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_SiN_
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Let me sum up Nailbiter´s and Godlikez answers, as i agree on them.
I´d take synthetic matieral in front of natural fur any day, you can´t possibly suggest that it tortures animals in the same way as in the vids?
And where you live, everytime you eat at KFC, a vegetarian comes up to you and shove their "vegetarian non-sense" down you throat? And, eating at KFC is fully natural? And you said every "real" vegetarian should grow their own food, do you kill every piece of meat you eat? And oh yeah, if whalefishing was banned, they wouldn´t find another job?
And fisk, am i taking pleasure from the animals SUFFERING when i eat meat that i think (i´m wrong, obviously  ) had once been a properly handled animal??
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| Posted: Tue, 15th Mar 2005 00:44 Post subject: |
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| -=Cartoon=- wrote: |
I go possum hunting... i kill as many of them as i can.. they are a PEST...
And if at the end of it u can turn it into this
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 if you didn't kill the possums she'd be naked... good going cartoon
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| Posted: Tue, 15th Mar 2005 00:49 Post subject: |
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MAD_MAX333
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| Posted: Tue, 15th Mar 2005 02:33 Post subject: |
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seriously , holy crap, how stupid can you be ... its not like there are any other nude pictures on the internet, you deprived my ONE chance of seeing a naked female...
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| Posted: Tue, 15th Mar 2005 02:40 Post subject: |
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the fuck was that all about mad_max333?
We're just two lost souls swimming in a fish bowl, year after year, running over the same old ground. What have we found? The same old fears. Wish you were here. |
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| Posted: Tue, 15th Mar 2005 02:40 Post subject: |
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| _SiN_ wrote: | Let me sum up Nailbiter´s and Godlikez answers, as i agree on them.
I´d take synthetic matieral in front of natural fur any day, you can´t possibly suggest that it tortures animals in the same way as in the vids?
And where you live, everytime you eat at KFC, a vegetarian comes up to you and shove their "vegetarian non-sense" down you throat? And, eating at KFC is fully natural? And you said every "real" vegetarian should grow their own food, do you kill every piece of meat you eat? And oh yeah, if whalefishing was banned, they wouldn´t find another job?
And fisk, am i taking pleasure from the animals SUFFERING when i eat meat that i think (i´m wrong, obviously ) had once been a properly handled animal?? |
You care about the enviroment, right? Apparently not. The deadly chemicals created in the process of creating these synthetic materials ruins the enviroment. But once again, you either dont care, or you were ignorent to that fact. I also love how you point out that you honestly care more about animals more then human beings. If you can save one minke whale (which happens to be extremely overpopulated in the oceans right now), at the cost of a countrys culture you'll do so. And the question wasnt pointed at me numbnuts. I'm not the one trying to be a vegetarian or meat only eater, i'm not trying to save anything except jobs. The term vegetarian implies that you dont eat meat. So I have a plan for you - Either go 100% vegetarian in your life and grow and cook all your shit, or stop bitching. You have no right to bitch pro-PETA bullshit when you dont even devote your life that way 100% of the time.
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| Posted: Tue, 15th Mar 2005 02:48 Post subject: |
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I really can't understand your argument Mchart. Do you honestly believe that what those videos show is right?
My god, what would it take to put those animals down before they skinned them. They seemed to enjoy the pain they caused. I wouldn't call those scum animals. They're far lower down the intelect level. Don't give me it's their culture shite. Theres not a culture on the planet that condones animal cruelty. Just a few sad individuals who get off on it as they get away with it.
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| Posted: Tue, 15th Mar 2005 03:14 Post subject: |
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| DiZzYD wrote: | | HAHA Injurious is goddamn funny |
of course!
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| Posted: Tue, 15th Mar 2005 03:33 Post subject: |
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| Jenni wrote: | I really can't understand your argument Mchart. Do you honestly believe that what those videos show is right?
My god, what would it take to put those animals down before they skinned them. They seemed to enjoy the pain they caused. I wouldn't call those scum animals. They're far lower down the intelect level. Don't give me it's their culture shite. Theres not a culture on the planet that condones animal cruelty. Just a few sad individuals who get off on it as they get away with it. |
You either completely missed the entire point to what I am saying, or chose not to comprehend it on purpose.
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| Posted: Tue, 15th Mar 2005 06:38 Post subject: |
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FOR THE ENVIRONMENT Animal agriculture takes a devastating toll on the earth. It is an inefficient way of producing food, since feed for farm animals requires land, water, fertilizer, and other resources that could otherwise have been used directly for producing human food.
