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WaldoJ
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PostPosted: Fri, 28th Dec 2018 12:18    Post subject:
Its like a taletale game.
Pauses. Make choice.


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PostPosted: Fri, 28th Dec 2018 12:20    Post subject:
Il_Padrino wrote:
So how does it work in practice? You manually need to skip to a certain time or chapter?


No, you get two choices and click on one of them with your mouse or trackpad.

Edit:
I just had the option of choosing what cereal I want for breakfast... -.-


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PostPosted: Fri, 28th Dec 2018 12:39    Post subject:
think this is a weird decision - we play videogames to do this.

I suppose it's one way of stopping the piracy, can't exactly rip this to an x264 file Smile
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PostPosted: Fri, 28th Dec 2018 21:34    Post subject:
Black.Mirror.Bandersnatch.2018.720p.WEB-DL.x264.DUAL.Audio-NoGRP


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PostPosted: Sat, 29th Dec 2018 00:04    Post subject:
gibman70 wrote:
think this is a weird decision - we play videogames to do this.

I suppose it's one way of stopping the piracy, can't exactly rip this to an x264 file Smile


Sounds like the dawn of cd-drives for PC's with all the horrible "movie-games".

As for not ripping it to an x264 file, just rip each part and write a simple script where your choice plays a different part.


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PostPosted: Sat, 29th Dec 2018 06:52    Post subject:
Aint there 30 hrs of content?
Thatll be a mighty big file.
Though highly impressive if pulled off.
Could get some pirates a well paid gig.


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PostPosted: Sat, 29th Dec 2018 10:23    Post subject:
this format is nothing new, hbo released Mosaic by Steven Soderbergh a while back, first released on smartphone app then released as a 6 part mini series

Black.Mirror.Bandersnatch.2018.1080p.WEB.X264-DEFLATE
Notes: From the 250 available decision events, this is the default 68 choices Netflix have defined as the default \'linear\' timeline

https://www.reddit.com/r/blackmirror/comments/aajk5r/full_bandersnatch_flowchart_all_branches_story/


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PostPosted: Sat, 29th Dec 2018 12:35    Post subject:
ok I'll bite and download the 'default' timeline Smile
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PostPosted: Sat, 29th Dec 2018 13:26    Post subject:
WaldoJ wrote:
Aint there 30 hrs of content?
Thatll be a mighty big file.
Though highly impressive if pulled off.
Could get some pirates a well paid gig.


I heard the total footage is 2 hours and 30 minutes, divided in 250 segments. And an average playthrough runs for about 1 hour and 30 minutes. So that leaves another hour of footage you haven't seen yet, for future playthroughs.

As for the default timeline, Brooker himself chose it, so it should be ok I guess if the film itself is any good rather than relying on the gimmick to wow.


TWIN PEAKS is "something of a miracle."
"...like nothing else on television."
"a phenomenon."
"A tangled tale of sex, violence, power, junk food..."
"Like Nothing On Earth"

~ WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO SAY CAN ONLY BE SEEN ~

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHTUOgYNRzY
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PostPosted: Sat, 29th Dec 2018 13:32    Post subject:
In theory it should be possible to make a simple video game out of the complete footage and with the flowchart. Maybe even with a map that charts the choices already taken/not taken yet. Should even be better than the experience at Netflix.
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PostPosted: Sat, 29th Dec 2018 20:17    Post subject:
This is AWESOME. Signed up for Netflix free month and is "playing" the movie right now. It's so f'n awesome due to me having a Speccy in the 80'ies, listening to FGTH and my fave band Tangerine Dream. The Jet Set Willy-poster in his room just hits me with nostalgia like a bong-hit of White Widow/Northern Lights. The meta-narrative is excellent (esp. since you're taking part in it).

It fills so many check-boxes for me personally that I'm a serious fan of this thing.

Watching the rip absolutely ruins the whole point of it though.

And yes, it's possible to rip all separate parts and then script it like the Netflix original, it's just a major pain.


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PostPosted: Sat, 29th Dec 2018 23:20    Post subject:
Why does the first meaningful choice I make lead to a dead end Confused I'm forced to take the other path.

