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SycoShaman
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| fisk wrote: | I said in the thread I wanted you all to take it elsewhere.
I have nothing against Wicca/Shamanism, but to be frank, what you said about your conviction, even if intended to comfort me, didn't really belong there. It all went off-topic, and suddenly it derailed into a discussion on neo-paganism, racism, etc.
Then I said: "Please, please - take this elsewhere" (to both you and Jenni, and whoever else it was who participated in that discussion). |
that must have been after i was banned cuz I didnt see it for real - my last post was to drak with a link in it, then I was banned, then unbanned, then banned....
Because I would have stopped no problem and like i said edited it out
I do apologize for going off topic man
Next time, if i go off topic in ur thread man, of whatever subject, just pm me and ask me nicely to remain on topic and to edit something if it offended you, seriously...I don't mind respecting ppl like that if I am approached in the right fashion
But thanks for speaking up, because that just demonstrates the rashness of Jenni's actions, i did not see the request you made...and if Jenni did, she still shouldnt have deleted them, moved them yes, cuz I was enjoying that conversation with drak and the fact that u addressed both of us, Jenni and I and Im guessing drak, signifies to me u werent complaining per say, rather asking us nicely to take the discussion elsewhere, which I would have been more than happy to do. Too many things add up to a personal attack by Jenni and Im curious what I've done to her personally to make her dislike me. If she doesn't agree with my views fine, but I still deserve respect...
take that thread about acc going to europe and animal taking a comment the wrong way, we resolved it in a nice fashion, no name calling and shit and childishness...hence the reason i will argue with animal anytime, he's diplomatic and can admit if he makes a mistake, which I really do respect, because so many ppl i know personally, are very stubborn which i dislike and since i use this forum to relax, i try to avoid those individuals I know who are, unless I enjoy arguing with them for another reason IE Weducks.
And still, i think u and I have disagreed on things in the past, and we seem to have resolved the issued in a mature fashion, i do recall saying the same thing to u i said about animal.
And I have nothing to do with Neo-paganism, I do not follow the new paths, please don't think that...Im not some punk kid who just thinks its cool, same as being being a good catholic, I pray and worship on a regular basis and I observe all my religious "holidays"/important calender days and take my spiritual beliefs very seriously, as u probably can tell.... and I don't think there was any racism in the thread, from me atleast, the paki comment was in a thread I created.
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| Posted: Sat, 23rd Jul 2005 01:57 Post subject: |
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http://www.nfohump.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=11825
an example where jenni's personal views HAVE affected a thread. Other mods do it too so don't just think i'm attacking jenni I just cant be arsed hunting through threads for examples.
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SycoShaman
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| Posted: Sat, 23rd Jul 2005 02:03 Post subject: |
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thank you
there are more still but I couldnt be bothered in the first place to hunt through thread after thread, and everyone is well aware of the fact she lets her personal views cloud judgement
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sTo0z
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| Posted: Sat, 23rd Jul 2005 05:02 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Sat, 23rd Jul 2005 08:28 Post subject: |
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 sTo0z you're 1 of the better 1s  I didnt say ALL mods do it i said OTHER  |
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MAD_MAX333
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| Posted: Sat, 23rd Jul 2005 10:03 Post subject: |
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nope i think Jenni is losing this 1 
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MAD_MAX333
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| Posted: Sat, 23rd Jul 2005 12:25 Post subject: |
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well she is being singled out here because thread is directed towards her, which is unfair kind of... i'm pretty sure she doesn't use her mod powers to ban people as she likes, maybe we all disagree on certain terms such as what is a racial word and what isn't ... but i highly doubt she would ban someone JUST for the sake of it...
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| Posted: Sat, 23rd Jul 2005 13:21 Post subject: |
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So Nforce has some not so great mods
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TheSaint
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fisk
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TheSaint
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drakgon
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| Posted: Sat, 23rd Jul 2005 17:23 Post subject: |
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Saner
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| Posted: Sat, 23rd Jul 2005 17:33 Post subject: |
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| MAD_MAX333 wrote: | | well she is being singled out here because thread is directed towards her, which is unfair kind of... i'm pretty sure she doesn't use her mod powers to ban people as she likes, maybe we all disagree on certain terms such as what is a racial word and what isn't ... but i highly doubt she would ban someone JUST for the sake of it... |
But she banned the thread starter, so he has every right to complain, and other people here have felt badly treated by mods on here, so they are gonna mention it here too.
One of the joys of being staff on a big site.
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I saw things like that in here and in other "woman problems" topics so...... Am I the only one that thinks some authorities needs to be alerted about Saner and him possibly being a rapist and/or kidnapper ? |
Saner is not being serious. Unless its the subject of Santa! |
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SycoShaman
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| Posted: Sat, 23rd Jul 2005 22:22 Post subject: |
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| |nSaNe wrote: | | MAD_MAX333 wrote: | | well she is being singled out here because thread is directed towards her, which is unfair kind of... i'm pretty sure she doesn't use her mod powers to ban people as she likes, maybe we all disagree on certain terms such as what is a racial word and what isn't ... but i highly doubt she would ban someone JUST for the sake of it... |
But she banned the thread starter, so he has every right to complain, and other people here have felt badly treated by mods on here, so they are gonna mention it here too.
