feels like it will last forever (the stiff sliding is so satisfying), not sure about the mesh part, but it seems its very durable, its the same thing as on herman miller aero chairs. One thing, im surprised they work on Windows 10 pretty much the same as they do on my iPhone.
Needed to get new wireless headphones so i went for Apple Airpods Max ( yes i know)... I bought them mainly for the good noise cancellation + transparency mode which is better than anything else on the market, but im surpriesed that they actually sound good aswell, the bass is very nice, its goes deep and doesnt sound boomy shit, very well controlled with great extension, overall its very "easy to listen" headphones for certain genres. Now the noise cancellation.... god damn so good, it removes every single sound from my "office", i mean its so insane that i feel like i would be in space or something Transparency mode is also very impressive, have not heard anything this good before, it sounds very natural. Build quality is also top notch, these even makes my DT1990 pro headphones feel cheap (mainly on the hinge part), the hinge mechanism feels like it will last forever (the stiff sliding is so satisfying), not sure about the mesh part, but it seems its very durable, its the same thing as on herman miller aero chairs. One thing, im surprised they work on Windows 10 pretty much the same as they do on my iPhone.
Does not seem like a bad choice.
I switched to sony pulse 3d few months ago... and I am super happy.
No hiss, noise, stutter, lag. Wireless is perfect in this case. The headphones are comfortable and sound fantastic.
F that fiio dac amp bullshit and audiophile headphones. I just wasted money before....
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Needed to get new wireless headphones so i went for Apple Airpods Max ( yes i know)... I bought them mainly for the good noise cancellation + transparency mode which is better than anything else on the market, but im surpriesed that they actually sound good aswell, the bass is very nice, its goes deep and doesnt sound boomy shit, very well controlled with great extension, overall its very "easy to listen" headphones for certain genres. Now the noise cancellation.... god damn so good, it removes every single sound from my "office", i mean its so insane that i feel like i would be in space or something Transparency mode is also very impressive, have not heard anything this good before, it sounds very natural. Build quality is also top notch, these even makes my DT1990 pro headphones feel cheap (mainly on the hinge part), the hinge mechanism feels like it will last forever (the stiff sliding is so satisfying), not sure about the mesh part, but it seems its very durable, its the same thing as on herman miller aero chairs. One thing, im surprised they work on Windows 10 pretty much the same as they do on my iPhone.
Don't get me wrong. You might still enjoy then and nothing wrong with that. Sadly they feel like a missed opportunity in terms of Apple's resources, headphone's price tag and the competition among 'fashion headphones'.
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So no experience with the current generation AKG 240 Studio???
For ~10 € more I can get the AKG 240 MKII. I need to search for reviews online.
I know that AKG 240'ies in the 70'ies, 80'ies and 90'ies were considered professional with great quality and sound reproduction (I had a pair of those and they were absolutely fantastic albeit the ears got sweaty etc. since since they were closed), hence being one of the main headphones used in mix/master studios and they cost a LOT more than the ones I'm looking at.
So no experience with the current generation AKG 240 Studio???
For ~10 € more I can get the AKG 240 MKII. I need to search for reviews online.
I know that AKG 240'ies in the 70'ies, 80'ies and 90'ies were considered professional with great quality and sound reproduction (I had a pair of those and they were absolutely fantastic albeit the ears got sweaty etc. since since they were closed), hence being one of the main headphones used in mix/master studios and they cost a LOT more than the ones I'm looking at.
Look at the k371. Heard some good things
3080, ps5, lg oled
Sin317-"im 31 years old and still surprised at how much shit comes out of my ass actually ..."
SteamDRM-"Call of Duty is the symbol of the true perfection in every aspect. Call of Duty games are like Mozart's/Beethoven's symphonies"
deadpoetic-"are you new to the cyberspace?"