Animal agriculture's dependence on higher yields accelerates topsoil erosion on our farmlands, rendering land less productive for crop cultivation, and forcing the conversion of wilderness to grazing and farm lands. Animal waste from massive feedlots and factory farms is a leading cause of pollution in our groundwater and rivers. The United Nations Food and Agriculture Organization has linked animal agriculture to a number of other environmental problems, including: contamination of aquatic ecosystems, soil, and drinking water by manure, pesticides, and fertilizers; acid rain from ammonia emissions; greenhouse gas production; and depletion of aquifers for irrigation.
In a time when population pressures have become an increasing stress on the environment, there are additional arguments for a vegan diet. The United Nations has reported that a vegan diet can feed many more people than an animal-based diet. For instance, projections have estimated that the 1992 food supply could have fed about 6.3 billion people on a purely vegetarian diet, 4.2 billion people on a 85% vegetarian diet, or 3.2 billion people on a 75% vegetarian diet.
http://www.vegan.org/about_veganism/environment.html
http://www.fao.org/livestock/lspa/lxehtml/tech/index.htm
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razor1394
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| Posted: Tue, 15th Mar 2005 08:45 Post subject: |
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The problem is that many fur makers use fur from endangered animals and just throw the meat down the drain. That's what I call waste. I've been a vegetarian myself for some years and I didn't have any problem. The whole metabolims and your intestines work much better witouth meat. But eating meat is not the big problem. Making animals suffer before they do is. Putting 100 chickens in some square meters and hanging cows upside down before getting slaughter by some sick farmers should not be allowed.
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| Posted: Tue, 15th Mar 2005 08:51 Post subject: |
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| -=Cartoon=- wrote: | | fisk wrote: | ---------------------------------------
Anyone who think the meat industries DOES NOT treat their livestock poorly are more gullible than Mchart and his damned conspiracy theories.
My cousins work in one of Sweden's largest meat producing companies, and the stories they've told me could turn almost anyone into a vegetarian (in fact, I was so gullible back then, I turned! I was one for over a year).
It's an industry that has to supply millions and millions of people with the flesh of dead animals, AND it's an industry that earns A LOT OF MONEY on it. With what you know about how other businesses work, is it that hard to believe that "humane treatment of animals they will kill" (lol, what a bunch of crap) goes out the door, and receives little to no resources? No - and you know what You don't care, you can sit here and play 'pretentious animal rights'-Billy all you like, in the end you just don't care. Give me a Big Mac, give me a T-bone steak with extra everything, give me a kebab, etc. etc.
"Hey! Meat comes packaged in plastic, that must mean it's not coming from an animal that suffered"
If you're too much of a pussy to admit to yourself that you're taking pleasure from animal's suffering, then fine - live in lala-land, ignorance is bliss. You don't fool me though.
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(1) U saying that people who eat meat enjoy animals suffering ?? i dont think thats true at all..
(2) Ive cut off a sheep's head before.. let me tell u.. its not a pretty thing.. they kick and go mental even when they have no head.. and blood is POURING out .. like a fucking hose... and no i didnt want to do it.. but it was the most humane way for the sheep to die at the time....
(3)and your right.. ive been to a meat processing plants.. they are not the nicest
(4) are they the same all around the world ???
(5) at the one i went to.. basically the animals were hearded in.. then got stunned unconscious.... u could see they were out cold.. they were fucked up.. then killed....
(6) its a horrible thing to see no doubt.. but for the job that the plant does (Killing animals) .. it did SEEM the most humane it could be ... |
1. I'm not talking first-hand suffering, however, saying people DON'T enjoy it is like saying "Hey! If IKEA uses children in low-economy countries to make my furniture, and it makes cheaper furniture for me, I don't cause the problem! It's IKEA:s fault!" (lala-land).
2. It's gruesome, it's messy, and I think every meat eater needs to have done it at least once.
I can admit to myself that I'm partly a predator (technically, we're omnivorous (all eating) we have the digestive system of both a plant-eater and a meat eater).
I can face the animal inside me, that stems from my reptilian brain, my instincts. I wonder how many people in this world deny they have one, and when it takes control, they go into a deep state of self-deceitful stupidity.
3. No, they aren't. I haven't been to a huge plant, though some of my relatives have a farm, and are hunters. So I've seen a lot of stuff like that, AND I've done it firsthand too.
I get the feeling most people would turn into chickenshits if they had to cut up an animal.
4. I think they get worse with the amount of consumers they have to satisfy.
5. Seen this, seen butchers cut the neck of some pig, bleeding it to death while it still lived. These companies officially claim: "We don't want stressed animals, it ruins the meat", that's nice and comforting words for meat eating ignorants.
6. I wouldn't ever call killing something that didn't really suffer in the first place "humane", that's terminology denialists use to sweeten up their own little worlds of blind stupidity.
