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Frant
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Awesome guide pwerelds.
Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn!
"The sky was the color of a TV tuned to a dead station" - Neuromancer
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Slizza
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vaifan1986
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| Posted: Sat, 7th Aug 2010 12:36 Post subject: |
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My pleasure, mate! Happy gaming! (The Q8200 isn't a superb OCer, so you might need to bump the voltages a little bit)
http://www.donutey.com/intelq8200.php
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tonizito
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| Posted: Sat, 7th Aug 2010 12:59 Post subject: |
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Pretty much sums up my experience with my Q8300.
I'm running it at 3.3GHz with no voltage changes whatsoever, while my old E5200 clocked at 3.5GHz in the same conditions. The MB also helps a lot here (Gigabyte GA-EP45-UD3R for me).
Seeing that vaifan1986's MB is a bit older, his mileage may vary.
| boundle (thoughts on cracking AITD) wrote: | | i guess thouth if without a legit key the installation was rolling back we are all fucking then |
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| Posted: Sat, 7th Aug 2010 13:01 Post subject: |
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Same as my E7200; stocks at 2.5Ghz/1.05v, OCed to 3.7Ghz/1.18v. Magnificent little chip.
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Werelds
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| Posted: Sat, 7th Aug 2010 14:42 Post subject: |
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Slizza
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garus
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| Posted: Sat, 7th Aug 2010 18:20 Post subject: |
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Werelds
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| Posted: Sat, 7th Aug 2010 18:25 Post subject: |
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Just to give you an example what I mean with Guru3D's inconsistency. Both reviews done with an i7-965 @ 3.75 GHz on an ASUS X58 motherboard.
| Original 5770 Review wrote: |
System in IDLE = 228 Watts
System with GPU in FULL Stress = 321 Watts
Difference (GPU load) = 93 Watt |
| Gigabyte 5770 SOC wrote: |
System in IDLE = 176W
System Wattage with GPU in FULL Stress = 264W
Difference (GPU load) = 88W |
That's impossible, they mysteriously won 52 watts when idle and 57 under load just by going from a STOCK 5770 to a super overclocked version. In every other review the Gigabyte 5770 SOC uses around 5 watts more when idle and around 15 under load. The links to Guru3D's and HardOCP's reviews of this card:
- http://www.guru3d.com/article/gigabyte-radeon-hd-5770-soc-review/5
- http://www.hardocp.com/article/2010/07/19/gigabyte_hd_5770_super_overclock_video_card_review/7
They also go way over the top with their PSU recommendations, I've already showed that in my post.
See why I don't particularly like Guru3D?
I'd take their consumption results with a big grain of salt, they clearly don't use identical circumstances for every review they do.
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Slizza
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ixigia
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| Posted: Sat, 7th Aug 2010 18:46 Post subject: |
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garus
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| Posted: Sat, 7th Aug 2010 18:52 Post subject: |
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Werelds
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garus
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Werelds
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| Posted: Sat, 7th Aug 2010 21:29 Post subject: |
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My 900 cost me 90 euros when i got it, initially put an Intel EE 955 + 8800 GTS in it, housing E8400 + HD5870 now. It's not about the hardware, it's about the looks of the stuff inside ^^
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Werelds
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| Posted: Mon, 16th Aug 2010 13:09 Post subject: |
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More updates kids, added some more reading material and finally got round to giving it some proper formatting, hope this is easier to read now 
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TSR69
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Werelds
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| Posted: Fri, 20th Aug 2010 23:54 Post subject: |
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Thanks
I'll review the GPU section soon, it seems NVIDIA are preparing for some announcement. They've dropped the 470 and 480 prices like CRAZY here in NL. Former is down to roughly €230, latter to roughly €360. That suddenly makes them very competitive with ATI's 5850 and 5870, so unless ATI also drops prices, the 470 will become a very interesting option now. The 480 remains the loud, hungry beast that it is, but with the price drop it at least doesn't cost 30% extra anymore.