Needed to get new wireless headphones so i went for Apple Airpods Max ( yes i know)... I bought them mainly for the good noise cancellation + transparency mode which is better than anything else on the market, but im surpriesed that they actually sound good aswell, the bass is very nice, its goes deep and doesnt sound boomy shit, very well controlled with great extension, overall its very "easy to listen" headphones for certain genres. Now the noise cancellation.... god damn so good, it removes every single sound from my "office", i mean its so insane that i feel like i would be in space or something Transparency mode is also very impressive, have not heard anything this good before, it sounds very natural. Build quality is also top notch, these even makes my DT1990 pro headphones feel cheap (mainly on the hinge part), the hinge mechanism feels like it will last forever (the stiff sliding is so satisfying), not sure about the mesh part, but it seems its very durable, its the same thing as on herman miller aero chairs. One thing, im surprised they work on Windows 10 pretty much the same as they do on my iPhone.
Don't get me wrong. You might still enjoy then and nothing wrong with that. Sadly they feel like a missed opportunity in terms of Apple's resources, headphone's price tag and the competition among 'fashion headphones'.
You should listen them yourself before posting this measurement article, i know it can be hard to swallow that they actually sound pretty good, there is one big problem on that measurement article, why the guy is measuring these on windows machine with some shit bluetooth dongle? Why.... If he wants to measure the sound on PC, he should have used it with the type C digital to analog converter cable or in wireless mode with good motherboard and built in latest bluetooth (and with firmware upgrade) , or just use them with apple machine where wireless quality is better and they are made for, jesus christ. They sound really good for my music, im impressed by the performance, they were 499€ which is good deal for them tbh, they have been before 600-649€, i had the Sony latest Sony WH-1000XM4 in test aswell and they sounded bad compared to these, so the extra 200€ was worth it for me.
SpykeZ wrote:
Breezer_ wrote:
No because they dont actually do what Apple does and they are in ear which i hate, not sure why you are even comparing them.
Didn't realize the retards used the airpod name for both in ear and over the ear lol
Needed to get new wireless headphones so i went for Apple Airpods Max ( yes i know)... I bought them mainly for the good noise cancellation + transparency mode which is better than anything else on the market, but im surpriesed that they actually sound good aswell, the bass is very nice, its goes deep and doesnt sound boomy shit, very well controlled with great extension, overall its very "easy to listen" headphones for certain genres. Now the noise cancellation.... god damn so good, it removes every single sound from my "office", i mean its so insane that i feel like i would be in space or something Transparency mode is also very impressive, have not heard anything this good before, it sounds very natural. Build quality is also top notch, these even makes my DT1990 pro headphones feel cheap (mainly on the hinge part), the hinge mechanism feels like it will last forever (the stiff sliding is so satisfying), not sure about the mesh part, but it seems its very durable, its the same thing as on herman miller aero chairs. One thing, im surprised they work on Windows 10 pretty much the same as they do on my iPhone.
Don't get me wrong. You might still enjoy then and nothing wrong with that. Sadly they feel like a missed opportunity in terms of Apple's resources, headphone's price tag and the competition among 'fashion headphones'.
You should listen them yourself before posting this measurement article, i know it can be hard to swallow that they actually sound pretty good, there is one big problem on that measurement article, why the guy is measuring these on windows machine with some shit bluetooth dongle? Why.... If he wants to measure the sound on PC, he should have used it with the type C digital to analog converter cable or in wireless mode with good motherboard and built in latest bluetooth (and with firmware upgrade) , or just use them with apple machine where wireless quality is better and they are made for, jesus christ. They sound really good for my music, im impressed by the performance, they were 499€ which is good deal for them tbh, they have been before 600-649€, i had the Sony latest Sony WH-1000XM4 in test aswell and they sounded bad compared to these, so the extra 200€ was worth it for me.
SpykeZ wrote:
Breezer_ wrote:
No because they dont actually do what Apple does and they are in ear which i hate, not sure why you are even comparing them.
