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vurt
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 Posted: Fri, 1st Aug 2025 16:36 Post subject: |
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@SumZero Police must adapt to whatever violence they can expect, in US owning a gun and even carrying one around (!) is legal. It doesn't work like that almost anywhere else in the world, this will heavily influence how police work is done in terms of lethal force.
Of course they brought guns, they're police, so if you encounter police, which you know can potetnially use lethal force, it's much better to comply than to e.g knock one of them unconscious. They need to act in a split second, they can't wait around to see what happens next when he's already proven extremely violent, that can mean their death. I don't think you would last long as a cop with your ideas, not in US..
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| Posted: Fri, 1st Aug 2025 16:49 Post subject: |
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By that logic, If I myself open carry a firearm, and someone gets in a fight with me. They could grab mine and shoot me. I only have a split second to decide if they might go for it, or even have one of their own and shoot me seeing I have one. I should shoot him to make sure.
Someone open carrying, if you are wearing blue clothes and have a car that goes "woop woop" or not at that point is moot.Same logic can be argued.
Again like Johnny the cop I know. If he shot everyone that swung at him over his 15 years, I bet he'd be in the high 20's for body count.
Stormwolf - "Who cares about some racial stuff, certainly not the victims."
- Democracy Dies in Dumbness.
- Watching people my age grow from cynical youth who distrusts and dismisses the older generation, into cynical old people who distrusts and dismisses younger generations.
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vurt
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| Posted: Fri, 1st Aug 2025 16:58 Post subject: |
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Sure, but are you getting into fights almost every day, do you have it as a job where your life is constantly at risk? No. Big difference. you likely won't see partners getting killed because of a stupid mistake every now and then.
Again, pretty easy to sit on your ass and watch a video and say "well i wouldnt have done it like that", vs actually being in that particular situation + having a particular training for situations like it or having seen perhaps similar situations getting very dangerous, maybe seeing another cop killed or hurt in one.
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| Posted: Fri, 1st Aug 2025 17:04 Post subject: |
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Pretty easy to sit on your butt and go "They should have done it exactly like that". too.
I'm just going off protocol they are set to in the Code of Conduct for Law Enforcement Officials. (they vary but roughly the same from state to state). And the various discussions with an actual cop I know of police violence (both justified and not) in our state.
As for I don't get in fights everyday, and they do. Yea. I don't have training (as lax as it is) in how to diffuse/deescalate situations like that or how subdue a subject. I don't also have experience of daily/weekly fights to know when deescalation isn't working and alternative means is needed. So I would have MORE reason to shoot him than a cop if I had a gun he might take. I have no idea how to handle, gauge, or assess if he is going to kill me.
What you are describing is prison rules: That dude is violent and itchin to fight. I don't know if he has a shank, I got my shank. If he swings at me he probably is trying to really hurt me. I have seen others die in fights. I need to shank him.
There is no way, in a just world, a man swinging once at a cop is a death sentence by being shot 7 times within seconds of swinging.
And if two cops cannot restrain a non brandishing/reaching for weapon (this is important by protocol) drunk slurring man without needing to kill him. They need more training, not more guns.
Stormwolf - "Who cares about some racial stuff, certainly not the victims."
- Democracy Dies in Dumbness.
- Watching people my age grow from cynical youth who distrusts and dismisses the older generation, into cynical old people who distrusts and dismisses younger generations.
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vurt
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| Posted: Fri, 1st Aug 2025 17:24 Post subject: |
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I do not know what they should have done, i am not a trained cop, the only thing i'm saying is that us as viewers of a chaotic situation vs being there is very different. I agree it looks excessive but again, not a cop, don't have the experience but i can see how it could go really wrong since he proved to be very aggressive and able. He didn't just swing, he knocked him out.
Also, this wasnt 1 guy, it was 1 guy + his sister who made it worse + tons of people around, which is also a danger, they have no idea when or if someone in the crowd will start swinging as well. very chaotic overall.