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Werelds
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| Posted: Sat, 28th Aug 2010 15:10 Post subject: |
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First GTS450 has appeared in some random Russian shop, with a terrible price but with clocks close to what was predicted. Should launch in about 2 weeks, I'll do a full review on the GPU section when it does, to see if its launch has any effect on pricing of the other cards and of course to see if it's worth its money
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| Posted: Sat, 28th Aug 2010 19:01 Post subject: |
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GTX 470 makes even more heat than GTX 480.. With 360euros, GTX 480 is absolutely unbeatable.
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Werelds
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| Posted: Sat, 28th Aug 2010 19:29 Post subject: |
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| Breezer_ wrote: | | GTX 470 makes even more heat than GTX 480.. With 360euros, GTX 480 is absolutely unbeatable. |
No it doesn't? It's as hot as the 480 at best, under typical loads it's a couple of degrees cooler. It's slightly more quiet though.
Anyways, those prices have gone back up a bit again, it's respectively €255 and €385 now, although it's still only Gigabyte's 470 that's so cheap, the rest are all €20 more expensive.
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| Posted: Sun, 29th Aug 2010 02:08 Post subject: |
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Well considering that my card (EVGA) on overclocked settings (800/1600/1950) which is like 20% increase in performance, on a stock cooler in gaming is like 85c max (75% fan speed) which is not that loud and isnt that hot anyway. My point is just that there is so much shit talking about fermi heat, ofc there gonna be heat if you use some shit automatic fan profiles + shit case and bake the card in furmark.
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Werelds
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| Posted: Sun, 29th Aug 2010 12:24 Post subject: |
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That's your opinion perhaps, but hard numbers don't lie. Even a site like Guru3D admit that it is loud, and runs very hot. Also, that overclock can't net you a 20% performance increase, there's not a single site that has achieved such results. You've got an overclock of 14% on core and shader, 5% on memory. If that nets you 20% extra performance across the board, that would be a world first, since every single site out there has pushed the card much further than you have (most get to around 850/1700/2200, 20+% increase on all clocks) and that still only nets them between 15 and 20% performance.
Honestly Breezer, I'm not disputing that the 480 is fast, and overclocking does do well on the card, but your numbers are off.
And to put the noise/temperature into perspective: it is as loud and as a 5970, 4890, 4870x2 or GTX295 under load, all cards that are infamous for how hot and noisy they are. Most sites also use open benches, meaning the side of the case is open, thus not obstructing airflow. The highest I've had my 5870 (overclocked, gained about 10-15% performance on average) in a game load is 64 degrees, and that was at 60% fanspeed. Granted, your 480 is a little bit faster, but it's a big difference nonetheless. Anand's GPU bench is a good place to check, they've got a pretty solid testing setup.
It's a fast card, I never said it isn't - but when you compare it to other cards, especially something like the 5970 or a setup like the GTX 460 in SLI, it is a terrible tradeoff. Especially when compared to the GTX 460 in SLI the 480 looks very, very bad. That's two cards generating less noise and heat than the single card 480, costing less, and being a LOT faster.
(When I mention "load" I don't mean Furmark load for the record, as that's an unrealistic load - sites that use just Furmark for consumption/noise/heat testing under load I take with a grain of salt. I go by numbers under loads from Crysis or similar heavy, but still realistic benchmarks)
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Werelds
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| Posted: Sun, 29th Aug 2010 15:24 Post subject: |
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1. That's a tessellation benchmark, all you test there is tessellation performance. A 5970 will get like 15 FPS there probably, even though it completely kicks the 480's ass in games. It's not just "not the best" benchmark, it says absolutely nothing about gaming performance - even in Metro 2033 with all its NVIDIA crap, the 5970 still beats the 480.
2. The OC on the Gigabyte cards is only just above stock (715/1430/1800 versus stock 675/1350/3600), a much less overclock than your GTX 480 has, and the GTX 460's have a shitload of headroom (850/1700/4000 is easily doable).
