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dethy




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PostPosted: Tue, 8th Sep 2020 20:44    Post subject:
I'm curious about AMD's ray tracing implementation and how it works. Microsoft and Sony been pro ray tracing with their next gen consoles. If it's a software implementation that will work well with any card, nVidia's RTX implementation will be dead.

And I do believe consoles will drive this tech.


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PickupArtist




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PostPosted: Tue, 8th Sep 2020 21:39    Post subject:


INTERLACED raytracing at 540p ... Rolling Eyes

thats what the consoles will push and probably the whole dedicated raytracing cores become moot and ur buying pretty much a soon to be obselete dedicated physx card for ur computer
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Radicalus




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PostPosted: Tue, 8th Sep 2020 22:00    Post subject:
LeoNatan wrote:
And where did I say HDR is a gimmick that you need to "argue against"? Laughing
People tend to categorize technology as "gimmick", usually because a. they don't have the necessary technology, or b. are too narrow-sighted to understand the potential and only look at a few examples available.


This is what I was talking about, but gave more context in my reply.

You say FALD is retarded. I say it is not retarded, because in practice some monitors (like mine) pull it off great performance almost at the level of an OLED. In 95% percent of the cases there are no compositions, where this level of FALD can't produce stunning HDR replication.

It just simply costs a fortune. This tech is what I would consider "good enough". Above the barrier, where I think it already adds a lot to games and media in a professional manner.
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PostPosted: Tue, 8th Sep 2020 22:15    Post subject:
FALD looks bad when the screen is black and there are small lit areas. You suddenly see the entire "local" area light up. I have OCD when it comes to these things, and this annoys me to no end. In my previous LG television, it was among the first things I disabled. Can't complain about the OLED though. Very Happy

Micro LED is clearly the future, where you get self-emissive LEDs, with much, much higher lifespan of the LEDs, so you have none of the retention issues of OLEDs. But that is a while still away.
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AmpegV4




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PostPosted: Tue, 8th Sep 2020 22:51    Post subject:
@Radicalus I think i could live with the halo'ing, but it still means paying extreme amount of dollars for a product where i have to live with halo'ing. It sucks but there really is no perfect monitor out there at the moment, LG CX 48 TV probably beats everything on the market, but i don't want a 48" screen ffs.

Youtube talking about Big Navi (i.e looks into crystal ball, claims new AMD cards will be good)\

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Radicalus




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PostPosted: Tue, 8th Sep 2020 23:47    Post subject:
Before I bought this monitor, I read in to every upcoming panel and technology I could find. There is no argument, when Micro LED finally matures it will be awesome. I have my doubts regarding the nest couple of years. Until then, sadly, the only decent monitor, that has HDR and is good for gaming otherwise was this. I debated for 2 months whether to buy it, then they slashed the price to around 60% (still very high) and bought it.

The halo is bad on the desktop. In gaming it is not apparent at all - and I too am very finicky about these kinds of things. The less you look for it on purpose, the less you see it. There are very rare cases it appears even in gaming. Rare and specific conditions have to be met.

But a game lik AssCreed Odyssey really sell HDR (I have that on PS4 pro as well), but the the way a PC can drive it is a whole new ballpark.
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AmpegV4




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PostPosted: Wed, 9th Sep 2020 00:21    Post subject:
Don't listen to @LeoNatan ill bet he's using an apple display.
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PostPosted: Wed, 9th Sep 2020 00:23    Post subject:


You are retarded! I bet you still have a TN garbage. Cool Face

BTW, that’s expensive 5000$ Apple grinhurtR display is a FALD. Laughing
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Mister_s




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PostPosted: Wed, 9th Sep 2020 07:16    Post subject:
@Radicalus you're talking about a 2600 euro monitor. That shit better be glorious.
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PostPosted: Wed, 9th Sep 2020 18:28    Post subject:
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PostPosted: Wed, 9th Sep 2020 18:45    Post subject:
So Zen3 came on 10th of August? Shifty Fellar And RDNA2 comes on 10th of Artemis? Dude Surprised
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PostPosted: Wed, 9th Sep 2020 18:46    Post subject:
I've sold my rtx 2070 today... Laughing


The prices on used 2000 series cards are dropping so fast Very Happy

I think it's time for me to finally ditch my trusty 3770k and get Ryzen 4 (when it gets released..hopefully soon enough) and all the shit that comes with it Very Happy


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PostPosted: Wed, 9th Sep 2020 19:11    Post subject:
h0rnyfavn wrote:
I've sold my rtx 2070 today... Laughing


The prices on used 2000 series cards are dropping so fast Very Happy

I think it's time for me to finally ditch my trusty 3770k and get Ryzen 4 (when it gets released..hopefully soon enough) and all the shit that comes with it Very Happy


How much did you get for your 2070?

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me7




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PostPosted: Wed, 9th Sep 2020 19:37    Post subject:
So AMD keeps quiet about RDNA 2 until after Zen 3 Laughing
3080, here I come.
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PostPosted: Wed, 9th Sep 2020 20:11    Post subject:
Too late you morons
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Sauronich




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PostPosted: Wed, 9th Sep 2020 20:22    Post subject:
If they're only announcing the cards on the 28th, most places won't even have them on shelves by the time Cyberpunk releases. Fucking idiots

I guess it's finally time to come back to Team Green after 6 years of AyyMD.


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PostPosted: Wed, 9th Sep 2020 20:43    Post subject:
@Amadeus

~ $331

It's not much, but you gotta take into accounts these things:

1) US\RUB exchange rate is atrocious.

2) I had to lower the price coz the BIOS switch got broken (it fell off), so the card essentially has one bios now. Unless you are skilled enough to fix it. Either way the warranty might be fucked coz it is a physical damage.

