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| keewee23 wrote: | | That if i want quality lcd ips i should avoid lg , dell. They recommended me Samsung and Apple displays. But they are to expensive. |
News flash: all of Apple's monitors use the exact same LG panel Dell uses in the 2311 and 2711. Just at twice the price and calibrated worse. Dell's Ultrasharps are some of the best IPS monitors you can buy. The only better ones are professional ones from Eizo for example. Nice try, but whoever told you that is a clueless fuck. LG's IPS panels are popular for a reason - they are very good. However, the panel being good does not mean a monitor built around it is good; like I said, if you take Apple vs. Dell, Dell comes out better. And they literally use the *exact* same panel model (LED Cinema Display vs U2711; the U2711HM now uses a different panel).
Something like Samsung's S27A850D is indeed good, but it's slightly more expensive than Dell's U2711 and surprise surprise, the calibration on it is terrible. See http://flatpanelshd.com/review.php?subaction=showfull&id=1331899332 for example - to save you the trouble of reading it, his conclusion is: just like Dell's offerings inferior to Eizo's monitors, colour gamut and calibration are horrible out of the box, black depth is not as good as Dell. Upside is that it does not have the same grainy coating Dell's monitors have, so white is actually displayed a little more pleasant.
| Stige wrote: | Who said anything about image quality? I said I prefer 120Hz over IPS shit because 120Hz is just too gooooooooooooooood.
Image Quality is overrated, fluidity is what matters in games! |
Uh, that whole message was about colour uniformity and calibration, so naturally that's what my statement was about. You're the one who came barging in with your 120 Hz obsession.
And you may value fluidity more, but considering I can run most games at 60 FPS capped just fine there's very little smoothness to gain. I play almost everything at maximum quality settings, so at that point I find IQ more important.
Again though, preference is between IQ and fluidity. And there's no TN panel that can compete with even mediocre IPS panels when it comes to IQ. |
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| Posted: Sat, 22nd Jun 2013 15:16 Post subject: |
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I guess 60 fps on 120hz must feel at least weird or slow ?
But Also not the same as 60fps on 120hz old crt monitors. The way refresh rate works on lcd screens is a bit different. 60hz on crt felt terrible while on cld it is good.
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| Posted: Sat, 22nd Jun 2013 15:19 Post subject: |
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| KillerCrocker wrote: | I guess 60 fps on 120hz must feel at least weird or slow ?
But Also not the same as 60fps on 120hz old crt monitors. The way refresh rate works on lcd screens is a bit different. 60hz on crt felt terrible while on cld it is good. |
No, 60 FPS on 120 Hz looks exactly the same as it does on 60 Hz. It just means that every other frame, the monitor does not change its image. Just like 30 FPS at 60 Hz.
Problem is that "FPS" is a bad term to use. Frametimes are what matters and if they're irregular, no matter how fast your monitor refreshes, it will still display those frames in an irregular pattern. The difference is that at 120 Hz that pattern just shifts; depending on your actual frametimes it may appear smoother, but it also may very well appear worse. If you do get EXACTLY 33.33ms EVERY SINGLE FRAME - 30 FPS will look smooth. But you don't. There will always be frames at 25ms (40 FPS) and frames at 40ms (25 FPS). And that's why "30 FPS" rarely looks smooth. |
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| Posted: Sat, 22nd Jun 2013 15:31 Post subject: |
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I see. That's true. Radeonpro shows 33.33 when running in 30fps and about 16ms when running smooth 60fps. That + tb and 2frames render ahead gives smoothest gameplay for me.
On the topic - I wouldnt say a bad thing about dell ips now. I've looked long and hard almost a year ago for monitors and got u2312hm. 23 ips dell panel. It might be because I only had TN before that, but that dell looks fantastic. Blacks are black, viewing angles are fantastic and so on. Really, Really happy with it. + it have aspect ratio option in osd, if playing some old 4:3 games, there i no problem. Also colors reproduction seems great. Unlike my old tn samsung it passes all lagom lcd tests flawlessly.
And build quality is outstanding as is the stand (no pun intended)
But It have some things that might annoy some people.
