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| dryan wrote: | | The media is the most powerful tool the US government has. Most of the public will swallow whatever bullshit the media feeds them. It's almost a form of mind control. It's not exclusive to the US but I'd say the US is where it is most powerful and most utilised. |
And not only by governments... corporations (especially car and cell phone co.'s) have been known to use the power of the media to influence public opinion, FOX news would collectively suck the government's dicks for exclusive coverage, and the printed media is publishing anything that sells copies, to the point that some papers are automatically regarded as bullshit. All that this scene is missing is someone with the money and power to become the american people's puppet master. If (when) the "shadow government" starts to use media to gain control of the people, it will have the power to do anything...
Then again, look at some examples in recent history: Before the 1960's, discrimination against blacks was common for hundreds of years. Slavery, segregation, open hate, etc. were socially acceptable to them and other races (most notably jews). What happened? Did society "grow up" over 40 years? Did that which lasted since the time of cavemen eradicate itself in less than one generation? I think not. Now, suddenly, it is socially unacceptable - even shameful - to be prejudiced toward another race. Did humanity become "good" on it's own within 40 years? Did we learn to love, care for another? Are we a global family? Go outside and ask a stranger if he will let you come over to his house and hang out if you want the answer. So what was this miraculous influence? I believe it was the media, either acting as a puppet under somebody higher than the government, or individually. But then again, did all the big media execs learn to love in 40 years? Simultaneously? The evidence says otherwise.
Also, why are the American people in agreement with the war in Iraq? Are we all blood-thirsty mongrels that want to nuke the hell out of a country who's name we can't pronounce? Are we the nuclear saints that want to convert another country to Christianity? Do everyday people care whether or not Bush gets a good deal on his oil purchases? I think not. What, then, drove us to believe that we must go to war, sacrifice the lives of our soldiers and theirs, for any of those reasons? Guess.
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| Posted: Fri, 4th Mar 2005 11:55 Post subject: |
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I sort of expected Mchart to jump on this train... and he did!
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| Posted: Fri, 4th Mar 2005 14:56 Post subject: Re: 9/11 pentagon attack |
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| Posted: Fri, 4th Mar 2005 17:09 Post subject: |
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Unlike you fisk, my head is not up my ass. Not to mention the only thing I ever see you do on this forum is flame people, I havent once seen a useful post that you made in the time that i've been here.
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| Posted: Fri, 4th Mar 2005 17:31 Post subject: |
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hahaha get rid of fisk name and get rid of the flame part and you'd be thinkin he's talking about me  
We're just two lost souls swimming in a fish bowl, year after year, running over the same old ground. What have we found? The same old fears. Wish you were here.
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| Posted: Fri, 4th Mar 2005 17:31 Post subject: Re: 9/11 pentagon attack |
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| _SiN_ wrote: |
I´m sorry JeanPerrier! |
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| Posted: Fri, 4th Mar 2005 17:34 Post subject: Re: 9/11 pentagon attack |
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| Posted: Fri, 4th Mar 2005 17:57 Post subject: |
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and you like it!
We're just two lost souls swimming in a fish bowl, year after year, running over the same old ground. What have we found? The same old fears. Wish you were here.
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| Posted: Fri, 4th Mar 2005 19:29 Post subject: |
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Stay to topic please. Anyone watched the vids?
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| Posted: Fri, 4th Mar 2005 19:42 Post subject: |
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I personally beleive we went to the moon, just the fact that we do have moon rocks, that did actually come from the moon, is what settles it for me.
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| Posted: Fri, 4th Mar 2005 20:04 Post subject: |
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| Mchart wrote: | | I personally beleive we went to the moon, just the fact that we do have moon rocks, that did actually come from the moon, is what settles it for me. |
But that's what the government says. The rocks could have been taken from some old asteroid or something. And I still don't understand how a flag could move like that in vacuum.
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| Posted: Fri, 4th Mar 2005 21:35 Post subject: |
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| razor1394 wrote: | | Stay to topic please. Anyone watched the vids? |
i watched the disclosure project and wow
the others i have to find a place that rents them 
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| Posted: Fri, 4th Mar 2005 22:47 Post subject: |
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| razor1394 wrote: | | Mchart wrote: | | I personally beleive we went to the moon, just the fact that we do have moon rocks, that did actually come from the moon, is what settles it for me. |
But that's what the government says. The rocks could have been taken from some old asteroid or something. And I still don't understand how a flag could move like that in vacuum. |
Yes, exactly its a vacuum, but the moon is still has very little gravity, so this means that the initial force of putting the flag into the ground had to go somewhere. And the only somewhere it could go was into the flag itself, so of course it would wave and wobble around. Not to mention that whole shadow thing was blown out of proportions, no one seems to realise that all the shadows were caused by the many light sources in the universe, AKA other stars. So of course there would be shadows like that. Then on top of that, I hate to say it, but if we didnt goto the moon, then why did russia stop their race to the moon? Russia would have continued their race to the moon if the U.S. didnt actually go. And dont say "Oh, they were tricked just like us". Russia probally knows more about the U.S. Then even LBJ did at the time. If the US faked it, russia would have known, end of story. On top of that, have you ever tried to consider how many people would be involved in making a fake moon landing? A shitload. The operation would have been so messy, that it would have definatly been found out.