Second choice and another dead end. I thought this was about me choosing paths.

Finished it. I'd give it a 6.5/10 in the end.
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PostPosted: Sun, 30th Dec 2018 10:38    Post subject:
i say its overhyped because the majority who watched it never played telltale style games and missed oportunity because its too short to make any impactfull choices

if you hit a dead end it will foce you to the previous choice path and at this rate you get to see mostly all the paths untill the end. after watching on netflix i looked through the scene release and mostly its all there so you dont even need to watch it on netflix.

you can replicate it on youtube, probably somebody will do it in the future

i think HBO's Mosaic was better couse it was longer and instead of 250 little changes you get 3-4 big paths you can choose, basically telltale vs witcher 2 style


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PostPosted: Sun, 30th Dec 2018 14:07    Post subject:
I thought it was ok, nothing more. But I suppose totally different experience with the whole branching thing on netflix.

If the scene manage to make some kind of file where you can watch it with the branching options then I'll give it another go.
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PostPosted: Sun, 30th Dec 2018 15:44    Post subject:
Mister_s wrote:
Why does the first meaningful choice I make lead to a dead end Confused I'm forced to take the other path.

Second choice and another dead end. I thought this was about me choosing paths.

Finished it. I'd give it a 6.5/10 in the end.


It's about having the illusion of choice.
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PostPosted: Sun, 30th Dec 2018 20:11    Post subject:
Mister_s wrote:
Why does the first meaningful choice I make lead to a dead end Confused I'm forced to take the other path.

Second choice and another dead end. I thought this was about me choosing paths.

Finished it. I'd give it a 6.5/10 in the end.


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PostPosted: Sun, 30th Dec 2018 22:48    Post subject:
consolitis wrote:
consolitis wrote:
Season 4.

Ep1 - 8/10 Strong return for the series with a fun episode that also looks great.
Ep2 - 7/10 Decent.

More perhaps tomorrow?


Update: I didn't watch more. Sad Dunno, the first two episodes were nice and all but they were awfully familiar too. I shall watch the rest.. one day. Surprised


I ended up watching the rest of the season and it was cool. Metalhead was super cool even. I won't put any scores but the eps were at least 7/10.

Then I renewed Netflix to watch Bandersnatch and it was... meh. 5/10. I discovered the vast majority of the endings (I googled later), even some that were way too out there, but they did nothing for me really. They just seem random, and incompatible with each other, really.

Given Brooker's familiarity with video games, I find it peculiar and disappointing the weakest episodes he has produced are this and Season 3's "Playtest"!

Canceling my Netflix sub now. (Even if it was a good ep I would have canceled it anyway, I only just wanted to give this a try.)


TWIN PEAKS is "something of a miracle."
"...like nothing else on television."
"a phenomenon."
"A tangled tale of sex, violence, power, junk food..."
"Like Nothing On Earth"

~ WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO SAY CAN ONLY BE SEEN ~

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHTUOgYNRzY
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PostPosted: Sun, 30th Dec 2018 22:55    Post subject:
consolitis wrote:
consolitis wrote:
consolitis wrote:
Season 4.

Ep1 - 8/10 Strong return for the series with a fun episode that also looks great.
Ep2 - 7/10 Decent.

More perhaps tomorrow?


Update: I didn't watch more. Sad Dunno, the first two episodes were nice and all but they were awfully familiar too. I shall watch the rest.. one day. Surprised


I ended up watching the rest of the season and it was cool. Metalhead was super cool even. I won't put any scores but the eps were at least 7/10.

Then I renewed Netflix to watch Bandersnatch and it was... meh. 5/10. I discovered the vast majority of the endings (I googled later), even some that were way too out there, but they did nothing for me really. They just seem random, and incompatible with each other, really.

Given Brooker's familiarity with video games, I find it peculiar and disappointing the weakest episodes he has produced are this and Season 3's "Playtest"!

Canceling my Netflix sub now. (Even if it was a good ep I would have canceled it anyway, I only just wanted to give this a try.)


