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| razor1394 wrote: | | Computers and hardware bundled with M$ crap software and other apps like antivirus, burning and office apps, etc. It's just wrong. The user should be able to choose the OS he wan't separately, he may also already have for ex a XP license to use on the comp. |
some of the lower-end companies are starting to catch on to this and offer their laptops in 2 flavors - Win XP (standard price) and no OS (~$200 lower, no software included). When given a choice I opt for the latter to save cash, but you must consider these companies' target market, which is not only the tech-savvy, but also the common yokel, who rejoices every time he/she/it manages to hit "enter" and whose scope of interests is limited to iexplorer and word. If you want a look at the fuckers, go to any Microsoft Office/Windows class or course, you'll get the idea. I myself have had to go halfway across the [huge] school I go to just because some dumbass teacher did not know how to resize his fucking screen resolution. Most of them were at a painful 800x600... on 17" screens. |
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Qontact
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| Posted: Fri, 3rd Dec 2004 02:19 Post subject: |
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no money . im a fcking thief
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razor1394
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| Posted: Fri, 3rd Dec 2004 10:08 Post subject: |
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Accelleron -> True, I've seen they are doing that alot in the US. Unfortunately most stores here are still bundling windows. I just feel sorry for all poor old people who has to stand Norton and Windows etc. Just look at that M$ "Get the facts campaign", pure crap and old info. Luckily Novell striked back.
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| Posted: Fri, 3rd Dec 2004 14:57 Post subject: |
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hahahahaha... get the pure facts. The only thing Microsoft is capable of releasing is pure crap.
As for old people having to "endure" Windows and Norton, I beg to differ.
The majority of the computer-illiterate do not want the advanced features of Linux. They have a hard enough time learning Windows, but for them it is possible to go from 0 PC knowledge to Basic Windows in 2-3 weeks. In that Windows is a good platform for beginners. Hell, I can only imagine Grandpa screaming at the linux console because he forgot how to spell "admin." As for Norton, same thing: it provides a decent feature set that is accessible with a minimum learning curve. They can get to Agnitum when they're ready.
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| Posted: Sun, 5th Dec 2004 11:36 Post subject: |
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Because roughly 99% of game companies don't deserve my money for the crap they put out and the ones that do still charge too much. Plus, copy protection (ie, having to look for the CD/DVD every time I want to play the game) pisses me off.
Looking at my collection now, I have bought 3 games (because I thought they were worth it) in the last 5 years. Even if I buy a game I'll install the cracked version and keep the original on the shelf, because it's easier.
When it comes to apps I tend to use programs that cost a fortune like Logic (£600) and Sound Forge (£300) that I could never normally afford to pay for.
These programs are more worth paying for than most games however, they're not worth the silly amounts currently being charged. The companies only do it because they know that the majority of thier customers will be recording studios or large media companies that can afford to fork out hundreds of pounds for their software.
What business is it of yours what I do, read, buy, see, say, think, who I fuck, what I take into my body - as long as I do not harm another human being on this planet? - Bill Hicks
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| Posted: Sun, 5th Dec 2004 16:55 Post subject: |
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| RoadRunner12 wrote: | | Because roughly 99% of game companies don't deserve my money for the crap they put out |
Then why download it?
| RoadRunner12 wrote: | | and the ones that do still charge too much. Plus, copy protection (ie, having to look for the CD/DVD every time I want to play the game) pisses me off. |
Don't forget that it's not the software companies that are causing the insane prices. Just like you blame artists who get at most $1 for $17 CDs, you tend to blame the developers for the $50-odd for games. Don't forget, Valve is still getting the raw end of the deal here. If they could cut their contracts off Vivendi and charge $30 for HL2 via steam, and know that enough people would buy it - they would. As a matter of fact, my congratulations goes to Valve for finding a way to cut out the middle man. As for the reason you're still paying $50 for steam's version - contracts. The fucklards at Vivendi don't want to lose the HL2 cash cow. If everyone says "fuck retail" and goes Steam, Vivendi loses out. Bigtime. Therefore Vivendi made Valve agree to sell it at a comparable price to retail. |
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| Posted: Sun, 5th Dec 2004 18:34 Post subject: |
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Probaly 90% of the ppl who voted "Testing before buying" are hypocrites.
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Cheez-It
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| Posted: Sun, 5th Dec 2004 18:51 Post subject: |
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another option could be my situation...