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| Posted: Fri, 4th Mar 2005 23:09 Post subject: |
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I didn't think the dispute was whether they went to the moon or not, but actually whether the video's that were released showed the real moon landing.
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| Posted: Fri, 4th Mar 2005 23:23 Post subject: |
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| Dr. Steven Greer, “Foundations of Interplanetary Unity” wrote: |
“The evidence that at least one extraterrestrial civilization has visited Earth is extensive both in scope and detail. In its totality it comprises a body of evidence which at the very least supports the general assessment that extraterrestrial life has been detected, and that a vigorous program of research and serious diplomatic initiatives is warranted. Consider the following overview of facts:
• There are numerous daytime and night time photographs and videotapes of clearly non-human spacecraft from all over the world; these films and videotapes have been evaluated and deemed authentic by competent experts in optical physics and related fields.
• There are more than 3500 military and commercial aircraft pilot reports of encounters worldwide; many cases have corroborating radar documentation and multiple witnesses both on the ground and in the air.
• There are more than 4000 landing trace cases from around the world.
• There are hundreds of electromagnetic cases where spacecraft have been observed by police, military personnel and civilians to affect car engines, radios and other electric devices.
• There are more than 100 first- and second- hand witnesses to the retrieval of an extraterrestrial spacecraft and at least four extraterrestrial bodies from a crash which occurred in July, 1947, 75 miles northwest of Roswell, New Mexico; written and videotaped testimony from several first-hand witnesses who are respected military officers have been obtained.
• There are hundreds of credible reports, many with multiple witnesses, of humanoids in association with landed spacecraft.
• There are several multiple-witnessed events where humans have been taken on board spacecraft.
• CSETI (The Center for the Study of Extraterrestrial Intelligence) has in the past 18 months succeeded in intentionally establishing contact with extraterrestrial spacecraft, on two occasions at very close range, and with multiple witnesses present.
• Various polls have indicated that approximately 10% of Americans (25 million people) have seen them at close range so that details of the structure of the object can be discerned.
• Numerous US. Government documents exist which indicate that these objects are real and have been involved with observing Earth for several decades.
It is an understatement to say that the time has arrived for a serious and open international dialogue regarding the possibility of future interplanetary relations. In no other area of human experience has so much evidence existed for so long, and yet been attended by such a paucity of serious research and analysis - at least in the civilian domain. While the subject matter [of UFOs] itself is extraordinary, it is the absence of a serious human response to it that is most extraordinary.”
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The UFO phenomenon in a suitcase . Lots of other comments over here http://www.ufoevidence.org/NewSite/Papers/UFOQuotes.htm. And what do you believe about JFK? He did infact try to disclosure this "truth".
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| Posted: Sat, 5th Mar 2005 03:29 Post subject: |
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JFK was the one man who could have saved the world from overall shit. The military didnt like this, hoover, the most powerful man on the world realistically didnt like him either, put 2 and 2 together.
And for the aliens, I beleive if there were aliens that did really visit our planet, they would make them selves known, they wouldnt do this kind of bullshit. Personally I beleive its just all our own government, and not beings from another solar system.
If a country can murder its own president, and kill thousands of its own people just to get into a war so all the big arm suppliers could make more money, I would imagine they would also have technology as advance as we see in UFO's.
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| Posted: Sat, 5th Mar 2005 04:11 Post subject: |
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| Mchart wrote: | JFK was the one man who could have saved the world from overall shit. The military didnt like this, hoover, the most powerful man on the world realistically didnt like him either, put 2 and 2 together.
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You give him far too much appraisal, too many people (particularly americans) tend to idolize the man. Perhaps 58´000 lives would've been spared if he lived - perhaps not. There are more factors in play than the decisions of one man in a government, and speculating about them is pure guesswork. What you see as "adding 2 + 2" is just fragments of sand thrown against the wind. Or perhaps you should be working for some agency as an analysist? Your word apparently carries more weight than the entire gathered investigative efforts ever done to somehow prove anything beyond speculation in this case.
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And for the aliens, I beleive if there were aliens that did really visit our planet, they would make them selves known, they wouldnt do this kind of bullshit. Personally I beleive its just all our own government, and not beings from another solar system. |
Ah! But what happens if Santa Claus is real? Won't he be mad?
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If a country can murder its own president, and kill thousands of its own people just to get into a war so all the big arm suppliers could make more money, I would imagine they would also have technology as advance as we see in UFO's. |
Not that your argument is very strong, but what a government does, reflects what it's people does too. Americans put the government where they are - what they sow, they also shall reap. As for the pursuit of money, that is hardly exclusive to a government...