I agree with bandersnatch. Dont understand the hype. Played it. Got a bunch of endings. No real resolution for me. Nothing really cohesive. All felt like spoonfeeding the explanation of what i was watching. Would have worked as an ep. Story is solid. Execution is solid until chopping up body. After that an endless loop. Took me out of following the story until it finished...


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PostPosted: Mon, 31st Dec 2018 00:42    Post subject:
I just sampled the rip. Most of the choices and endings are there. So one can watch that. It just removes the element of making fake, pointless, choices, which for some reason is being hailed as amazomg-so-deeeeep. Razz


TWIN PEAKS is "something of a miracle."
"...like nothing else on television."
"a phenomenon."
"A tangled tale of sex, violence, power, junk food..."
"Like Nothing On Earth"

~ WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO SAY CAN ONLY BE SEEN ~

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHTUOgYNRzY
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PostPosted: Mon, 31st Dec 2018 00:49    Post subject:
xExtreme wrote:
Mister_s wrote:
Why does the first meaningful choice I make lead to a dead end Confused I'm forced to take the other path.

Second choice and another dead end. I thought this was about me choosing paths.

Finished it. I'd give it a 6.5/10 in the end.



If by that you mean this was in any way a complex show:
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PostPosted: Mon, 31st Dec 2018 01:09    Post subject:
Nah the point is that choices are irrelevant and you always end up where you should be. Its the illusion of choice.


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PostPosted: Mon, 31st Dec 2018 08:18    Post subject:
I don't think Bandersnatch was all that great either. The 4th wall joke was very cool tho (and it actually made some sense in a weird, blackmirrory kind of way) Very Happy
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PostPosted: Mon, 31st Dec 2018 09:29    Post subject:
Yeah some bits were noice.
But as a whole not so much.


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PostPosted: Mon, 31st Dec 2018 11:54    Post subject:
WaldoJ wrote:
Nah the point is that choices are irrelevant and you always end up where you should be. Its the illusion of choice.

I see, they basically say this format is bullshit. I get it now.
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PostPosted: Mon, 31st Dec 2018 12:04    Post subject:
Its interesting. But with this episode you lose the plot while other cyoa on netflix it doesnt fuck up the plot.
You go in circles to the point where you end up more interested in the choices rather than the story. Which sucks cause it starts interesting.


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PostPosted: Mon, 31st Dec 2018 21:22    Post subject:
This is well done by a fan, if you want to explore the other paths in just 2 mins: https://bandersnatch.life/ Razz


TWIN PEAKS is "something of a miracle."
"...like nothing else on television."
"a phenomenon."
"A tangled tale of sex, violence, power, junk food..."
"Like Nothing On Earth"

~ WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO SAY CAN ONLY BE SEEN ~

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHTUOgYNRzY
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PostPosted: Mon, 31st Dec 2018 22:36    Post subject:
I think Bandersnatch is most interesting to people like me who had a speccy, who know the rise and fall of Imagine (Tuckersoft), the failure of their 'revolutionizing' speccy-game Bandersnatch (never finished, would've come at a premium price due to the need to ship extra hardware with the game) and so on. It's big on nostalgia/memories for people like myself who even dabbled in Zeus Assembler (before getting a C64 and later Amiga). It's like a combination of a fictional bio-movie of Imagine (under a different name) combined with the nestled meta-narrative and interactivity about the illusion/delusion of free will.


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PostPosted: Mon, 31st Dec 2018 22:41    Post subject:
"Commercial Breaks" Documentary (1984-Paul Anderson): The rise and fall of Imagine Software (includes the real life unreleased game Bandersnatch)



Watch from 4:48 forward to not only see the offices of Imagine (which are eerily similar to the ones in the Netflix movie, even down to the hardware used in Black Mirror) but also hear about the "mega-game" Bandersnatch (and even some shots of some early version running).


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PostPosted: Fri, 4th Jan 2019 14:46    Post subject:
So I finished all paths in one evening. It wasn't bad, interesting concept. I just wonder how they get to the 300minutes of footage figure, I watched all according to the complete flowchart and there's no way it's more than 2 hours total.
7/10

Oh and btw. Pirated releases + MPC-HC + madVR -> still looks 1000x better than Netflix max quality in the browser
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