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Jenni
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| Posted: Fri, 1st Jul 2005 23:04 Post subject: |
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| Jenni wrote: | Soc.
History.
English. |
4 years each full time? Am I correct to assume that Soc=Sociology?
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Jenni
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| Posted: Fri, 1st Jul 2005 23:05 Post subject: |
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Yes to both questions.
Plus a hell of a lot of home study.
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| Posted: Fri, 1st Jul 2005 23:16 Post subject: |
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So in theory 12 years of study. Not bad. Well, assuming you passed : P
So Scientology is the new religion? All older establishments in most cases resist change as it threatens them. I guess people will nearly accept anything before going Nihilistic.
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Jenni
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| Posted: Fri, 1st Jul 2005 23:19 Post subject: |
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And I had my daughter in that timeframe too.
I dunno, I'm just a sponge for info. I love reading too.
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Jenni
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| Posted: Fri, 1st Jul 2005 23:35 Post subject: |
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Not at all. They fleece people out of their money left right and centre.
I watched a documentary where they sold a cancer sufferer this water that they said cured cancer. A joke of a religion really.
They even tried to interview Madonna. It was also shown that the red string they sell wasn't from the source they claimed it was.
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| Posted: Fri, 1st Jul 2005 23:37 Post subject: |
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Hehehe sweet. Should we maybe create a religion called Nforcia!?!
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Jenni
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| Posted: Fri, 1st Jul 2005 23:41 Post subject: |
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Actually ignore my last post. I'm getting Kabbalah mixed up with Scientology. I'm tired through a massive workload atm. 10 hour days at the office stinks.
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| Posted: Sat, 2nd Jul 2005 03:10 Post subject: |
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no, actually studying is only ok to a certain point.
true that you learn things, but most is theories and no profesor is almighty.
dont get me wrong, i think studying is important, but there is way more to it than that. as individuals we shape our thoughts around more things than how many years we studied.
i do not take someone seriously that claims being an authority just by studying a field for certain amount of time. well maybe if they lived by it, but not a student(?).
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fisk
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| Posted: Sat, 2nd Jul 2005 03:59 Post subject: |
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So, what you're saying is that what you learn from years of academic study isn't really worth jack shit unless you get a job in the field you studied?
You do realize it's usually the jobs that dilute the knowledge of students, seeing how some professors manipulate students into their own narrow field.
If it's anyone in science I've come to learn is biased and close-minded it's the professors who have spent too much time in one field, that has become their "brainchild" so to speak.
I tried to speak sociology with a professor at our university, he's written books about things like "how schools should be, etc." - Tomas Englund is his name (maybe you know of him Jenni?"... any way, he was defending the old school form, the form of education were reproduction of the teacher's knowledge was the best way to learn - whereas I was defending the individualist's school, where every student take his/her own individual skills to find knowledge in a progressive environment.
I am no fan whatsoever of Tabula Rasa, but I could at least appreciate some of his arguments - but he didn't listen to mine at all. He said: "Individuality in any society is a threat to stability and order of the world. What this leads to is anarchy and segregation, depression, and foremost regression. There lies a great danger in the production of individuals, and this is the truth." (translated from swedish).
NO MATTER how I tried to counter this, he just kept referring back to anarchy, and pointed at how the world looked right now, and where it was heading.
Oh! Right! It was SO much better in the age of WW2! *doh*
Yes, yes I'm back.
Somewhat.
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| Posted: Sat, 2nd Jul 2005 10:15 Post subject: |
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I guess some love facism and how the beastial tribe forces the individual to confirm to their rituals(your teacher fisk, not you)
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| Posted: Sat, 2nd Jul 2005 11:17 Post subject: |
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I agree with him when he says its a pseudo science, simply because hes right about these anti-depressent medications. They dont help anything, its a short term solution without thinking about long term side effects. Our society has come to accept them as "OK", if your kids got a problem, psych meds are the cure.
But this is so wrong, and the parents of these kids have no idea what this drug is going to do to their children 10 or 20 years down the road. Psychology has developed into this divide wheres on one side theres a real attempt at analyzing the brain and helping a person who has a mental problem, and another and seemingly the better choice, hopping them up on psych meds.
