Was Jenni a good Mod?
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Martian123




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PostPosted: Sat, 5th Jul 2008 21:51    Post subject:
As far as I am concerned, this is bullshit politics.

Personal issue's between a mod and a few members. I wonder how many "alts" participated in this whole fiasco.


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PostPosted: Sat, 5th Jul 2008 22:05    Post subject:
I don't think the alts were really involved.

Of course it's bullshit politics... the whole nature of the word forum just attracts disagreements and politics.

The reason we have mods is to try and take a unbiased view...


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PostPosted: Sat, 5th Jul 2008 22:14    Post subject:
Lol, the curse of the "World News" section humps nfohump once again !
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sabalasa




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PostPosted: Sat, 5th Jul 2008 23:34    Post subject:
Hmmm...I usually do not say much but...

I've read through the "Jenni's racist thread" and found it quite amusing...not the fight itself going on there but the subject...foreigners and natives. We...Estonians are right now being called with different names - racists, facists, nazis etc...mostly because the same reasons...certain foreigners do not respect the country they live in but only demand more rights, special treatment etc. In that point I absolutely agree with Jenny. I do not agree with the "they are stealing our jobs part" but hey...life is not black and white..maybe...there are immigrants who will do the job with half the wages that a native would ask and agree to live in less human conditions just for the fact that they escaped the inhuman conditions in their native country or for whatever reason...that, I think is the definition of stealing jobs for me and being a businessman myself I can say that everyone is looking for opportunities to cut costs.

So...Serbens statement that Jenny should blame the companies...is valid in my point of view but from employees view I'm with Jenny in this case Wink

Another thing...I see the same persons who bashed Jenny in that thread trying to soften the blow here...that's not how I personally think things should go...If you made a decision..you should live with that...even if it was the wrong decision....the later apologizing etc will not make things better but display you as a weak person...


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PostPosted: Sat, 5th Jul 2008 23:39    Post subject:
I think it was the right decsion to remove her mod status for several reasons.

As stated by many members she thought her opinion was allways right and insulted anyone who didnt have the same opinion.

When tackled on issues she was wrong on she either banned or gave the old " its because im female" crap , NEWSFLASH its a forum not a gender competition.

And also the fact she used the " husband serving active duty for her great country" ( yet he cant come back to the uk for "tax reasons") , strange that serving uk soldiers get fucked on tax if they come back ( perhaps why thats why the iraq war has gone on so long Rolling Eyes )

Ive spoke with women like her irl , and she comes across to me as a single mom whos got a grudge with the whole of the male population.

Good riddance imo
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PostPosted: Sat, 5th Jul 2008 23:41    Post subject:
sabalasa wrote:
Another thing...I see the same persons who bashed Jenny in that thread trying to soften the blow here...that's not how I personally think things should go...If you made a decision..you should live with that...even if it was the wrong decision....the later apologizing etc will not make things better but display you as a weak person...


I noticed you didn't mention any names. Trying to stay soft ourselves? Smile

Just kidding of course!


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sabalasa




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PostPosted: Sat, 5th Jul 2008 23:46    Post subject:
Laughing

Yea, cos that thread was quite a read so I did not remember all the names...

I also tend to stay neutral and constructive until the opponent gets personal...then the argument is over...

Everyone calls me a "torpedo boat" when someone comes up with new ideas that are not supported by solid facts and proofs...I tend to sink them before they get to go-live phase Smile

<--- a master arguer


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PostPosted: Sat, 5th Jul 2008 23:47    Post subject:
sabalasa wrote:
Laughing

Yea, cos that thread was quite a read so I did not remember all the names...

I also tend to stay neutral and constructive until the opponent gets personal...then the argument is over...

Everyone calls me a "torpedo boat" when someone comes up with new ideas that are not supported by solid facts and proofs...I tend to sink them before they get to go-live phase Smile


hmmmm, I haven't done this in a while but.....

/rubs your head Very Happy


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PostPosted: Sat, 5th Jul 2008 23:52    Post subject:
damn...you again! Laughing


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PostPosted: Sat, 5th Jul 2008 23:55    Post subject:
tobycoaster wrote:
I think it was the right decsion to remove her mod status for several reasons.

As stated by many members she thought her opinion was allways right and insulted anyone who didnt have the same opinion.

When tackled on issues she was wrong on she either banned or gave the old " its because im female" crap , NEWSFLASH its a forum not a gender competition.