Didn't realize the retards used the airpod name for both in ear and over the ear lol
You should listen them yourself before posting this measurement article, i know it can be hard to swallow that they actually sound pretty good, there is one big problem on that measurement article, why the guy is measuring these on windows machine with some shit bluetooth dongle? Why.... If he wants to measure the sound on PC, he should have used it with the type C digital to analog converter cable or in wireless mode with good motherboard and built in latest bluetooth (and with firmware upgrade) , or just use them with apple machine where wireless quality is better and they are made for, jesus christ
boundle (thoughts on cracking AITD) wrote:
i guess thouth if without a legit key the installation was rolling back we are all fucking then
The apple version of bluetooth AAC codec works best on apple devices, on android it works like shit, on windows PC you can achieve good results (with good bluetooth card), but you cant have apple extra software shit turned on. These headphones sound pretty different when you use them on iPhone with "headphone accommodations" setting turned on vs on my Windows desktop with onboard high quality bluetooth connection. They are not perfect headphones, but very good wireless noise canceling ones, there are no such thing as perfect headphones, on its class they are the best overall, no matter how hard audiophiles are twisting it. Seems that they bash it because of the price(which is funny, since audiophile world is full of overpriced shit) and just because its Apple product. That topic is good read what escalibur posted, there are pretty mixed opinions, the hardcore audiophiles seems to be most mad (the ones that buy 1000 dollar USB cables).
That topic is good read what escalibur posted, there are pretty mixed opinions, the hardcore audiophiles seems to be most mad (the ones that buy 1000 dollar USB cables).
1000 dollar usb cables? are you talking about the audiosciencereview thread?
The apple version of bluetooth AAC codec works best on apple devices, on android it works like shit, on windows PC you can achieve good results (with good bluetooth card), but you cant have apple extra software shit turned on.
Isn't that the same as saying Bose speakers sound 'good' as long as you use their specific EQ, otherwise they sound like crap speakers?
If ya need software to make speakers sound good. They are not all that great
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If ya need software to make speakers sound good. They are not all that great
I wonder though if this hard to do for headphones. The ones i linked to above (Dan Clark Stealth) have one of the closest to the ideal frequency response, but seem to require an amplifier to drive. And this might because built in eq might require a drop in efficiency/sensitivity. Maybe we need to normalize using EQ?
With passive speakers we may similar issues. With powered systems on the other hand, they better come with built-in EQ, if that is necessary.
Equalizer and Amplifier are two completely different things. Speakers needing an amp and needing an equalizer are also two different things. ALL speakers need an amplifier, just depends on if the one you plug into is enough or not by itself: Phone, PC, headphone Jack on stereo..etc.
And passive speakers and powered speakers are the same thing, just one has the amplifier on the outside (passive) vs inside the box (powered).
If you are talking EQ curves in powered being 'baked' into the amplifier. That's technically a horrible idea. Anyone/any company hard setting unchangeable EQ DB gain is doing so to make up for lacking drivers [speakers]. Like Bose 901 equalizer. They WAY overdrive some frequencies because the drivers they use are bad at producing them at flat range wattage. Bose as a company unofficial motto is: "We make bad speakers sound relatively OK and charge you good speaker prices to do it."
Not saying equalizers are bad, not at all. Sometimes you want to correct for room acoustics or prefer more or less response in some frequencies for your personal tastes vs a true flat response curve..etc.
A good pair of headphones should sound good no matter what amplifier you use unless the amplifier is shit and coloring the sound itself. A good amplifier just...amplifies the signal not change it. But if the headphones require a specific equalizer/software to sound good, its trying to make up for what the speakers cannot do by over coloring it so it gets out 'close enough'.
In the end, if it sounds good to you, use it. Who cares 'why' it sounds good to you. Your the one listening to it right?
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My question was, that maybe headphones needing EQ wouldn't be such a bad thing, if EQ was easy and normal to use everywhere? Many headphones for example have an anemic bass response (even super expensive ones like the Sennheiser HD800S) and in some cases that can be fixed by EQ (again, like the Sennheiser) by throwing more energy at the problem in that range. This obviously requires more power, which in a home setting with a dedicated headphone amp is easy. With a phone it might not be feasible at all, because there is not enough headroom. Alternatively, you could probably easily take that headphone and bake that EQ into the headphone design in some analog way that does not count as EQ. Now you have a headphone that sounds good everywhere, but does not get loud with a smartphone. Is that better? Maybe it would better if the headphone manufacture distributes EQ parameters and makes it easy to use for every relevant platform.