I do watch a lot of these videos, and there are many times cops are killed because they didn't act quickly enough and with the force necessary.
I do agree more training and less guns overall in US would be a great thing.
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vurt
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| Posted: Fri, 1st Aug 2025 17:32 Post subject: |
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yeah being a cop in the US must be like a freaking horror movie + being stopped by one must also be scary at times.. ugh.
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| Posted: Fri, 1st Aug 2025 17:51 Post subject: |
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Being stopped is a game of roll of the dice. You get a decent dude that only gets as 'serious' as he needs to as it plays out: Starts out low energy, and if needed ramps it up to what level he needs to.
Or you get one that is full on "I AM THE LAW!" the moment he walks up.
Or well, like that one that tackled me. Starts off like he is an elite navy seal sneaking up on the enemy weapon drawn. To yell commands out of nowhere and scare the shit out of them, then tackle a 20 something kid laughing with friends at a well lit park bench..lol
And I don't care what anyone says. There is a HUGE difference skin color makes at least in the south. I grew up in Paxon area (mostly black) so I have/had a good mix of friends.
Nearly anytime we got pulled over, you could instantly tell if you got a decent traffic cop, or a southern redneck cop by the shades of skin in the car. But if we was ALL white in the car? Even the rednek one was (mostly) a 'cool traffic cop'.
I got pulled over twice for the exact same thing in a month (taillight out, and tag light not working). All white guys? A warning and sympathy that a poor young kid dont have the money to fix it so that's why it is. Me and 2 black friends? All out of the car, questioned separately if we was selling/doing drugs, and 3 tickets.
Stormwolf - "Who cares about some racial stuff, certainly not the victims."
- Democracy Dies in Dumbness.
- Watching people my age grow from cynical youth who distrusts and dismisses the older generation, into cynical old people who distrusts and dismisses younger generations.
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vurt
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| Posted: Fri, 1st Aug 2025 18:03 Post subject: |
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i bet.. i do watch a lot of "cops does dumb stuff" and it's kind of amazing almost how many get caught doing stupid shit that they should have learned on day 1, stuff you should know even if you arent even a cop. Like thinking filming in a public place is illegal if you aren't a "legitime journalist".
i am following this dude https://www.youtube.com/@LongIslandAudit
he got spat on for filming, absolutely crazy encounter with a cop.. i hope that piece of shit ends up having to pay out a very large sum of money to the journalist.
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| Posted: Fri, 1st Aug 2025 18:15 Post subject: |
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I think the ones that pops up for me from time to time is called "AuditTheAudit"(?) or something like that. Not subbed to it, but if its there will watch it from time to time so youtube tossed them in.
Same type of one as that, might have to check that one out 
I know every place in the world has its spectrum of good cops to shit cops and all between. But the US does seem to have a lot wider extreme of them. Too many US cops think they are 'the' law, and can do whatever they damn well want (even heard a few say that in those videos). That they have complete domain over you, and you will respect them and do whatever told like they are your parent and you are a 5 year old.
As for knowing the law, a surprising number of them don't know the specifics. And demand anything they say is a lawful order, because they are law officers. Then detain/arrest you using that catch22 of "Why am I being arrested" "For resisting lawful orders" "But they are not lawful" "Well now you are resisting arrest, another charge buddy"
Stormwolf - "Who cares about some racial stuff, certainly not the victims."
- Democracy Dies in Dumbness.
- Watching people my age grow from cynical youth who distrusts and dismisses the older generation, into cynical old people who distrusts and dismisses younger generations.
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| Posted: Fri, 1st Aug 2025 20:21 Post subject: |
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NP, it adds a lot of power to search results.
Stormwolf - "Who cares about some racial stuff, certainly not the victims."
- Democracy Dies in Dumbness.
- Watching people my age grow from cynical youth who distrusts and dismisses the older generation, into cynical old people who distrusts and dismisses younger generations.
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