And also the fact she used the " husband serving active duty for her great country" ( yet he cant come back to the uk for "tax reasons") , strange that serving uk soldiers get fucked on tax if they come back ( perhaps why thats why the iraq war has gone on so long Rolling Eyes )

Ive spoke with women like her irl , and she comes across to me as a single mom whos got a grudge with the whole of the male population.

Good riddance imo

I've never said my husband was serving. Try a private company. I don't have an issue with the male population, ask any decent member of the forum.
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sabalasa




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PostPosted: Sun, 6th Jul 2008 00:00    Post subject:
Just a side note...I never noticed that "just 'cos I'm female" attitude from Jenny...but again...I've never been banned Smile


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PostPosted: Sun, 6th Jul 2008 00:04    Post subject:
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No, she has no place as a mod. She was chosen because the admins most likely because she's a female. I may disagree with her as a moderator, but as a regular member she's far better - then she can disagree with someone all she wants; and not take it to banning people because they view the world differently.


Im sure she wasnt picked for being female Razz Anywho no, I thought the decision was wrong and I have been disagreeing with Jenny's moderating for quite some time, IMO I think you get to emotional Jenny on this board and it only leads to more trolling and more personal attacks.

Although dont get me wrong I absolutely agree with the other members with your dedication, not a single mod in these times have shown such a passion for moderating and its sad to see that go.


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PostPosted: Sun, 6th Jul 2008 00:04    Post subject:
Oh didn't you know. I was only appointed because I'm female.


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PostPosted: Sun, 6th Jul 2008 00:08    Post subject:
A female touch in a mess is always welcome...until she kicks the males out of the house while cleaning Very Happy

Otherwise...a nasty fight is guaranteed Razz


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PostPosted: Sun, 6th Jul 2008 02:31    Post subject:
Mutantius wrote:
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No, she has no place as a mod. She was chosen because the admins most likely because she's a female. I may disagree with her as a moderator, but as a regular member she's far better - then she can disagree with someone all she wants; and not take it to banning people because they view the world differently.


Im sure she wasnt picked for being female Razz Anywho no, I thought the decision was wrong and I have been disagreeing with Jenny's moderating for quite some time, IMO I think you get to emotional Jenny on this board and it only leads to more trolling and more personal attacks.

Although dont get me wrong I absolutely agree with the other members with your dedication, not a single mod in these times have shown such a passion for moderating and its sad to see that go.


I agree with you. It sucks that we won't have a moderator who is such a big part of the community. Having a mix of mods who are lurking in the shadows ready to MODERATE! and some mods who participate in conversation and browse the forums and be integrated with the community is a necessity. The balance is missing !


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Stormwolf




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PostPosted: Sun, 6th Jul 2008 03:22    Post subject:
why moderate a forum that you dont take part off ? :S
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PostPosted: Sun, 6th Jul 2008 08:21    Post subject:
Jenni deserves to be mod, great job always been and will be


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PostPosted: Sun, 6th Jul 2008 13:23    Post subject:
kenny64 wrote:
why moderate a forum that you dont take part off ? :S
Because you like the job of a moderator but dont like being part of it because you never seem to fit in Sad
Just one possible reason Wink
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PostPosted: Sun, 6th Jul 2008 15:49    Post subject:
sounds like a waste of time, but thats just me
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PostPosted: Sun, 6th Jul 2008 16:08    Post subject:
One can't moderate a community if he's not an integral part of it.

Example: If I tell the truth and call TheSaint a fag, a mod who doesn't know us would assume I'm trying to insult him. Laughing
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PostPosted: Sun, 6th Jul 2008 16:14    Post subject:
Although funny Laughing, you dont need to talk for that. If you observe only, its still possible to judge right Smile


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PostPosted: Sun, 6th Jul 2008 16:31    Post subject:
I know Laughing, that's why regular mods don't ban me. A non-regular mod would assume I'm insulting him just because.

BTW, to the non-regular mod HorrorD, other mods have used the word "fag" as well. Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Sun, 6th Jul 2008 16:57    Post subject:
I think jenni was a good mod

i think nforce is confused about priorities, I just got back from a 2 day ban for insulting someone , yet MJ constantly spams and flames and nothing is done. Shame really.
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PostPosted: Sun, 6th Jul 2008 17:17    Post subject:
Jenni, i think youre better off, this forum is going down the toilet now, its been for a while, bad management. Since my last temp ban, i dont really post anymore cause who ever banned me, it was fuckin stupid and retarded. The world news forum should have been deleted ages ago cause poeple always get banned there with discussions that goes out of hands.