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| Posted: Tue, 15th Mar 2005 17:30 Post subject: |
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I didn´t see myself pointing out that I love animals more than humans, i like them equally. Cause i think why should animals be treatened like that, and we not? Why is it ju cause we have the power to, we should torture them? And save ONE whale for a whole countries culture?? Does "whalefishing" consist of one single whale?? Are they extremely overpopulated? Ok thank you for that information, i didn´t know that (if it´s true). I´m not a vegetarian, never said i wanted to be, i don´t have a problem with eating meat, as long as the animal in question was properly handled (wich i´ve always thought, but now fisk among others are opening my eyes). And answer the question: Do you condone such treatment to animals as in the videos??
And yes, what razor said, what a fucking waste.
| fisk wrote: | | I get the feeling most people would turn into chickenshits if they had to cut up an animal. |
i´ve participated in a few moose-slaughters, dissected cow intestines (squeezed the liver in my hand) etc.
I would like to visit a meat processing plant here in sweden, to see the obviusly harsh reality.
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| Posted: Tue, 15th Mar 2005 17:48 Post subject: |
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You've just gotta hope that if one day we make contact with an alien civilisation that they don't treat us the way we treat the lesser animals.
Also, dissection is nothing like having to kill and cut up a live animal. I had trouble breaking a chickens neck, it kept squirming and it ended up with it's head half hanging off running around. It was pretty horrible.
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| Posted: Tue, 15th Mar 2005 17:56 Post subject: |
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| AnimalMother wrote: | You've just gotta hope that if one day we make contact with an alien civilisation that they don't treat us the way we treat the lesser animals.
Also, dissection is nothing like having to kill and cut up a live animal. I had trouble breaking a chickens neck, it kept squirming and it ended up with it's head half hanging off running around. It was pretty horrible. |
Yeah, but some peoploe deserve to be treated like that..
Hmm, maybe you´re right. Ouch, that´s bad..
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| Posted: Tue, 15th Mar 2005 18:34 Post subject: |
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No, you are right fisk. Actually, to be honest, i´d like to as you; Totally realistic and accepting it. Know what i mean?
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| Posted: Tue, 15th Mar 2005 21:54 Post subject: |
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| fisk wrote: | | AnimalMother wrote: | | Ah fisk spurting out the misanthropic crap, I didn't see that coming. |
You whining, bitching and being ignorant, like always, where are we going with this by the way?
Oh, yes - you're a twat, live in lala-land, and hate the fact that I'm right.
now cue the bitch and whine: |
See, now what this comes down to is a difference of opinion.
You think every human is a conceited, sadistic, amoral bastard. Whereas I do not.
There is no right or wrong in that kind of argument.
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| Posted: Wed, 16th Mar 2005 01:10 Post subject: |
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| AnimalMother wrote: |
(1) See, now what this comes down to is a difference of opinion.
(2) You think every human is a conceited, sadistic, amoral bastard. Whereas I do not.
(3) There is no right or wrong in that kind of argument. |
1. No, that's a malperception - it is either the case that animals suffer, or they don't. No matter what opinion you have, the statement will always either be true or false.
On the statement: "Humans take pleasure from animal's suffering", I mean it in an un-literary sense, humans take pleasure from eating (true) humans eat meat (true) meat comes from animals (true) most animals that are used for meat suffer (true).
All these premises are true, and therefore the conclusion I draw is that humans draw pleasure from animal suffering. It may not be a direct case, whereas people say: "I really like how the animals suffer", but it's ignorant to not realize the fact that your food most likely comes from a creature that suffered.
None of these propositions are a matter of opinion.
2. No, I do not. You are falsely accusing me of thinking things I don't. What I have is a perspective of humanity that doesn't close it eyes on the human dark side. I have no problem with the fact that humans have a tendency to behave like animals. What IS true though, is that in many cases I despise when humans can't control themselves, or cause suffering in others - something a marginal percentage (5-7% I'd reckon) does, and how this translates into an entire world population has to live in a certain amount of fear.
3. Yes there is, if you don't think so - you're just lost on the issue. I can recommend the book: "Reason and Argument" by Richard Feldman, ISBN: 0-13-624602-8.
And before you start wetting your pants with excitement and: "B-b-b-ut fisk, there REALLY is cases where opinion matters in these discussions!"
I'll say, Yes there is. But this isn't one of them.
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fisk
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| Posted: Wed, 16th Mar 2005 01:26 Post subject: |
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So, when you're replying directly after my post, not writ- ing who you're aiming your post at, and not choosing to quote anyone - how can anyone (or in this case me) ever know who you're talking to?
- How about learning the basics of forum communication?
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I'll write that down. Promise.
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