One of the joys of being staff on a big site. |
Yeah Max, and she did very publicly or however u put it to me...so she singled me out as well...as in a previous post, I give back what i take
And to be honest and sorry if it sounds rude guys, but all i want is Jenni's response regarding her bias toward my spiritual beliefs and what has cause them and a VALID explanation...sorry, if she can't take the heat, stay the fuck outta the kitchen...simple as that |
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| Posted: Sat, 23rd Jul 2005 22:32 Post subject: |
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Can't you just forget what happened? I mean... what really happened? Did your cock shrink four inches because a female mod banned your ass? Come on. She did what she thought was the right thing to do. And I see it'd be a lot easier to say certain things publicly instead of keeping people out of the loop. You may not agree with her judgment and she did not agree with yours. But come on! It couldn't possibly hurt you physically or mentally. Nobody was hurt! You're acting like she stole your first born and threw it in a mud-pie then ate it with an added SycoShamans' shredded penile sprinkles!
You weren’t perm-banned. It was temp. Nothing BIG happened. God. Let it go! Grab a bottle, smoke a j, jerk to some porn and it'll all be forgotten by the fourth whiff, sixth glass and ninth jerk.
We're just two lost souls swimming in a fish bowl, year after year, running over the same old ground. What have we found? The same old fears. Wish you were here. |
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SycoShaman
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| Posted: Sun, 24th Jul 2005 00:09 Post subject: |
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| Injurious wrote: |
Can't you just forget what happened? I mean... what really happened? Did your cock shrink four inches because a female mod banned your ass? Come on. She did what she thought was the right thing to do. And I see it'd be a lot easier to say certain things publicly instead of keeping people out of the loop. You may not agree with her judgment and she did not agree with yours. But come on! It couldn't possibly hurt you physically or mentally. Nobody was hurt! You're acting like she stole your first born and threw it in a mud-pie then ate it with an added SycoShamans' shredded penile sprinkles!
You weren’t perm-banned. It was temp. Nothing BIG happened. God. Let it go! Grab a bottle, smoke a j, jerk to some porn and it'll all be forgotten by the fourth whiff, sixth glass and ninth jerk. |
Like I said man, I am curious as to her motives because it was totally unfounded ya know?
lol i dont really care to say it puts me in a bad mood, but its really offensive still - a simple apology would also suffice, which she has yet to even say, in her reply she still, imo, took the stance I was wrong, which I wasn't for very good reason's which I have stated...simple as that, I deserve an apology atleast...just like anyone would demand on in the same situation. And I don't like someone taking action against me for something racist when in my view and those i know and interact with, it isnt...yet her actions clearly demonstrate a prejudice...if banning is good for one, its good for all ya know?
And I always have a bottle and a spliff on hand my nigga
Jerkin off...meh, did it too much i guess when I was young, doesnt have the same appeal anymore...actually need the pussy now right... |
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SycoShaman
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| Posted: Sun, 24th Jul 2005 00:18 Post subject: |
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| drakgon wrote: | as far as i know in britain nothing would happen to you if you called someone a paki ( unless it was a police officer then ure fucked ) but it is commenly associated with racial slur such as nigger and yid. it is an unfair ban addmitadly but as a londoner the use of the word paki is often associated with people with brown skin colour and would get you kicked out of public places if used ( and maybe beaten up ) also at my school (ex) ppl could get detentions or other punishments for use of such words infront of the harsher teachers. i personaly use the word paki as an abbreviation and pakistani friends of mine do not mind being called paki's and often find it funny ( though indians take the use of the word on themeselves a severe insult).
also the conversation i was having with you on the subject of shamanism although very interesting was definatly started in the wrong place and i appologise to fisk for going so off topic on such a serious thread ( though i did not see you ask to stop it either  ) although justified in deleting it, another option would have been to make a new thread in the general or useless sections and just move the posts but i repeat again this particular move by jenni was wholly justified.
oh and congratz sycoshaman as this has got to be the most civilised anti ban thread i have ever seen on these forums, and am with you on the paki part of you'r argument although i could see why jenni could have mistaken this subject as it is a serious subject in the UK. |
Thats what Im gettin at...move the thread, ask us to stop etc ya know?
But just out right deleting and then all of a sudden i am banned
And really, the racist slangs in london have nothing to do with me, free speech and etc This is not a UK law based forum. Thats why u must be objective...fine, she took it in a racist context, many others however didnt. So because one person who has the power to ban took it offensively even tho it wasn't, others have to suffer...hell, what if I called someone an endearing term but it SOUNDED racist to her, would I get banned? probably and thats my point...Objectivity, no matter what, that cannot be disputed if u run a large forum like nforce and such, u need to have objective moderators.
