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PostPosted: Wed, 16th Mar 2005 19:53    Post subject:
Sorry......I was in dick mode last night

excuse my ignorance i see where your coming from i should probably have used quote thats my bad

I do tend to value your input though even if i disagree with some of it.


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PostPosted: Wed, 16th Mar 2005 20:46    Post subject:
Hey, it's all cool and the gang with me Smile


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PostPosted: Fri, 18th Mar 2005 02:07    Post subject:
Damn that vid was the worst thing i've ever seen... It almost brought tears in my eyes and I can't remember the last time that happened Neutral

WHY CUT OFF LEGS WHEN THE THING IS STILL ALIVE?! How fucking hard would it be for these people to just give the fur a final kick or punch so it is AT LEAST dead before they pull their fucking skin off.. That skinless fur still breathing did it all, for me.

Looks like the same country/people who have pleasure in beheading peope. This is the true scum of the earth
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PostPosted: Fri, 18th Mar 2005 03:07    Post subject:
lmao.. You do realize there is a thing called rigor mortis, correct?
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PostPosted: Fri, 18th Mar 2005 03:43    Post subject:
What about Rigor Mortis and how does it apply to that video?


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PostPosted: Fri, 18th Mar 2005 04:08    Post subject:
Oh dear god. Have you ever hunted and killed an animal larger then a mouse? I'm no fucking doctor, or even nurse, but here is a simple explanation of what happens. The cells of the muscles are still "alive" per say and so what you happen to get is that the animal/human is indeed "dead" but the cells which make up the muscles contract and such for a little while after death. The animals you see in that video are in no way alive. IF they somehow were when he was chopping off their appendages they would then be killed due to shock.


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PostPosted: Fri, 18th Mar 2005 04:12    Post subject:
Dear God I've never even killed a mouse.
Hello!
I'm from England. Hunting with guns is impossible with our sensible gun laws.
But I know what Rigor Mortis is, you don't need to be a gun fanatic to know that. So I shall ask again, what about Rigor Mortis and how does it apply to that video?


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PostPosted: Fri, 18th Mar 2005 04:15    Post subject:
Those gun laws sure sound "sensible" when you dont even have the freedom to hunt.

Oh - And you obviously don't know what rigor mortis is if you dont realize that when an animal twitches like that its because of it.
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PostPosted: Fri, 18th Mar 2005 04:22    Post subject:
If the expense of having my right to hunt curtailed means I don't have to worry about some nutcase blowing my head off or worse still a loved one being hurt by a weapon, then yes I think it's an expense worth paying.


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PostPosted: Fri, 18th Mar 2005 05:13    Post subject:
1.) Most gun related deaths in the US are gang related. Most gang members obtain firearms in illegal ways. So completely banning guns would do jack shit.
2.) So let me get this right. If your kid blew his own head off for being a dumbass and playing with the gun. You would blame it on the gun? Yeah, Ok. Its called EDUCATION, and SAFETY. If you hide your gun and your ammo in some random place expecting not ever having to tell your kid about it, thats your fucking fault, not the guns. You should have taken the responsibility to show your kid what the gun was really all about, so he knew it wasnt a toy. Then on top of that you should put it in a gun safe/safe/lock it up. If you do those 2 things, I guarentee there would be almost no "accidental" gun deaths.
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PostPosted: Fri, 18th Mar 2005 05:24    Post subject:
Anyone else watch Penn and Teller Bullshit. The episode about PETA is great they show how much of a corperation PETA is and how hypacritical they are. Like they have a animal shelter but yet they kill 2/3rd of the animals they shelter a year. Also quote from nailbiter

"FOR THE ENVIRONMENT Animal agriculture takes a devastating toll on the earth. It is an inefficient way of producing food, since feed for farm animals requires land, water, fertilizer, and other resources that could otherwise have been used directly for producing human food."