The reason I mentioned "powered" vs passive was because the former is in a better position to include a DSP as well.
Just because BOSE uses a method in a stupid way does not mean, that the method itself is stupid. If building a speaker is just cheaper using EQ instead of developing a driver that has the same output response, why choose the latter?
A newer development in professional monitor seems to be DSP controlled active speakers. Here is one: Neumann KH-80 DSP. When just opening the Genelec homepage you are greeted by their measurement system (GLM 4.1), that controls the internal DSPs of their speakers.
The stock "tuning" on speakers and headphones is basically EQ, nothing wrong in using EQ tbh. Apple headphones for example have so much tech inside, not only they have amp but the DSP inside has adaptive EQ, the sensors inside ear cups changes sound depending how they fit your ear size. You can always EQ the hell out of things... i use EQ for my Beyerdynamic DT1990 for the harsh treble, you can also add bass if you want, the headphones have shitloads of room for bass and its well controlled, Genelec DSP is mostly used for room correction.
@Nui
OH ok misunderstood what you mean, thats on me
I myself prefer flat response and to tweak EQ to what I need. In headphones I get ones that sound good as a 'bare bones out of the box' set as a starting place. Might just be me. I rather know where the lacking lies and know how/why I had to tweak it.
As for the: If building a speaker is just cheaper using EQ instead of developing a driver that has the same output response, why choose the latter?
Personal taste/preference in usage I suppose?
I never seen any that needed pre-tweaking to sound good, that sounded good across all types of sounds vs good drivers that sound good across the same. Since when they EQ tweak it, its for a subjective 'type' of ballpark music/sound/whatever.
For example ones that tweak to give punchy bass with EQ, usually sound like a thumping a garbage can with water in it when trying to do low rumbling bass or LFE. Or treble that sounds pretty good on pop/rock but like glass shoved in your ear for classical or cymbal heavy drums.
For example the Bose 601 my friend has sounds actually pretty good with classical or classic rock like pink floyd. But the woofers sound like they are having a violent seizure and tweeters trying to cut glass with a butter knife for bassy techno or heavy metal.
(if your old enough to remember Circuit City stores..of if you had them at all there. They ALWAYS demo'd them with Classical music or "Money" by pink floyd for the coin/register bell sound to show you how good the treble and stereo separation was).
Not to mention the exponentially more powerful amplifier you need. Say you add 20db EQ to bass (extreme but just for sake of big example): One watt=90 dB. One hundred watts, or 100X more power=110 dB. You need 100x the power to do that.
So a 20watt/channel amplifier will not sound as good or loud with EQ tweaked drivers as on good drivers. It will clip far sooner. As EQ is always before amplifier [so that power doubling per 3db rule: Every 3DB of gain added is 2x the power needed], you cannot EQ after the amplifier, as you need something to 'amplify' that change. (You CAN cut after, but never boost.).
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yes i know)... I bought them mainly for the good noise cancellation + transparency mode which is better than anything else on the market, but im surpriesed that they actually sound good aswell, the bass is very nice, its goes deep and doesnt sound boomy shit, very well controlled with great extension, overall its very "easy to listen" headphones for certain genres. Now the noise cancellation.... god damn so good, it removes every single sound from my "office", i mean its so insane that i feel like i would be in space or something 
Transparency mode is also very impressive, have not heard anything this good before, it sounds very natural. Build quality is also top notch, these even makes my DT1990 pro headphones feel cheap (mainly on the hinge part), the hinge mechanism feels like it will last forever (the stiff sliding is so satisfying), not sure about the mesh part, but it seems its very durable, its the same thing as on herman miller aero chairs. One thing, im surprised they work on Windows 10 pretty much the same as they do on my iPhone.
