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AnimalMother




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PostPosted: Mon, 7th Jun 2004 05:16    Post subject:
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has nothing to with America logic, it is human nature. eye for an eye.

if this happen 60 years ago, your country and other would have called for total all out war.


No, that is shit american logic. Any other country would have attacked the perpetrators and left it at that.

But for some reason the americans agree that it would be wise to attack another country because they're 'on a roll'.

Amercia is the only country I know of that attacks other countries because it is in the victims best intrests. Rolling Eyes


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PostPosted: Mon, 7th Jun 2004 05:36    Post subject:
that is call ( having balls )


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sexyjesus is the only person on this forum, that cuts down his own, so-called country.
The only one.
Never once anything positive, only negative.
And you people fall for it hook line and sinker.

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PostPosted: Mon, 7th Jun 2004 05:45    Post subject:
your posts aren't logical
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PostPosted: Mon, 7th Jun 2004 05:52    Post subject:
I would be saying fight but well it depend on the reason why my country would go in war with this country. If they go in war because they THINK they can be dangerous and THEY think they MAY have WMD, then no. BUt if we attack them because they attacked us or thing like that (for good reason) then yes.

4me2: WW2 and whats happening right now are two different things. Let's say that U.S go in war right now and they draft American for this war and they say it's for national security and they provide you reason like, they are dangerous for us we have proof. You will blindly trust them? after all the lie with the Iraq war?

Starter: Well if what you are saying really show what most American think than your country is way more ignorant/stupid thant what I thought. But well I think you are the minority and the majority of American don't think like you so it's ok.
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PostPosted: Mon, 7th Jun 2004 06:26    Post subject:
I'd go for it
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PostPosted: Mon, 7th Jun 2004 07:09    Post subject:
AnimalMother wrote:
4me2 wrote:
all of those OAP veterans I saw at the Dday rememberance have more fight i them still and moral than all you wussies who voted conciencious objector or leg it to Canada.

You people are a disgrace , If it wasnt for people who faught in the past youd all be talking German now and not sitting at your keyboards acting like spolit brat screaming jessies.

Give me 3 months with you rabble in a boot camp .


Yeah the majoity of them were forced into the army, you really think they would have done that given the choice.

The majority of people who say "yeah man, i'd fight for my country no sweat" would start crying once they got on the battlefield.


Huh ? ur profile says your from the UK... if it wasnt for people from all around the world in the commonwealth + america coming to save you.. no doubt u would be speaking german right now..

I think if u go back to ww2 it was a war alot of people wanted to be involved in.. i mean seriously your country had its back against the wall and your country men did want to fight for a reason...
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PostPosted: Mon, 7th Jun 2004 10:00    Post subject:
cybersurfer wrote:
4me2 wrote:
all of those OAP veterans I saw at the Dday rememberance have more fight i them still and moral than all you wussies who voted conciencious objector or leg it to Canada.

You people are a disgrace , If it wasnt for people who faught in the past youd all be talking German now and not sitting at your keyboards acting like spolit brat screaming jessies.

Give me 3 months with you rabble in a boot camp .


What about the Iraq war don't you think its opened up a whole can of worms intrems of "Homeland Security", there are wars that should be avoided, it was totally unnessary, interms of finding "Weapons Of Mass Destruction". I would have no problems being a Conscientious Objector in this circumstance. But WW2 is a different story because of a madman trying to take over the world & kill races! It was a war that could not be avoided


the difference between WW2 and now is that a madman has been replaced with a mad religion with no clear leader trying to take over the world.

Fact is that in most of the worlds oil reserves countries theres that barbaric religion dictating things. Oil prices control everything and I mean everything.
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PostPosted: Mon, 7th Jun 2004 10:10    Post subject:
hydrogen 4 life ! Very Happy
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PostPosted: Mon, 7th Jun 2004 11:17    Post subject:
AnimalMother wrote:
arw wrote:
I would fight for my country without blinking an eye.


The army needs cannon fodder like you.