So if we didn't have these animals contained (caged however you want to put it) on this land where would they go? Your back yard my back yard everywhere they want to go because they don't abide by our laws. Don't you feel sorry for the people who have there house destroyed because a deer was roaming around and decided to say hi. You are forgeting one very important variable in your equation.....US. You are more worried about saving these animals that you don't see how they have kept us alive and moving and by removing them you take away so much. Not everyone loves vegtables day in and day out. Also making fake meat is one of the silliest things i have ever seen you don't want to harm animals but yet you still lust after the smell and taste of there meat.

Last limiting peoples choices of what they do is the most stupid thing a person can do in a free country. We are giving you all the choice to be veggies we are not trying to stop you. All your doing by trying to force us into your lifestyle is starting a cycle you don't want to see in motion. When you force people to do something they don't want to do there are consiquences.


I love animals as much as the next person and the video that is always shown is not the typical way animals are treated. Yes there are people who do throw around chicken and mistreat animals but instead of trying to change a whole way of life try forcing the industry's to wise up to the mistreatment that is caused at there production warehouses.


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PostPosted: Fri, 18th Mar 2005 10:35    Post subject:
@psychoace


sigh. Embarassed how come almost ALL meat eaters always come nagging and saying that "we" are trying to force them to stop eating meat? if we are having a discussion i might part with the animals obviously, but what should we do? have a pig ready for slaughter come and voice his opinion? i dont see that happening.

and mchart. poor, poor mchart. he cant even go to kf fucking c without being harassed by vicious vegans. do you guys see the pattern?

i dont think you get judged and get believes forced upon you at all. maybe you just feel guilty or something. hell do i know? i would say its rather the opposite. from small age we get meat forced upon us and in school they teach us (kostcirkeln) that we have to eat meat to get all nutricions and so on. which obviosly is a lie. and if you dont eat meat, you have people (who think its "manly" for some wiered reason to buy a package of meat) tell you what strange behaviour you have. so its actually huge peer pressure from family, friends and society that we all should eat meat. not the other way around!

and plz psychoace. if we didnt breed animals for slaughter they wouldnt exist and then there wouldnt be a need to put them in cages. simple as that. the deer destroying a house, what can i say? bravo! must have been rudolph trying to help santa down the chimney.

cmon, if we are going to do this at least give me come challenges. thankfully psychoaces post wasnt as sad as mcharts attempts.


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PostPosted: Fri, 18th Mar 2005 10:50    Post subject:
Mchart wrote:
1.) Most gun related deaths in the US are gang related. Most gang members obtain firearms in illegal ways. So completely banning guns would do jack shit.
2.) So let me get this right. If your kid blew his own head off for being a dumbass and playing with the gun. You would blame it on the gun? Yeah, Ok. Its called EDUCATION, and SAFETY. If you hide your gun and your ammo in some random place expecting not ever having to tell your kid about it, thats your fucking fault, not the guns. You should have taken the responsibility to show your kid what the gun was really all about, so he knew it wasnt a toy. Then on top of that you should put it in a gun safe/safe/lock it up. If you do those 2 things, I guarentee there would be almost no "accidental" gun deaths.



1.) The easier a gun is to get the more chance they're going to get it.

2.) Although if there were no guns to educate people about or to hide, then there really wouldn't be a problem would there?

You really are thick Mcfart, I'm really winding you up. It's fa too late for you gun loving yanks to change your ways. Regarding guns, the cat is already out of the bag. It would be pointless to change your laws now. Although I do have to laugh when some of you nutcases quote the founding fathers need for a standing militia. Hello! It's the year 2005.
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PostPosted: Fri, 18th Mar 2005 12:30    Post subject:
Mchart wrote:
Those gun laws sure sound "sensible" when you dont even have the freedom to hunt.

Oh - And you obviously don't know what rigor mortis is if you dont realize that when an animal twitches like that its because of it.


You obviously don't know what rigor mortis is. The fact that it doesn't set in until at least 2 hours after death invalidates your whole argument there.