There is no hdmi out which is a bummer !!! Only vga, dvi and displayport. I wonder how I will connect ps4 when it comes out. Dvi is taken by pc, vga by 360... so hdmi->displayport for ps4 ?
There is an antiglare coating which might appear grainy to some people. Especially on white backgrounds. Some people at overclock.net took the aa coating off succesfully. I don't mind it.
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| Posted: Sat, 22nd Jun 2013 16:18 Post subject: |
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| KillerCrocker wrote: | | There is no hdmi out which is a bummer !!! |
I'm sure you meant HDMI input? ;p
| Quote: | | Dvi is taken by pc, vga by 360... so hdmi->displayport for ps4 ? |
You do realise that your videocard and pretty much every other videocard from the last I dunno..3? years has DP out right? Just get a mini-DP -> DP cable, plug your PC in via DP and then you can use an HDMI -> DVI converter for the PS4. PS4'll have separate audio outputs still, so hook that up to your receiver or if your on-board has S/PDIF in, use that.
DP -> HDMI requires an active converter, which are much more expensive than a simple HDMI -> DVI plug. |
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| Posted: Sat, 22nd Jun 2013 16:59 Post subject: |
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I know that. Why the facepalm ? I just dont know that hdmi->dp is so expensive.
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SteamDRM-"Call of Duty is the symbol of the true perfection in every aspect. Call of Duty games are like Mozart's/Beethoven's symphonies"
deadpoetic-"are you new to the cyberspace?"
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| Posted: Sat, 22nd Jun 2013 19:13 Post subject: |
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could you take pictures of the monitor spykez? Especially bezel thickness no the sides
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| Posted: Sat, 22nd Jun 2013 20:01 Post subject: |
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I drool over the 27" version! But I have to get it from Germany :/
There are two kinds of people I can't stand in this world. People who are intolerant of other people's cultures, and the Dutch.
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| Posted: Mon, 24th Jun 2013 20:18 Post subject: |
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Pls respond Spykez, I'm asking because I heard that the bezel thickness is a flatout lie.
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| Posted: Mon, 24th Jun 2013 20:53 Post subject: |
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| Werelds wrote: | | keewee23 wrote: | | That if i want quality lcd ips i should avoid lg , dell. They recommended me Samsung and Apple displays. But they are to expensive. |
News flash: all of Apple's monitors use the exact same LG panel Dell uses in the 2311 and 2711. Just at twice the price and calibrated worse. Dell's Ultrasharps are some of the best IPS monitors you can buy. The only better ones are professional ones from Eizo for example. Nice try, but whoever told you that is a clueless fuck. LG's IPS panels are popular for a reason - they are very good. However, the panel being good does not mean a monitor built around it is good; like I said, if you take Apple vs. Dell, Dell comes out better. And they literally use the *exact* same panel model (LED Cinema Display vs U2711; the U2711HM now uses a different panel).
Something like Samsung's S27A850D is indeed good, but it's slightly more expensive than Dell's U2711 and surprise surprise, the calibration on it is terrible. See http://flatpanelshd.com/review.php?subaction=showfull&id=1331899332 for example - to save you the trouble of reading it, his conclusion is: just like Dell's offerings inferior to Eizo's monitors, colour gamut and calibration are horrible out of the box, black depth is not as good as Dell. Upside is that it does not have the same grainy coating Dell's monitors have, so white is actually displayed a little more pleasant.
| Stige wrote: | Who said anything about image quality? I said I prefer 120Hz over IPS shit because 120Hz is just too gooooooooooooooood.
Image Quality is overrated, fluidity is what matters in games! |
Uh, that whole message was about colour uniformity and calibration, so naturally that's what my statement was about. You're the one who came barging in with your 120 Hz obsession.
And you may value fluidity more, but considering I can run most games at 60 FPS capped just fine there's very little smoothness to gain. I play almost everything at maximum quality settings, so at that point I find IQ more important.
Again though, preference is between IQ and fluidity. And there's no TN panel that can compete with even mediocre IPS panels when it comes to IQ. |
LG is the *only* company that even makes IPS panels. Samsung markets theirs as IPS, but it's PLS.