3) You can get a used 1080ti (mining) here for the same price. Yeam I know, mining and all, but it all depends on whether miners properly took care of these cards. Quite a few actually do.

4) Some guys were already selling 2070 at approximately the same price but without any damage=> warranty was fine.


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PostPosted: Wed, 9th Sep 2020 21:53    Post subject:
*Giggle* next month and people are bitching like its next year. Fucking get reasonable will you. Laughing


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Mister_s




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PostPosted: Thu, 10th Sep 2020 09:31    Post subject:
There's a major game release coming, a game that sells cards. Between announcement and actual availability we're talking about a few weeks. So by the time the cards are actually properly in stock and proper benchmarks are avialable, you're too late for that game release. Either AMD know they have shit or they are retarded.
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AmpegV4




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PostPosted: Thu, 10th Sep 2020 10:05    Post subject:
or the vast majority of customers realize they can play the game any time after the release date?
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PostPosted: Thu, 10th Sep 2020 11:31    Post subject:
No, the vast majority is like locusts. They get the game when its out, play and then a few weeks later all that is left is desolation and they move on to the next big thing. Nowadays those without FOMO are going to be LTTP. Razz
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Mister_s




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PostPosted: Thu, 10th Sep 2020 12:18    Post subject:
AmpegV4 wrote:
or the vast majority of customers realize they can play the game any time after the release date?

On tech forums I frequent people are already thinking about buying this or that purely for Cyberpunk. Like a console has system seller games, PC has GPU seller games. It would be really stupid of AMD to not lift on this hype, unless they know already they can't compete.
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Amadeus




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PostPosted: Thu, 10th Sep 2020 12:22    Post subject:
It's just not smart business.

Which AMD knows. It doesn't bode too well.

Zen 3 hype tho!
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PostPosted: Thu, 10th Sep 2020 13:00    Post subject:
Mister_s wrote:
AmpegV4 wrote:
or the vast majority of customers realize they can play the game any time after the release date?

On tech forums I frequent people are already thinking about buying this or that purely for Cyberpunk. Like a console has system seller games, PC has GPU seller games. It would be really stupid of AMD to not lift on this hype, unless they know already they can't compete.

I think a lot of humpers are upgrading for Cyberpunk as well (I am, in any case Very Happy ). There wasn't really a need to upgrade the last few years, because of a lack of quality titles mostly. But now, with the new consoles and a huge game release, it makes perfectly sense (imo)
I'm impatient too. I know that waiting another year will probably be smarter, but I won't be able to wait that long. Unless the game turns out to be horrible, but I kind of doubt that Smile


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dethy




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PostPosted: Thu, 10th Sep 2020 15:54    Post subject:
me7 wrote:
So AMD keeps quiet about RDNA 2 until after Zen 3 Laughing
3080, here I come.


Makes you wonder no? IF RDNA 2 was to turn crap, they would of just announced it with Zen 3 and be done with it. They're giving it it's own spotlight stage. Hmmmmm


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PostPosted: Thu, 10th Sep 2020 16:20    Post subject:
Il_Padrino wrote:
Mister_s wrote:
AmpegV4 wrote:
or the vast majority of customers realize they can play the game any time after the release date?

On tech forums I frequent people are already thinking about buying this or that purely for Cyberpunk. Like a console has system seller games, PC has GPU seller games. It would be really stupid of AMD to not lift on this hype, unless they know already they can't compete.

I think a lot of humpers are upgrading for Cyberpunk as well (I am, in any case Very Happy ). There wasn't really a need to upgrade the last few years, because of a lack of quality titles mostly. But now, with the new consoles and a huge game release, it makes perfectly sense (imo)
I'm impatient too. I know that waiting another year will probably be smarter, but I won't be able to wait that long. Unless the game turns out to be horrible, but I kind of doubt that Smile


Who says Cyberpunk needs an upgrade, really? Yes, if you need the RTX effects, which will probably look really good, the rest should run perfectly fine on older hardware maybe not with maxed settings. At least I wish it will. Smile


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PostPosted: Thu, 10th Sep 2020 16:30    Post subject:
couleur wrote:
Il_Padrino wrote:
Mister_s wrote:

On tech forums I frequent people are already thinking about buying this or that purely for Cyberpunk. Like a console has system seller games, PC has GPU seller games. It would be really stupid of AMD to not lift on this hype, unless they know already they can't compete.

I think a lot of humpers are upgrading for Cyberpunk as well (I am, in any case Very Happy ). There wasn't really a need to upgrade the last few years, because of a lack of quality titles mostly. But now, with the new consoles and a huge game release, it makes perfectly sense (imo)
I'm impatient too. I know that waiting another year will probably be smarter, but I won't be able to wait that long. Unless the game turns out to be horrible, but I kind of doubt that Smile


Who says Cyberpunk needs an upgrade, really? Yes, if you need the RTX effects, which will probably look really good, the rest should run perfectly fine on older hardware maybe not with maxed settings. At least I wish it will. Smile


Sometimes i wish more did like Crytek did for Crysis, and this would be the right one for it if you ask me.
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PostPosted: Thu, 10th Sep 2020 16:56    Post subject:
The body is craving for a complete upgrade but the wallet is already envisioning me trying to play Cyberpunk on the oc'd 2500k and 970. One last effort buddies, you can do it. I actually believe it wouldn't be too unthinkable to expect a fluctuating-yet-reasonable framerate at 1080p/PS4-like settings, which would be enough for me all things considered. We'll see I guess!
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PostPosted: Mon, 14th Dec 2020 20:14    Post subject:
Moving this thread to the hardware zone too.


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PostPosted: Mon, 14th Dec 2020 21:23    Post subject:
Why is this here???
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