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PostPosted: Fri, 18th Mar 2005 16:36    Post subject:
I thought Rigor mortis was when the body and joints stiffen after death...?


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PostPosted: Fri, 18th Mar 2005 17:08    Post subject:
Rigor mortis is the state a body reaches when the oxygen supply to the muscles ceases but the cells continue to respire anaerobically (without oxygen). This causes lactic acid to build up, which affects the muscles causing stiffening - rigor mortis. Bodies become stiff after about three hours and remain that way for around 36 hours. Rigor mortis ceases as the body cells die, enzymes are released and the cells decompose.

Rigor mortis makes the body STIFF and STALE and COMPLETELY STILL, and has nothing to do with muscles. What Mchart may be referring to is spasms, which can occur post mortem, nerve-twitches that make you shake and wobble.

Mchart is as good with handling information and deducing facts as he normally is, soon there's a pig responsible for the JFK assassination Wink


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PostPosted: Fri, 18th Mar 2005 17:27    Post subject:
fisk wrote:

...Rigor mortis makes the body STIFF and STALE and COMPLETELY STILL, and has nothing to do with muscles. What Mchart may be referring to is spasms, which can occur post mortem, nerve-twitches that make you shake and wobble....)


My point exactly...


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PostPosted: Fri, 18th Mar 2005 20:09    Post subject:
fisk wrote:
Rigor mortis is the state a body reaches when the oxygen supply to the muscles ceases but the cells continue to respire anaerobically (without oxygen). This causes lactic acid to build up, which affects the muscles causing stiffening - rigor mortis. Bodies become stiff after about three hours and remain that way for around 36 hours. Rigor mortis ceases as the body cells die, enzymes are released and the cells decompose.

Rigor mortis makes the body STIFF and STALE and COMPLETELY STILL, and has nothing to do with muscles. What Mchart may be referring to is spasms, which can occur post mortem, nerve-twitches that make you shake and wobble.

Mchart is as good with handling information and deducing facts as he normally is, soon there's a pig responsible for the JFK assassination Wink

Wonderful job copy and pasting that from another website fisk.
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PostPosted: Fri, 18th Mar 2005 20:15    Post subject:
Jenni wrote:
Mchart wrote:
1.) Most gun related deaths in the US are gang related. Most gang members obtain firearms in illegal ways. So completely banning guns would do jack shit.
2.) So let me get this right. If your kid blew his own head off for being a dumbass and playing with the gun. You would blame it on the gun? Yeah, Ok. Its called EDUCATION, and SAFETY. If you hide your gun and your ammo in some random place expecting not ever having to tell your kid about it, thats your fucking fault, not the guns. You should have taken the responsibility to show your kid what the gun was really all about, so he knew it wasnt a toy. Then on top of that you should put it in a gun safe/safe/lock it up. If you do those 2 things, I guarentee there would be almost no "accidental" gun deaths.



1.) The easier a gun is to get the more chance they're going to get it.

2.) Although if there were no guns to educate people about or to hide, then there really wouldn't be a problem would there?

You really are thick Mcfart, I'm really winding you up. It's fa too late for you gun loving yanks to change your ways. Regarding guns, the cat is already out of the bag. It would be pointless to change your laws now. Although I do have to laugh when some of you nutcases quote the founding fathers need for a standing militia. Hello! It's the year 2005.