Well the British ppl are very lucky our country doesn't rely on cowardly pukes like you then isn't it....You might want to take a trip to France you'll be more than welcome there. Laughing

HAHAHA...just read the thread about your gay neighbour...i know i said coward but damn...calling you a coward is an insult to cowards..LMFAO. Laughing Laughing Laughing
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PostPosted: Mon, 7th Jun 2004 15:46    Post subject:
4me2 wrote:
the difference between WW2 and now is that a madman has been replaced with a mad religion with no clear leader trying to take over the world


In fact thats what Christianity was. But no, I'm wrong Christianity was even worst than that. And luckily for us we been able to seperate religion from politic but it took a lot of time. So because these people believe in a "mad religion" like you call it, that we have to call them stupid/ignorant/evil/devil... we did the samething with our religion, just try to be more open minded and you will understand that it's hard to seperate religion from politic and ... when the religion is already very strong/ important and considered like the more important thing in your life. But well, it's true, you don't care since now you have the chance to live in a place where religion is seperat from politic.
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PostPosted: Mon, 7th Jun 2004 16:24    Post subject: Re: If you got Drafted would you....
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You just recieve the letter and your country needs you to fight for a national security issue in some country you can't even find on a map, what do you do.


ask them to go themselves. whatever shit they put us in, it was probably their fault to begin with. im not going to fix their mess and die for them. and if any foreign soldiers of any kind came here, i would do all in my power to give them hell. i hate soldiers. 99% have no idea what they really are fighting for and the other 1% are crazy.
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PostPosted: Mon, 7th Jun 2004 16:31    Post subject:
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he is only one man. he did what most of us wanted, after 911 most of the people I know (age 30-60 years old ) would like to kill them all. Going to war was what most of us wanted. and computer nerds on a forum do not truly represent the American public. sorry, but true.

you can't imagine the rage most of us felt, and still do. when someone wants to kill you, it is only natural to want them dead, before they can hurt your loved ones.


Has it ever occured to you how stupid that sounds? Personally all I can do is laugh at these kind of posts as I just don't understand how someone can pass judgement on 'others' in entirely the same way and see themselves in the better light Question

You waged a war on people who had nothing to do with 9/11, many more innocent people died than in that one single terrorist attack - and as a result of your bully-boy actions the world is even more insecure, not safer! Your loved ones, as you put it (or the excuse for your bloodlust as I see it), are in much more danger than they ever were before.

Maybe, either because of your lack of intelligence or ignorance, you don't realise; but you're attitudes and actions are simply paving the way for more terrible consequences. The people of the world oppose 'America' in even greater numbers now, and I wonder why that is?

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You people are a disgrace , If it wasnt for people who faught in the past youd all be talking German now and not sitting at your keyboards acting like spolit brat screaming jessies.

Give me 3 months with you rabble in a boot camp


'...and if me aunty had bollocks she'd be me uncle'

Maybe if Hitler and his cronies hadn't been so xenophobic in the first place and started the whole thing there wouldn't be any need to fight? Ever thought of that?
And people like us are disgrace? I'd challenge that because it's primitive scum such as yourself on both sides of the equation that are causing the problems, not us.

and by the way WW2 is completely different, not only because of all the gloss and patriotic garbage that has been built up over the years but because it's a convienent comparison you'd like to make - you disrespect all those that fought for their freedom by even making such crass attempts. Shame on you.


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PostPosted: Mon, 7th Jun 2004 16:57    Post subject:
Ispep wrote:
Starter wrote:
he is only one man. he did what most of us wanted, after 911 most of the people I know (age 30-60 years old ) would like to kill them all. Going to war was what most of us wanted. and computer nerds on a forum do not truly represent the American public. sorry, but true.

you can't imagine the rage most of us felt, and still do. when someone wants to kill you, it is only natural to want them dead, before they can hurt your loved ones.


Has it ever occured to you how stupid that sounds? Personally all I can do is laugh at these kind of posts as I just don't understand how someone can pass judgement on 'others' in entirely the same way and see themselves in the better light Question

You waged a war on people who had nothing to do with 9/11, many more innocent people died than in that one single terrorist attack - and as a result of your bully-boy actions the world is even more insecure, not safer! Your loved ones, as you put it (or the excuse for your bloodlust as I see it), are in much more danger than they ever were before.

Maybe, either because of your lack of intelligence or ignorance, you don't realise; but you're attitudes and actions are simply paving the way for more terrible consequences. The people of the world oppose 'America' in even greater numbers now, and I wonder why that is?

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You people are a disgrace , If it wasnt for people who faught in the past youd all be talking German now and not sitting at your keyboards acting like spolit brat screaming jessies.

Give me 3 months with you rabble in a boot camp


'...and if me aunty had bollocks she'd be me uncle'

Maybe if Hitler and his cronies hadn't been so xenophobic in the first place and started the whole thing there wouldn't be any need to fight? Ever thought of that?
And people like us are disgrace? I'd challenge that because it's primitive scum such as yourself on both sides of the equation that are causing the problems, not us.

and by the way WW2 is completely different, not only because of all the gloss and patriotic garbage that has been built up over the years but because it's a convienent comparison you'd like to make - you disrespect all those that fought for their freedom by even making such crass attempts. Shame on you.