Before I discovered piracy back in high school, I owned NO movies, a total of 3 music CD's, ONE computer game, and would buy console games about once, maybe twice a year if I was lucky (generally christmas, and if I begged enough would get one birthday too...) So, even if I HAD the money, and there was no such thing as piracy, I would not be buying a large amount of games/music/movies. Because piracy is an option, I don't see it as "stealing" when I try out stuff, simply because I would not have brought it in stores regardless. Now, if a game comes along like Half-Life 2, Age Of Empires 2, or something else that grabs my attention as a quality game that I will enjoy for a long time, I will shell out the cash. The same is not true for music, I rarely buy CD's, as there is this thing called a radio, but if there is some amazing album that I think the artist deserves money for, I will cave (this doesn't happen often). For movies I've always been a renter or watched them on TV or in a theatre... Never plan on buying something I'm going to watch once and then shelve.
I won't criticize your reasons of piracy, but I don't believe "copy protection" and "It's just easier and more convenient this way" (to a certain extent) are not valid reasons...
"Nah I hate valve... but I like the idea of steam. No cds to fuss over. No bull shit. It’s always there to get what you want. Yeah you do need a decent connection to get the most out of steam. But still you still got to respect it. It was made by two guys and look you; have up to the minute update, their servers are huge so if you do have a decent connection there’s nothing to hate. " Finally someone sensible who realizes how amazingly convenient this is for anyone with a reasonable inet connection... I wanted to play CS a little this year, was quite dissapointed when I realized I had left my HL CD and serial at home, but wait! then I realized that since they used steam, I could just log in and download it! None of those FKING pain in the ass updates you had to do, steam just downloads the newest version and your ready to play! I don't know if you guys remember what a PAIN in the ass it was to update half life if you were reinstalling, but let me tell you, it was probably the most annoying process I ever went through... Steam has worked perfectly for me, I downloaded HL2 and CSS in less than an hour, and come validation day I had no hiccups whatsoever.
I disagree on you not liking valve though, they put out quality games instead of cashing in on the name like a real greedy person would do (eg EA games with sims addons, though they did a stand up job with sims 2) and they make the replayability of their games last YEARS, which certainly doesn't mean greed to me...
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| Posted: Tue, 7th Dec 2004 23:54 Post subject: |
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warez is the reason why I don't buy games any more, not because its free though , its because with so many too choose from , I don't value games enough to spend time nor money on them.
Only game i bought in the last year was pro evo soccer 4 ( and before this , pes3 ) for both ps2 and xbox , Mainly so i could play on live and take it to my mates house
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| Posted: Fri, 10th Dec 2004 13:58 Post subject: |
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| Accelleron wrote: | | RoadRunner12 wrote: | | Because roughly 99% of game companies don't deserve my money for the crap they put out |
Then why download it?
| RoadRunner12 wrote: | | and the ones that do still charge too much. Plus, copy protection (ie, having to look for the CD/DVD every time I want to play the game) pisses me off. |
Don't forget that it's not the software companies that are causing the insane prices. Just like you blame artists who get at most $1 for $17 CDs, you tend to blame the developers for the $50-odd for games. Don't forget, Valve is still getting the raw end of the deal here. If they could cut their contracts off Vivendi and charge $30 for HL2 via steam, and know that enough people would buy it - they would. As a matter of fact, my congratulations goes to Valve for finding a way to cut out the middle man. As for the reason you're still paying $50 for steam's version - contracts. The fucklards at Vivendi don't want to lose the HL2 cash cow. If everyone says "fuck retail" and goes Steam, Vivendi loses out. Bigtime. Therefore Vivendi made Valve agree to sell it at a comparable price to retail. |
1. How am I to know whether or not it's crap without trying it first? I'm certainly not going to spend money on something only to find out it's not worth it. Plus, some games are worth playing they're just not worth shop prices.
2. Fair point, but I didn't really see the point of making the distinction for the scope of this thread. Who's to blame for the high cost doesn't change the fact that high prices are my main reason for not buying software.
I never used to buy any games when I was younger because I was poor and couldn't afford it. Now that I'm older and can afford it I find there are less and less games that are worth the cash (most of them are the same gameplay formulae over and over with mediocre graphics and sound) and now they're more expensive than ever. Every once in a while something comes out that's ground breaking in one or two areas and might actually make me take more than a passing interest and I'll buy it.
Personally, I like the idea of Steam for downloading games as it saves me a trip to the shops and, as you say, at least attempts to cut out the middle man. I just don't like that I can't play even the single player game if my net connection goes down for some reason. Which is why, even though I bought HL2, I still play the cracked version.