So really you've only got two choices. Monitors with LG IPS, or Samsung PLS.
Anyways, I prefer HP's build myself. Typically a little cheaper then the Dell panels and use the same quality LG panel. The reason they are cheaper is because they are missing a lot of OSD functions / built in scaling and what not which is actually a benefit if gaming as their response time is slightly faster since the image doesn't have to pass through as much stuff first.
Although i'm a bit upset that HP hasn't released their updated 30'' LED model yet. My guess is that Dell did a deal with LG to be the only buyer of their 30'' LED panels for a certain period of time. I've been wanting to buy a 30'' LED panel for some time but i'd rather avoid Dell's offering and just wait for HP to eventually release their own.
And yeah, i'll never touch TN again. Ever. 120hz is nice and all but it doesn't make the experience so much better that it is worth such a huge degradation in image quality. Further, anything higher then 60hz is worthless if you don't have the hardware to push it anyways.
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| Posted: Mon, 24th Jun 2013 21:01 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Mon, 24th Jun 2013 21:25 Post subject: |
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The LG monitors themselves are shit compared to the other manufacturers IMO. Just because they make a good panel doesn't mean they know how to put it all together right.
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| Posted: Mon, 24th Jun 2013 22:03 Post subject: |
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| Mchart wrote: | LG is the *only* company that even makes IPS panels. Samsung markets theirs as IPS, but it's PLS.
So really you've only got two choices. Monitors with LG IPS, or Samsung PLS. |
Well technically, there's also Japan Display 
But yeah, LG are the only ones really. AUO don't do IPS either, they did their own VA panel that has very similar properties (AHVA).
| Quote: | | Anyways, I prefer HP's build myself. Typically a little cheaper then the Dell panels and use the same quality LG panel. |
Cheaper? o_O
Quite the opposite here, HP is slightly more expensive - not sure why though. Dell's calibration is slightly better, but overall there's very little difference in IQ really. Dell's just more popular here because they usually come with more inputs at slightly lower or same pricing. Good monitors either way and HP is still way better at calibrating their shit than Apple. With the iPhone 5 they finally got it right, so maybe the next Apple Displays will be better, although nothing will ever justify that 100% price hike |
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| Posted: Mon, 24th Jun 2013 22:14 Post subject: |
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| Mchart wrote: | | The LG monitors themselves are shit compared to the other manufacturers IMO. Just because they make a good panel doesn't mean they know how to put it all together right. |
i know you said "IMO", but do you have slightest proof to back up your claim? usually reviewers seem to ignore LG monitors and gives way too much attention to a single brand Dell. i'm not exactly sure why they do that, maybe ignorance or they are getting paid by dell. if you actually find review of LG and Dell monitors using same exact panel and compare numbers, you'll see that they are identical mostly, well duh, it's the same panel.
also, there are plenty cases where Dell force extreme overdrive, which isn't optional, and result is very high overshoot (google it). LG monitors allows you to customize how much overdrive you want to use. so LG doesn't know how to use their own panels? bull-fucking-shit.
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| Posted: Mon, 24th Jun 2013 22:58 Post subject: |
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| rgb#000 wrote: | | Mchart wrote: | | The LG monitors themselves are shit compared to the other manufacturers IMO. Just because they make a good panel doesn't mean they know how to put it all together right. |
i know you said "IMO", but do you have slightest proof to back up your claim? usually reviewers seem to ignore LG monitors and gives way too much attention to a single brand Dell. i'm not exactly sure why they do that, maybe ignorance or they are getting paid by dell. if you actually find review of LG and Dell monitors using same exact panel and compare numbers, you'll see that they are identical mostly, well duh, it's the same panel.
also, there are plenty cases where Dell force extreme overdrive, which isn't optional, and result is very high overshoot (google it). LG monitors allows you to customize how much overdrive you want to use. so LG doesn't know how to use their own panels? bull-fucking-shit. |
Building the panel and building the complete package are two different things. The LG monitors themselves tend to suffer from shitty stands compared to HP/Dell. Further, you say that Dell/Whomever tend to overdrive the panels to much compared to the LG brand monitors when the inverse is usually the case. The LG monitors in particular just usually have weird issues.