I agree completely.

When I was talking about american logic, i was NOT referring to WW2. They start wars because they say it's for the victims own good, look at vietnam, korea and now iraq. They torture and main lots of innocents because it's in the country's best intrests.

Thats fucked up american logic for you.


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PostPosted: Mon, 7th Jun 2004 17:02    Post subject:
arw wrote:
AnimalMother wrote:
arw wrote:
I would fight for my country without blinking an eye.


The army needs cannon fodder like you.


Well the British ppl are very lucky our country doesn't rely on cowardly pukes like you then isn't it....You might want to take a trip to France you'll be more than welcome there. Laughing

HAHAHA...just read the thread about your gay neighbour...i know i said coward but damn...calling you a coward is an insult to cowards..LMFAO. Laughing Laughing Laughing


You really are stupid ar'nt you. I never said I wouldn't fight, I said I wouldn't fight unless given a good reason.

But your idiotic "I would fight for my country without blinking an eye" which i assume is your retarded attempt at patriotism, just shows the army really does need dumb fuck cannon fodder like you who they can throw on the front lines because you don't care who or why you're fighting.


"Techniclly speaking, Beta-Manboi didnt inject Burberry_Massi with Benz, he injected him with liquid that had air bubbles in it, which caused benz." - House M.D

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arw




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PostPosted: Mon, 7th Jun 2004 18:04    Post subject:
AnimalMother wrote:
arw wrote:
AnimalMother wrote:
arw wrote:
I would fight for my country without blinking an eye.


The army needs cannon fodder like you.


Well the British ppl are very lucky our country doesn't rely on cowardly pukes like you then isn't it....You might want to take a trip to France you'll be more than welcome there. Laughing

HAHAHA...just read the thread about your gay neighbour...i know i said coward but damn...calling you a coward is an insult to cowards..LMFAO. Laughing Laughing Laughing


You really are stupid ar'nt you. I never said I wouldn't fight, I said I wouldn't fight unless given a good reason.

But your idiotic "I would fight for my country without blinking an eye" which i assume is your retarded attempt at patriotism, just shows the army really does need dumb fuck cannon fodder like you who they can throw on the front lines because you don't care who or why you're fighting.


Sensitive boy arn't we... Laughing

Fight for your country you couldn't even backup your SHUT THE FUCKUP to a bunch of gay boys.Laughing

Me stupid...maybe sometimes...retarded i'm not...not unless you call being an Instrument Technician at 23 being retarded that is...650 pound a week (After Tax) for sitting at home don't sound like the work of a retard to me.
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PostPosted: Mon, 7th Jun 2004 18:07    Post subject:
he never said you were retarded.


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PostPosted: Mon, 7th Jun 2004 18:36    Post subject:
i'd Fight and say it like they used to say it in games like Mortal Kombat 1 & 2...hehe umm, i wouldn't run at all, i'd show them what budokai can do to one! !
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PostPosted: Mon, 7th Jun 2004 19:14    Post subject:
arw wrote:


Me stupid...maybe sometimes...retarded i'm not...not unless you call being an Instrument Technician at 23 being retarded that is...650 pound a week (After Tax) for sitting at home don't sound like the work of a retard to me.


Haven't you heard, everyone on the internet has well payed jobs.


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PostPosted: Mon, 7th Jun 2004 19:29    Post subject:
AnimalMother wrote:
arw wrote:


Me stupid...maybe sometimes...retarded i'm not...not unless you call being an Instrument Technician at 23 being retarded that is...650 pound a week (After Tax) for sitting at home don't sound like the work of a retard to me.


Haven't you heard, everyone on the internet has well payed jobs.


Hmm...ok if you say so...another laughable response. Razz...you mean your on the dole. Laughing
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PostPosted: Mon, 7th Jun 2004 20:32    Post subject:
arw wrote:
AnimalMother wrote:
arw wrote:


Me stupid...maybe sometimes...retarded i'm not...not unless you call being an Instrument Technician at 23 being retarded that is...650 pound a week (After Tax) for sitting at home don't sound like the work of a retard to me.


Haven't you heard, everyone on the internet has well payed jobs.


Hmm...ok if you say so...another laughable response. Razz...you mean your on the dole. Laughing


Yeah, I am the manager of my own company that manufactures parts for space shuttles, I started it when I was ten. I earn 10,000 a week. So what?

Anyway, i'm sorry i try to avoid conflict if i can. But it's what people with an IQ over 70 tend to do.