If there were no frozen ham hocks then we wouldnt have wives beating their husbands over the head with them. Whats your point?
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PostPosted: Fri, 18th Mar 2005 20:17    Post subject:
Nailbiter wrote:
@psychoace


sigh. Embarassed how come almost ALL meat eaters always come nagging and saying that "we" are trying to force them to stop eating meat? if we are having a discussion i might part with the animals obviously, but what should we do? have a pig ready for slaughter come and voice his opinion? i dont see that happening.

and mchart. poor, poor mchart. he cant even go to kf fucking c without being harassed by vicious vegans. do you guys see the pattern?

i dont think you get judged and get believes forced upon you at all. maybe you just feel guilty or something. hell do i know? i would say its rather the opposite. from small age we get meat forced upon us and in school they teach us (kostcirkeln) that we have to eat meat to get all nutricions and so on. which obviosly is a lie. and if you dont eat meat, you have people (who think its "manly" for some wiered reason to buy a package of meat) tell you what strange behaviour you have. so its actually huge peer pressure from family, friends and society that we all should eat meat. not the other way around!

and plz psychoace. if we didnt breed animals for slaughter they wouldnt exist and then there wouldnt be a need to put them in cages. simple as that. the deer destroying a house, what can i say? bravo! must have been rudolph trying to help santa down the chimney.

cmon, if we are going to do this at least give me come challenges. thankfully psychoaces post wasnt as sad as mcharts attempts.


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PostPosted: Fri, 18th Mar 2005 20:44    Post subject:
Mchart wrote:

Wonderful job copy and pasting that from another website fisk.


So fucking what? even if he did, it proves you were wrong.


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PostPosted: Sat, 19th Mar 2005 05:17    Post subject:
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Wonderful job copy and pasting that from another website fisk.


Actually, only half of it is copy&pasted, still - it's direct information, not made up shit like the crap you usually pull here. Get over it.


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PostPosted: Sat, 19th Mar 2005 05:24    Post subject:
Mchart wrote:


If there were no frozen ham hocks then we wouldnt have wives beating their husbands over the head with them. Whats your point?
Theres two points. One is a gun is designed for one purpose and that is to kill. The other point I mentioned. When the founding fathers made the constitution they needed a standing militia, not really needed now is it.

Please don't requote yourself. It shows laziness and it's pointless.
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PostPosted: Sat, 19th Mar 2005 14:45    Post subject:
Mchart got served (again).


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PostPosted: Sat, 19th Mar 2005 19:55    Post subject:
Mchart wrote:


When I went to KFC they were harrassing me. Yes, I see a pattern.


what? that you get harassed a lot?

lol just like in this thread now ey? Very Happy
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PostPosted: Sat, 19th Mar 2005 20:04    Post subject:
fisk wrote:
Mchart got served (again).


Come on fisk, what's with comments like this? :\

Stop trying to instigate shit. Sad

You're a good guy, no need to be like that.


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PostPosted: Sat, 19th Mar 2005 23:09    Post subject:
I would tend to agree but this Mchart guy does tend to bring the worst out of a person.

Mchart no offense but try to accept that opinions differ and you or anyone else cant really change another persons through abuse and blatant fiction.


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PostPosted: Sun, 20th Mar 2005 00:26    Post subject: I watched the video
What I can't understand is why can't they kill the animal before they skin it? It that so difficult?
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PostPosted: Sun, 20th Mar 2005 00:33    Post subject:
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Same thing for me... I didn't post that video because I care about animal who die to make fur and food,.. in fact I agree we should keep them coming. The thing is how these guy make it,.. when it's done nicely with precaution and rules it's ok but not when they try to keep them alive as long as they want and have fun doing it in a dust backyard or something...

Yeah, I never really had a problem with fur, it's just the fact that the animal is alive during the whole skinning process. Are those people too stupid to kill an animal before they skin it?
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PostPosted: Sun, 20th Mar 2005 23:23    Post subject:
Jenni wrote:

1.) The easier a gun is to get the more chance they're going to get it.

2.) Although if there were no guns to educate people about or to hide, then there really wouldn't be a problem would there?

You really are thick Mcfart, I'm really winding you up. It's fa too late for you gun loving yanks to change your ways. Regarding guns, the cat is already out of the bag. It would be pointless to change your laws now. Although I do have to laugh when some of you nutcases quote the founding fathers need for a standing militia. Hello! It's the year 2005.

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