How can you even begin to call it a science, or even say it has scientific merit if all we do is develop an experimental drug that affects the brain in ways we dont really understand, but seems to "pacify" the user, and temporarily fix his ailements, and mass market it to everyone who is having depression problems. I believe, like tom, that these drugs are destroying psychology as we know it, its less about solving the problem, and more about shoving it under the rug.
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fisk
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| Posted: Sat, 2nd Jul 2005 14:48 Post subject: |
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| fisk wrote: | | PoorLeno wrote: | Well, psychology is pseudoscience. Psychology doesn't excercise the scientific method, thus I do agree with Tom.
EDIT: And come to think about it, from my personal experience - psychiatrics has never done anything good. I had a friend who had trouble adjusting to some changes in his life - now he's locked up, drugged, and truly sick. |
Oh, another one like Tom, who from little experience throw out words like "pseudo science".
First of all, YES - psychology DOES exercise scientific methodology. Saying anything else is ignoring tens of thousands of professors and researchers all across the world. Psychology, in it's general term is one of the more well-researched subjects empirically.
I find it rather ridiculous to claim that there are no signal substances... that's like saying: "There is no adrenalin in your body!, That's just mumbo-jumbo!"
Ignoring psychology as a science is about as clever as ignoring physics.
"Ah well! Man can't fly, airplanes is a myth!"
Please, do study some more if you are to comment on what is science and what isn't. |
Heh, that's rich. I happen to know what I'm talking about. You are too quick to judge, and that's why I'm not going to waste my time explaining my standpoint; suffice it to say that I didn't deny existence of stimuli, and I do have a masters degree in physics. |
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| Posted: Sat, 2nd Jul 2005 14:51 Post subject: |
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| fisk wrote: | | ...but opinions without a base in reality... |
Opinions, by [implied] definition, lack in base and are tainted with fears, beliefs and incomplete (at best) information. Opinions are the bane of our modern society. Everyone thinks, therefore everyone thinks he/she/it is right.
Facts should rule. They do not, sadly.
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fisk
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| Posted: Sat, 2nd Jul 2005 15:49 Post subject: |
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| PoorLeno wrote: | | I do have a masters degree in physics. |
Good for you, perhaps you should study some psychology next?, So you can argue about the subject without having to resort to "I know what I'm talking about"-arguments, they really don't mean shit.
Yes, yes I'm back.
Somewhat.
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| Posted: Sat, 2nd Jul 2005 16:42 Post subject: |
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| fisk wrote: | | PoorLeno wrote: | | I do have a masters degree in physics. |
Good for you, perhaps you should study some psychology next?, So you can argue about the subject without having to resort to "I know what I'm talking about"-arguments, they really don't mean shit. |
And your random accusations of incompetence to further your agenda do? |
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| Posted: Sat, 2nd Jul 2005 16:50 Post subject: |
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| PoorLeno wrote: | | fisk wrote: | | PoorLeno wrote: | | I do have a masters degree in physics. |
Good for you, perhaps you should study some psychology next?, So you can argue about the subject without having to resort to "I know what I'm talking about"-arguments, they really don't mean shit. |
And your random accusations of incompetence to further your agenda do? |
I didn't really intend to call you incompetent, it's just that as long as you do nothing more than say: "Hey! I know what I'm talking about, psychology is pseudoscience" I am inclined to say that you are incompetent, yes.
Yes, yes I'm back.
Somewhat.
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| Posted: Sat, 2nd Jul 2005 18:29 Post subject: To fisk: |
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I did say more! I said that psychology as it is today, relies more on belief (postulates that are widely accepted for no reason), than scientifically proven methods. Within this belief there are some possible truths, but mostly it's unfounded nonsense. This all I surmised in one word - pseudoscience. I derive my point of view from a cascade of experiences I've personally had, not just the one I've mentioned. However, I find, that the experience I've described above justifies questioning the entire school of psychiatrics all the same.
I wouldn't hesitate to point out, that you don't have any merit defending the matter either (where's your flagship degree?), if I don't have a merit attacking it. From my perspective, however, this merit isn't acquired by wasting time trying to comprehend the idiocy of the ages.