And on the civilised part, yeah, thats what i want...no name calling, nothing of the sort, just fact and an explanation/apology from Jenni. As her reply clearly shows she knows she's wrong, I dont see why an apology would be so hard to produce. How many times have I apologized for offending someone on here? Whether it be intentional or not? I only expect the same, especially from a Moderator or someone who has a degree of power and abuses it because of a personal bias.
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TheSaint
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SycoShaman
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| Posted: Sun, 24th Jul 2005 00:31 Post subject: |
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| TheSaint wrote: | http://artpad.art.com/gallery/?ik3chx4fa10
LOL! |
lol it is funny
but also sad that u make light of something i think serious...atleast if its just for the sake of the forum and not having bias mods running things ya know? |
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Mutantius
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| Posted: Sun, 24th Jul 2005 00:31 Post subject: |
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| TheSaint wrote: | http://artpad.art.com/gallery/?ik3chx4fa10
LOL! |
haha, total 1337
"Why don't you zip it, Zipfero?" - fraich3
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| Posted: Sun, 24th Jul 2005 00:40 Post subject: |
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nice haha
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Godlikez*
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MAD_MAX333
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| Posted: Sun, 24th Jul 2005 01:36 Post subject: |
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what da... whats wit hthe extreme hate on psychoace
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fisk
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| Posted: Sun, 24th Jul 2005 01:39 Post subject: |
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I think you're oversensitive then Godlikez*.
It's like "swede", or "brit", or whatever.
Racism lies in the opinions and intent of a person, not the words.
If someone's a racist, they can say "Eggplant" in a demeaning way, and it would be racist - but it doesn't mean we need to ban the word "Eggplant".
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Like I said previously: Try to think before you start becoming moral hags, all of you.
Yes, yes I'm back.
Somewhat.
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Godlikez*
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Godlikez*
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| Posted: Sun, 24th Jul 2005 02:07 Post subject: |
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| Godlikez* wrote: | | Actually for me its the interpretation that can convey a persons opinion/intent. Using such words are not neccessary and incite nothing but hatred and hostility. Tell me what exact purpose such words can serve in the long run? |
I agree, but its only because of the stupid british yob culture.. the term paki should not be offensive. It is to brits because of the way it has been used in the past to catergorise an entire race of people.. I think people need to begin to look past these very base thoughts, more so at times like this, we need to realise that no matter what happens we are all still human. Does it matter what you look like? what race, religion or colour you are? Not really in the long run. The more we split based on these values the less chance we have of finding peace. Making a scene over the use of a word, crying over it, will only bring about more hate and lust for vengence.
The song "dont call me white" by NOFX comes to mind..
| Quote: | don't call me white, don't call me white
don't call me white, don't call me white
the connotations wearing my nerves thin
could it be semantics generating the mess we're in?
I understand that language breeds stereotype
but what's the explanation for the malice, for the spite?
don't call me white, don't call me white
don't call me white, don't call me white
I wasn't brought here, I was born
circumcised, categorized, allegiance sworn
does this mean I have to take such shit
for being fair skinned? No!
I ain't a part of no conspiracy, i'm just you're average joe
don't call me white, don't call me white
don't call me white, don't call me white
represents everything I hate
the soap shoved in the mouth to cleanse the mind
the vast majority of sheep
a buttoned collar, starched and bleached
constricting veins, the blood flow to the brain slows
they're so fuckin ordinary white
don't call me white, don't call me white
don't call me white, don't call me white
oh, we're better off this way?
Oh, say what you're gonna say
so go ahead and label me an asshole
'cause I can
accept responsibility for what i've done
but not for who I am
don't call me white, don't call me white
don't call me white, don't call me white |
"could it be semantics generating the mess we're in? I understand that language breeds stereotype but what's the explanation for the malice, for the spite?"
I couldn't agree with this statement more, it seems to me like the only reason we hate others is because of the past we have seen. I could use the word paki and not mean it as an offense, but the world could see things differently to me and thus the hate would spread. My best friend is black and I always call him a nigga, I do it out of care because he knows it as a joke.. Yet I wouldnt expect the rest of the world to understand, thus I wouldnt do it to anyone else... There is a lot to take in when it comes to race and culture, we need to understand why people use words, why people think in different ways and not always judge them based on the values we have been brought up with. Because our values are not always correct.
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SycoShaman
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| Posted: Sun, 24th Jul 2005 02:23 Post subject: |
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| Godlikez* wrote: | As Jenni said earlier here in britain the term "paki" is racist.
I myself am Pakistani and for a non Pakistani to call one of us "Paki" is like walking up to a black person and calling them a nigger.
However I do sympathise with getting banned, she probably would have pmed you about it instead but decided it would be better to make an example out of you which I believe is a good thing.
Be lucky you havent met psychoace the fat bastard. Hes an hypocritical pig and would probably have perm banned you.
EDIT:Good job Jenni nice to see you kicking arses, 'tis probably abou time too.  |
I thought u were asian? And secondly, the term is not what the problem is...its her biased opinions conflicting with moderator duties...honestly, read all the posts and im sure u will see my points are valid and she has yet to respond to what i said yesterday which only adds to my correctness
Again, one word, OBJECTIVITY |
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