What business is it of yours what I do, read, buy, see, say, think, who I fuck, what I take into my body - as long as I do not harm another human being on this planet? - Bill Hicks
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gobo
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| Posted: Thu, 16th Dec 2004 04:44 Post subject: |
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| gobo wrote: | | Niggas aint got cheese |
Yrch... |
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| Posted: Thu, 16th Dec 2004 18:33 Post subject: |
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| Cheez-It wrote: | | Because piracy is an option, I don't see it as "stealing" when I try out stuff, simply because I would not have brought it in stores regardless. |
Yeah, and that makes absolutely no sense. So when a shoplifter steals something, it's not stealing, because he wouldn't have bought it anyway.
What a load of shit. It's stealing, theres no way around it. Just because you're not physically taking something from a shop doesn't make it any less a crime.
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Invasor
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| Posted: Thu, 13th Jan 2005 04:08 Post subject: |
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The only reason why I pirate really is because I can get games a few months before they're released in england.
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Godlikez*
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kurisu
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| Posted: Fri, 21st Jan 2005 11:34 Post subject: |
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coz i live in europe, all good shit (movies and games and mp3 albums) comes out three to six months too late for me to still care about it. i want the stuff while it's fresh. importing is just too expensive.
animalmother: it's not stealing it's copyright infringement. stop talking out of your ass about stuff you clearly know nothing about.
don't i need some magical illegal thing?
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-=Cartoon=-
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razor1394
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| Posted: Wed, 16th Mar 2005 11:58 Post subject: |
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I think we have to take it as granted that people at least download something when coming here.
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| Posted: Wed, 16th Mar 2005 12:14 Post subject: |
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i download lots of music albums since the prices here are way to high. 15-20 euro for an album 
only buy an album if i want the original. with booklet and such.
movies i also download, if i like the movie, then i buy it online for a cheaper prices then in the stores 
pretty much the same like it said in my first reply
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| Posted: Sun, 20th Mar 2005 20:14 Post subject: |
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All of the options above, except the "No option to buy where I live"
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| Posted: Tue, 22nd Mar 2005 02:30 Post subject: |
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| AnimalMother wrote: | | Cheez-It wrote: | | Because piracy is an option, I don't see it as "stealing" when I try out stuff, simply because I would not have brought it in stores regardless. |
Yeah, and that makes absolutely no sense. So when a shoplifter steals something, it's not stealing, because he wouldn't have bought it anyway.
What a load of shit. It's stealing, theres no way around it. Just because you're not physically taking something from a shop doesn't make it any less a crime. |
Piracy and stealing tangible items are very different.
I'm dead serious when I say, if I could not pirate, I would not be forced to buy the games either. Games are a nice little pleasure every once in a while, but they aren't worth $50+ to me; not by a long shot.
I'm not justifying it, it definitely isn't fair. But guess what? I am a good person, with a conscience. And this conscience of mine is not bothered by pirating games.
Music: I both buy and pirate.
Movies: I go to the theatre lots, buy DVDs sometimes. I only pirate a screener every so often when I love a movie in theatres and can't wait for it to hit DVD, and I usually end up buying it anyway.
So yeah, obviously pirating is wrong. But don't listen to the RIAA or MPAA: they're full of crap. They're doing just fine, same with the artists, they're just greedy bastards. Game piracy is a similar story, though it is becoming more and more expensive to produce games so I have some sympathy there.
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Jenni
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| Posted: Tue, 22nd Mar 2005 02:46 Post subject: |
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| AnimalMother wrote: | | The only reason why I pirate really is because I can get games a few months before they're released in england. |
Not really a valid answer actually. Show me a game that's not released in England and not available for import. Or show me a game that's released not in good time that you can't find on import that you can import yourself.
The reason I pirate is simple. Development costs, distribution plus manufacture costs no way add up to the costs at the retail end.
Take a DVD for example. Low cost to make them, compared with tape. Yet DVD's are so much more expensive than tape. Yes they tell us they're better quality. But this tells me that the industry is more apt to get high quality goods out on the market, yet forces us to pay through the nose for them.
Remember when Nintendo was brought before the mergers and monopoly comission. High prices. Yes the MMC case was thrown out, but with recommendations. None that have since been followed by any company bringing out software or films.
The real thieves are the people who act as middleman, gone are the days that I line their pockets.
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| Posted: Tue, 22nd Mar 2005 02:54 Post subject: |
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well think back to a few years ago when FLT WERE getting 2 month early games that's when i started and its been like a disease and carried on 
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