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| Posted: Sat, 5th Mar 2005 04:13 Post subject: |
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By the way, shouldn't this thread be in the politics section?
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| Posted: Sat, 5th Mar 2005 04:57 Post subject: |
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| fisk wrote: | | Mchart wrote: | JFK was the one man who could have saved the world from overall shit. The military didnt like this, hoover, the most powerful man on the world realistically didnt like him either, put 2 and 2 together.
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You give him far too much appraisal, too many people (particularly americans) tend to idolize the man. Perhaps 58´000 lives would've been spared if he lived - perhaps not. There are more factors in play than the decisions of one man in a government, and speculating about them is pure guesswork. What you see as "adding 2 + 2" is just fragments of sand thrown against the wind. Or perhaps you should be working for some agency as an analysist? Your word apparently carries more weight than the entire gathered investigative efforts ever done to somehow prove anything beyond speculation in this case.
| Mchart wrote: |
And for the aliens, I beleive if there were aliens that did really visit our planet, they would make them selves known, they wouldnt do this kind of bullshit. Personally I beleive its just all our own government, and not beings from another solar system. |
Ah! But what happens if Santa Claus is real? Won't he be mad?
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If a country can murder its own president, and kill thousands of its own people just to get into a war so all the big arm suppliers could make more money, I would imagine they would also have technology as advance as we see in UFO's. |
Not that your argument is very strong, but what a government does, reflects what it's people does too. Americans put the government where they are - what they sow, they also shall reap. As for the pursuit of money, that is hardly exclusive to a government... |
Thank you for a post which finally had depth to it... You could have done without the santa claus is real part though.
My word? My word also includes thousands of other people who think the same way. It is just so obvious what happend.. In fact, there is more evidence supporting what I "think" over what is accepted by common society. Yet you continue to bury your head in the ground to the fact. Why?
It is a known fact that JFK would have saved thousands of american AND vietnamese lives. Just that alone is what makes him so great. He actually fought for good ideals, and not the ideals for big business.
Yes, we put this government in, but when we put it in there was no way of telling that it would end up like this. Unless 70% of the citizens of the united states dont like whats happening, nothing will be changed. So that means the 69% who want change are fucked over. I didnt vote for bush, and I didnt vote for kerry or gore either. And realistically there is jack shit I could do to change things. Do you really think they would give a shit what I thought, if they didnt even care what their own president said?
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| Posted: Sat, 5th Mar 2005 09:26 Post subject: |
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| fisk wrote: | | By the way, shouldn't this thread be in the politics section? |
There is no politics section. Either It is a news topic or it is a general discussion. This discussion emerged from the 9/11 conspiracy video. Now It has gone 9/11 - UFO's - JFK - Moon landing, hehe.
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| Posted: Sat, 5th Mar 2005 15:16 Post subject: |
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I just wanna add something: The one who doesn´t belive in aliens must think we people are, like "divine". Cause why should we be the only intelligent life in the infinetly sized universe? I mean, every star is another sun.
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| Posted: Sat, 5th Mar 2005 18:32 Post subject: |
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Yes but there is only one god and evolution is bullshit because god does not believe in evolution... man is made by god! Period! If you believe in aliens you go to hell because you do not believe in god!
All religious people heavily into jebus and jehoba and they don't believe in little green men and there are more religious people than there are et believers  so the reason why all this shit is kept out of the loop is that it would cause a chaotic breakdown on the streets 
Just imagine you spent 20 years believing in/worshiping your god. Doing everything to get into heaven and then one day the government tells you that your god doesn't exist that we are descendants of an ancient extinct alien race and we have wee aliens monitoring us and helping us evolve/grow biotechnologically and technologically wise. You'd kill yer self wouldn’t you?  I would!
We're just two lost souls swimming in a fish bowl, year after year, running over the same old ground. What have we found? The same old fears. Wish you were here.
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| Posted: Sat, 5th Mar 2005 19:11 Post subject: |
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There is no up and down no left and right anyway you fly is straight you wouldn't even notice that you're flying in a circle It’s like the ocean before exploring began. It was 'infinite'
When we start exploring space soon we'll find an island and find it inhabited by little green men. And like our common nature we'll try and take over try to bribe them with shiny objects and if it fails shot em then an intergalactic war will start and just like that human race will become extinct
Do you really want to know what’s out there? Even if it means destroying everything you have right here?
We're just two lost souls swimming in a fish bowl, year after year, running over the same old ground. What have we found? The same old fears. Wish you were here.
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| Posted: Sat, 5th Mar 2005 20:02 Post subject: |
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The universe is expanding constantly...
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| Posted: Sat, 5th Mar 2005 20:09 Post subject: |
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Not to mention there is more then 1 universe. There are universes. So whatever way you want to think about it, there litterally is a possibility for anything out there.
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