3. Tessmark also puts a full load on your CPU - but only one core. So you having it at 4 GHz might very well make a big difference compared to the other one at just 3.6. I haven't seen any comparisons of Tessmark anywhere, so I can't tell for sure, but it certainly has some effect.
4. Microstuttering only occurs at low framerates - I'm talking about sub-30 numbers here. Above that, there really is no microstuttering these days.
I get what you're doing Breezer, but to prove me wrong that the 460 SLI is a more cost-effective setup, you'll have to come with some serious results. Right now, you're comparing an almost-stock SLI setup on a mildly overclocked CPU to a higher overclocked 480 with a well overclocked CPU. Almost every review out there shows that 2 460's have better, or equal minimum framerates as a 480, and much higher maximums.
Note: I'm talking about the 1GB model here - the 768 model is significantly slower because it has less ROPs!
Nice job on that overclock with your 1055 btw, how hot does it run now?
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| Posted: Sun, 29th Aug 2010 18:32 Post subject: |
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You should buy new pair of eyes, check what clocks hes having on the benchmark.
800/1600/1970
And as for this 1055T its like 45c in CPU heavy games like BBC2. In intel burn test its like 55c.
EDIT: Tired of this arguing but anyway what i have seen, GTX 460 SLI wins stock GTX 480, but doesnt win overclocked GTX 480. Also i7 @ 3.6Ghz is better than 1055T @ 4ghz. Also GTX 460 Sli is expensiver in here finland than 480GTX.
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Werelds
Special Little Man
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| Posted: Sun, 29th Aug 2010 20:16 Post subject: |
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| Breezer_ wrote: | | You should buy new pair of eyes, check what clocks hes having on the benchmark. |
Sorry, my bad, I didn't even notice that
| Breezer_ wrote: | | And as for this 1055T its like 45c in CPU heavy games like BBC2. In intel burn test its like 55c. |
Impressive, which cooler are you using?
| Breezer_ wrote: | | EDIT: Tired of this arguing but anyway what i have seen, GTX 460 SLI wins stock GTX 480, but doesnt win overclocked GTX 480. Also i7 @ 3.6Ghz is better than 1055T @ 4ghz. Also GTX 460 Sli is expensiver in here finland than 480GTX. |
How much are they over in Finland then? Here in NL the 460's are about 30-40 euros more expensive, but like I said, they're faster, quieter, cooler.
And seriously Breezer, if your friend's 460's can't beat your single 480 in most games, then that's down to something not working on his end. Every single review I've read shows that 2 460's match a 5970 in performance most of the time, because they scale 80-100% in almost every game. A single GTX 480 is still a good 10-20% behind, easily. The only parts where the 480 is very clearly the winner is where there's heavy tessellation or at ridiculously high resolutions (where the bigger memory comes in to play).
I'll be able to tell how fast they are soon enough, when I upgrade. Switching to 2 460's unless there's a massive price change or new interesting products (NVIDIA got something scheduled for Sept. 13th).
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| Posted: Sun, 29th Aug 2010 23:13 Post subject: |
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Using noctua NH-D14 on my 1055T. Also pretty much all the reviews are using some shit OC model of GTX 480 which bumps clocks little, GTX 480 starts really shine after 800mhz GPU clock. And those 1GB GTX 460s are 240euros cheapest here.
If i would be you, just buy GTX 480, slap the upcoming accelero on it, and overclock it like hell. Then buy another one when performance isnt anymore cutting it.
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Werelds
Special Little Man
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| Posted: Fri, 10th Sep 2010 21:55 Post subject: |
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Rewrote the PSU section a bit, still need to add a bit there about PSUs and room temperatures. 80PLUS tests are conducted at 23 degrees Celsius, obviously inside your case it's gonna be hotter than that. Why do you care you say? Well, parts inside a PSU perform worse in hotter conditions, but I can't be bothered writing that bit now 
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