Again, just because the panel is the same doesn't mean the rest of the hardware driving that panel is.
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| Posted: Tue, 25th Jun 2013 00:20 Post subject: |
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what happened to my poor thread while I was gone lol
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| Posted: Tue, 25th Jun 2013 07:53 Post subject: |
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| farne wrote: | | could you take pictures of the monitor spykez? Especially bezel thickness on the sides |
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| Posted: Tue, 25th Jun 2013 09:17 Post subject: |
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| SpykeZ wrote: | | what happened to my poor thread while I was gone lol |
I anally raped it, blew my load up it's butt, and left it like a dead hooker
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| Posted: Tue, 25th Jun 2013 09:49 Post subject: |
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| Mchart wrote: | | The LG monitors in particular just usually have weird issues |
not really, it's just dumb people usually comparing LG's cheapest TN monitors to Dell's expensive IPS offerings. as i already said, if you compare same panel monitors from LG and Dell you'll see that often they have same exact stats and picture quality, not only that but LG's monitors are cheaper.
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| Posted: Tue, 25th Jun 2013 09:53 Post subject: |
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| rgb#000 wrote: | | Mchart wrote: | | The LG monitors in particular just usually have weird issues |
not really, it's just dumb people usually comparing LG's cheapest TN monitors to Dell's expensive IPS offerings. as i already said, if you compare same panel monitors from LG and Dell you'll see that often they have same exact stats and picture quality, not only that but LG's monitors are cheaper. |
No. I'm talking about their ultra wide in particular. It's IPS.
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| Posted: Tue, 25th Jun 2013 15:09 Post subject: |
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| Mchart wrote: | | SpykeZ wrote: | | what happened to my poor thread while I was gone lol |
I anally raped it, blew my load up it's butt, and left it like a dead hooker |
Anal creme pie, sounds hot |
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| Posted: Tue, 25th Jun 2013 16:35 Post subject: |
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:S
"Quantum mechanics is actually, contrary to it's reputation, unbeliveably simple, once you take the physics out."
Scott Aaronson | chiv wrote: | | thats true you know. newton didnt discover gravity. the apple told him about it, and then he killed it. the core was never found. |
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| Posted: Tue, 25th Jun 2013 18:45 Post subject: |
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there are so many things I could say with you posting right after that, but I'm not even going to because I <3 you.
[edit] oh god damnit Dingo, now I got images of hairy buttholes and 
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| Posted: Tue, 25th Jun 2013 19:00 Post subject: |
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hahahah 
You could have, I love to hear a good gay joke
But I'm not into creampies, I have class 
"Quantum mechanics is actually, contrary to it's reputation, unbeliveably simple, once you take the physics out."
Scott Aaronson | chiv wrote: | | thats true you know. newton didnt discover gravity. the apple told him about it, and then he killed it. the core was never found. |
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| Posted: Tue, 25th Jun 2013 22:15 Post subject: |
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but.. but...
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| Posted: Tue, 25th Jun 2013 23:02 Post subject: |
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| KillerCrocker wrote: | | but.. but... |
No, it's butt, you spelled it wrong
"Quantum mechanics is actually, contrary to it's reputation, unbeliveably simple, once you take the physics out."
Scott Aaronson | chiv wrote: | | thats true you know. newton didnt discover gravity. the apple told him about it, and then he killed it. the core was never found. |
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| Posted: Fri, 28th Jun 2013 22:49 Post subject: |
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7950 can reach hell of an OC on just air. I had mine at like 1050ghz on air and like...1500 on memory? When I went water it sits ate 1.2/1800
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| Posted: Fri, 28th Jun 2013 23:00 Post subject: |
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| SpykeZ wrote: | | 7950 can reach hell of an OC on just air. I had mine at like 1050ghz on air and like...1500 on memory? When I went water it sits ate 1.2/1800 |
holy fucking shit... EPIC!!!
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