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PostPosted: Tue, 8th Jun 2004 07:14    Post subject:
imposing the value that "fighting for your country = right" is just like me saying women belong in the kitchen and blacks in the field (not that i believe that). What one believes is right does not always mean another believes it is right, nor should one try to impose that on someone else.
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PostPosted: Tue, 8th Jun 2004 07:40    Post subject:
ahhh charge kill as many as you can then wait till respawn. if you can

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PostPosted: Tue, 8th Jun 2004 08:37    Post subject:
For my country (nl), no. All they do is bend over whenever the US asks them to, send soldiers to iraq, tells them never to shoot anyone and when a dutch soldier gets threatened and kills someone, he's going to jail. If we somehow would be threatened by another country, then yes, I would fight, but fighting for something another country does, which has absolutely no meaning except for their own gain is something i dont want to risk my life for or kill anyone for.
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PostPosted: Tue, 8th Jun 2004 08:46    Post subject:
I would fight for "MY" country ,IE we are beeing invaded or someone is trying to start another world war.

I would not fight for "ANOTHER" country , ie IRAQ or some of lame country where the citizen's couldnt give a toss and try to riot or suicide bomb your troop's.
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PostPosted: Tue, 8th Jun 2004 11:42    Post subject: Re: If you got Drafted would you....
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You just recieve the letter and your country needs you to fight for a national security issue in some country you can't even find on a map, what do you do.


Will i get payed well? if yes, then aye, why not.
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PostPosted: Tue, 8th Jun 2004 12:09    Post subject:
It's a shame there are people willing to 'blindly' follow their country. This is how the Nazis recruited so many.

I consider myself an intellectual & would therefore be hard pressed to fight on the ground. I'd certainly help out regarding propaganda, spying & the like (providing my country was the good guy of course). When I was a kid I used to think guns & tanks were cool. Now I realize how messed up such contraptions are, although I still love playing CoD Very Happy

The only situation I could see myself directly risking my life for is if we were invaded by a foreign body that are a risk to myself, my family, or my culture. Then, in a similar manner to the French resistance, I would try to thwart the invaders.
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PostPosted: Tue, 8th Jun 2004 16:58    Post subject:
well logic tells me that if u were drafted then it would be in defence of your country.. if u got drafted to go look after some oil wells then.. no..

if u got drafted to go take down a small goverment to save thousands of women being raped and mutilated and genocide ? yeah i would go ..

its like saying.. if your walking down the street and u saw a women getting raped.. but u were with your girlfriend and the the raper had no intent to hurt your women just the one who hes raping.. would u let it happen ? fuck off.. of course u dont do that.. (althou.. in london when i went there on holiday i saw some shit going on and could not belive how everyone just kept to themselfs and ignored some of the things going on)

I dont know.. maybe i live in the only sane country on earth Razz
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PostPosted: Tue, 8th Jun 2004 17:21    Post subject:
so if you saw a woman getting raped whilst walking down the street with your girlfriend one day......... ignored it for the third or fourth time you see it happen - and then suddenly out of the blue decide it's in her best interest for you to help; go over there only to inadvertently find yourself taking the place of the previous assailant?

I don't quite see the logic myself, but fair enough.

By all means help out in those situations the best you can, but as a low level grunt you'll be doing donkey work for guys back home which have just as, if not more severe consequences - and are simultanously unjustified to boot.

helping out is great, but not when it's used as a disguise.


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PostPosted: Tue, 8th Jun 2004 17:37    Post subject:
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so if you saw a woman getting raped whilst walking down the street with your girlfriend one day......... ignored it for the third or fourth time you see it happen - and then suddenly out of the blue decide it's in her best interest for you to help; go over there only to inadvertently find yourself taking the place of the previous assailant?


huh ?

thats my whole point.. i wouldnt ignore it..

we all know this shit goes on in the world... pity my country is so small we cant help out.. but we have in the past when we could (East timor)

I mean our country sent like 20 people to iraq.. and i dont even think they have guns.. they are just building schools etc..

take for example zimbabwe right now.. the countrys than CAN do something about it.. wont ..

America for example.. they invade iraq.. they say its for the WMD.. yet there are none.. then they say yeah they got out saddam yeah and they did the world some good etc.. well maybe they did in the long run.. but they WONT do it for other countries if they have nothing to gain.... and in iraq its work contracts etc is there spoils of war..

If I lived in america would i fight if conscripted ? hell no
In the country i live now would i fight if conscriptd ? hell yes (unless my govt went insane)
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PostPosted: Tue, 8th Jun 2004 17:43    Post subject:
Yeah, if that analogy was applied to the way america operates it would be;

See the women getting raped, decide to help her when it's convinient by beating the crap out of the guy until he's almost dead, then start beating up the women after.


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