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| Posted: Sat, 2nd Jul 2005 19:01 Post subject: |
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I guess everyone here has a degree in something, the beauty of the internet.
Jenni, 12 years of studying for what? Just for the information? I find that hard to believe.
"Techniclly speaking, Beta-Manboi didnt inject Burberry_Massi with Benz, he injected him with liquid that had air bubbles in it, which caused benz." - House M.D
"Faith without logic is the same as knowledge without understanding; meaningless"
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| Posted: Sat, 2nd Jul 2005 20:30 Post subject: |
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| CobbMk2 wrote: | | PoorLeno wrote: | | Well, psychology is pseudoscience. Psychology doesn't excercise the scientific method, thus I do agree with Tom. |
Psychoanalysis is a pseudo science yes.
However, Psychology is a large discipline containing many off-shoots. Neuropsychology (cognitive), Occupational Psychology and others use a far more scientific method and can be proven on a scientific basis as apposed to the Freudian Psychoanalysis stuff (which has as much grounding as Scientology itself). |
Didn't notice this until now. You are quite right, that there are some branches of modern science that interface with psychology in a way. Best example I can conjure up right away is perhaps neural networks.
Though you are right, that I'm bashing against psychoanalysis, I generally think that most branches of psychology are unfounded and require either more study or a broader perspective of analysis to begin with.
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Oh, and now that I've bothered to read the entire post , I feel compelled to point out that I don't see why the religion in question should be considered more or less fake than any other religion. Also, speaking of pseudoscience - guess where Soc, History & English land in my book?
*fells flames a'brewing* |
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Jenni
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| Posted: Sat, 2nd Jul 2005 22:04 Post subject: |
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Nah AM. I use my degree at work too.
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| Posted: Sun, 3rd Jul 2005 03:03 Post subject: |
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| PoorLeno wrote: | EDIT:
Oh, and now that I've bothered to read the entire post , I feel compelled to point out that I don't see why the religion in question should be considered more or less fake than any other religion. Also, speaking of pseudoscience - guess where Soc, History & English land in my book?
*fells flames a'brewing* |
I pretty much agree with your perspective, especially the bit of why the religion in question shouldn't be considered more or less fake than any other.
EDIT: Deleted midnight over-elaborate rant concerning Religion.
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| Posted: Sun, 3rd Jul 2005 03:26 Post subject: |
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I have a few work-mates that are Scientology followers and I have spoken to them about their religion.
Mr Cruise was purely spouting out the party line that he was brainwashed with. Absolutely no original thought on his part.
Tom Cruise failed high school yet he knows better than everyone else.
| kirkblitz wrote: | | You attack other people constantly for not loving blacks or asians or whatever. YOU are the most hateful of us all, you sit there and preach hate toward people who dont like diversity |
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| Posted: Sun, 3rd Jul 2005 09:40 Post subject: |
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Scientology is ALL about money - working with suppression, control and fear!
..sounds pretty fascist to me.
They all should enter their Starships and fly into the Sun 
Their teachings and structures are just dangerous Bullsh*t!
Cruise is an uneducated/brainwashed guy who's on promotion for his new SF-flick.
Incidently he shows how strong you can get if you are "clear" (the squirt-affair)
When i saw how he dealt with the "Waterguy", my first thought was: STAGED!!!
btw. ...he can't act !!!
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Jenni
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| Posted: Sun, 3rd Jul 2005 10:15 Post subject: |
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| ratio wrote: | Scientology is ALL about money - working with suppression, control and fear!
..sounds pretty fascist to me.
They all should enter their Starships and fly into the Sun
Their teachings and structures are just dangerous Bullsh*t!
Cruise is an uneducated/brainwashed guy who's on promotion for his new SF-flick.
Incidently he shows how strong you can get if you are "clear" (the squirt-affair)
When i saw how he dealt with the "Waterguy", my first thought was: STAGED!!!
btw. ...he can't act !!! |
Hehhehe! That raised a smile with me. |
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| Posted: Mon, 4th Jul 2005 20:14 Post subject: |
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Anyone who has half an ability of perception.
Yes, yes I'm back.
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