Theres no gray zone in this forum, its all black and white, stuff that shouldnt be allowed here but they are. Like political views in avatar and signature. I see a few users here with their commie crap avatar and sigs but what poeple whould say/do if for example we start putting swastikas in our avatar and sigs with Hitler's pic. It will get removed right away and the user will probably get banned. Same should goes to any political views like that but its not...like i said, no gray zone, only black and white.

Anyway, in the end, Jenni i always liked you as a user and a mod and you should go apart for a while.
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PostPosted: Sun, 6th Jul 2008 17:22    Post subject:
Phluxed wrote:

I noticed you didn't mention any names. Trying to stay soft ourselves? Smile

Just kidding of course!


I named names yesterday of the true ban-worthy or demotable "members" of this site and it got me temp banned.

Ironic as fuck really since Jenni did the same thing and got her mod status removed.

Bunch of monkies here sometimes, Chinup was right about us never being able to be mod-free.

As for you leaving Jenni, Im sorry to see you go. Youve always been the mod I went to first if I had a problem; and you know that.

I wont forget the final long chat we had on the night of the masterjuba/serben/nuclearshadow/under etc arguement and the "accidental" temp deletion of my account due to someone who thinks hes clever Rolling Eyes

I also love knowing things about members on this site who have no clue what I know about them Laughing

I gotta say it again, I will miss you Jen. Hand on heart.

I hope we get someone worthy of replacement, although it will not truly be a gap filled.

Take care!

"gem" Wink
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PostPosted: Sun, 6th Jul 2008 17:23    Post subject:
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Like political views in avatar and signature. I see a few users here with their commie crap avatar and sigs but what poeple whould say/do if for example we start putting swastikas in our avatar and sigs with Hitler's pic.


Now hold on a minute. Nforce isn't the one who are allowing these commie avatars thats society Kommando, the attitude towards hammer & sickle, che guevera, etc is alot more loose than the swastika.


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PostPosted: Sun, 6th Jul 2008 17:50    Post subject:
evilmonkey wrote:
I think jenni was a good mod

i think nforce is confused about priorities, I just got back from a 2 day ban for insulting someone , yet MJ constantly spams and flames and nothing is done. Shame really.

nforce huh? its NFOHUMP NOW Laughing
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evilmonkey




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PostPosted: Sun, 6th Jul 2008 18:02    Post subject:
Spiderman wrote:
evilmonkey wrote:
I think jenni was a good mod

i think nforce is confused about priorities, I just got back from a 2 day ban for insulting someone , yet MJ constantly spams and flames and nothing is done. Shame really.

nforce huh? its NFOHUMP NOW Laughing


itll always be nforce to me, been here too long.
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PostPosted: Sun, 6th Jul 2008 23:07    Post subject:
Kommando wrote:
Jenni, i think youre better off, this forum is going down the toilet now, its been for a while, bad management.


Removing Jenni is the first step toward improving that management.

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The world news forum should have been deleted ages ago cause poeple always get banned there with discussions that goes out of hands.


Oh no! Woe to have a forum used for actual discussions. The fact those debates get heated is a sign of passionate people, why is it some are so afraid of anger and conflicts? The real problem is when people get censored for what they believe. That is what really makes a forum go down the shitter.
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PostPosted: Mon, 7th Jul 2008 00:01    Post subject:
@dominae
you do believe in the ultimate freedom of speech, don't you Wink

I say, some censorship and order is always needed, because total anarchy is just around the corner without it and we do not want that to happen, do we Smile

And when we have anarchy then it would collapse right away and some censorship will pun into force. Sounds complicated?

Maybe you know that anarchy is the shortest regime of them all. Why? Simple really.

Anarchy is by the definition the defiance of any power, laws, order etc. And when you abandon all those control mechanisms then the society collapses under his own weight until some rules, leaders etc are reestablished.

A simple example. Let's say I own a house with a lovely garden full of apple trees. Now you...an anarchist come around the corner and would like to have an apple. Because there a no laws, no private property etc...you just come an take an apple without asking me. I come running out of my house with a shot gun and shoot your head off. I can do that without being afraid of the consequences because we do not have any laws etc. Now you become a sign for other bad ass anarchists stating that you cannot enter here or you loose your head...and law and order is yet again established Smile

RIP anarchy Razz


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