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couleur
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| Posted: Fri, 24th Jan 2020 06:44 Post subject: |
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Generally true and I‘d consider a 2080 a sidegrade over a 1080Ti but titles that make „real“ use of low level API features (and not only tacked on renderpath) will and do often show a significant advantage for Turing, which is the more modern architecture. Wolfenstein 2 and RDR2 come to mind. Some Users may claim its Nvidia artificially slowing down their own cards. Buts really its not. Whether we‘re going to see more of that in the future is up to developers. UE4 f.e. is still lacking proper low level API support and its widespread. No need to upgrade 1080 Ti yet. Its a beast still.
"Enlightenment is man's emergence from his self-imposed nonage. Nonage is the inability to use one's own understanding without another's guidance. This nonage is self-imposed if its cause lies not in lack of understanding but in indecision and lack of courage to use one's own mind without another's guidance. Dare to know! (Sapere aude.) "Have the courage to use your own understanding," is therefore the motto of the enlightenment."
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| Posted: Thu, 6th Feb 2020 17:18 Post subject: |
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pew pew 
| Lutzifer wrote: | | and yes, mine is only average |
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Morphineus
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| Posted: Thu, 6th Feb 2020 18:13 Post subject: |
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Oh look, that shiny crap I have to disable in these super duper future times.  
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| Posted: Thu, 6th Feb 2020 18:31 Post subject: |
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I have also disabled all RGB after the "photoshoot" is over
| Lutzifer wrote: | | and yes, mine is only average |
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Frant
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| Posted: Thu, 6th Feb 2020 18:34 Post subject: |
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I've even disconnected my Fractal Design power-light since it was so annoyingly blue (not to mention disabling motherboard led shows, AIO cooler LED's etc.).
Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn!
"The sky was the color of a TV tuned to a dead station" - Neuromancer
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| Posted: Thu, 20th Feb 2020 18:56 Post subject: |
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I don't know what's wrong with this 3900X
my idle temps are 42-52 constantly jumping 
idle frequency is constantly jumping between 3400-4300
| Lutzifer wrote: | | and yes, mine is only average |
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| Posted: Fri, 21st Feb 2020 00:53 Post subject: |
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Use Ryzen Balanced power profile and monitor your CPU with AMD Ryzen Master software.
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| Posted: Fri, 21st Feb 2020 08:44 Post subject: |
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there are no more ryzen power plans
apparently they were only at the beginning to fix some issues
now just use regular balanced power plan
additionally ryzen master gives temps much different than other monitor tools
but at the same time the cpu fan uses the other reported temp to calculate fan rpm
so at any time ryzen master says oh you went from 30 to 40, other tools say you went from 40 to 60 and cpu fan is suddenly from 30% to 60%, but then 3 sec later the fan is back at 30% and it's kind of annoying
also reported cpu core voltage is never below 1v
usually around 1.2 - 1.4 at idle
apparently each and every request at the cpu forces the cpu to boost, no matter if they are small and irrelevant - for example requests from rgb software or just temp monitoring tools
my win10 has 100s of processes, and with each one I kill - the cpu voltage drops by ~0.05
only after I killed pretty much all non-essential processes I started seeing idle cpu voltage of 0.6v
the whole thing apparently isn't much of a problem
but comming from intel it's much different
and a bit annoying
| Lutzifer wrote: | | and yes, mine is only average |
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| Posted: Fri, 21st Feb 2020 09:19 Post subject: |
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Do not use other programs for monitoring, they show wrong numbers. Ryzen boost is perfectly fine and safe also very complex system compared to intel, it can use up to 1.5v but its for like fraction of a ms. Only thing what is odd is the fan behaviour, i use fan controller and no more ramping up, i think my taichi monitoring system is bugged or something, but CPU fan can start ramp up even when i set my custom profile where its fixed 50% until 90C, it still ramps up in idle.
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| Posted: Fri, 21st Feb 2020 10:25 Post subject: |
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what do you mean fraction
literally this is 3900x at idle
 
alternating between these 2 every second
at 0.5% cpu load
| Lutzifer wrote: | | and yes, mine is only average |
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| Posted: Fri, 21st Feb 2020 10:54 Post subject: |
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nice read
still he states
"CPU-Z does an excellent job of showing you the current/true idle core voltage without observer effect."
and uses it to exactly monitor cpu voltage
| Lutzifer wrote: | | and yes, mine is only average |
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| Posted: Fri, 21st Feb 2020 10:58 Post subject: |
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after shutting down 2 nvidia container services
this is my idle state
and then if I just MOVE THE MOUSE around the desktop it goes back up to 1.12v
and when I stop moving the mouse - back to 0.3v
| Lutzifer wrote: | | and yes, mine is only average |
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LeoNatan
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| Posted: Fri, 21st Feb 2020 20:03 Post subject: |
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Why are you so concentrated on this? Just create a fan curve to not be so sensitive and just forget about it. And put proper silent fans (e.g. Noctua)
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| Posted: Sat, 22nd Feb 2020 15:48 Post subject: |
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because it's inefficient and annoying?
I just found an additional quirk:
AMD Ryzen Master doesn't run with CPU virtualization enabled in the BIOS
and you cannot host VMs with that virtualization turned off
so if you want VMs - you restart, go in bios and enable virtualization
if you want Ryzen Master - you restart, go in bios and disable virtualization
probably Ryzen Master cannot access processors assigned to VMs due to security reasons..
| Lutzifer wrote: | | and yes, mine is only average |
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couleur
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| Posted: Sat, 22nd Feb 2020 17:32 Post subject: |
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Finish your troubleshooting without virtualization. Reapply paste if you think thats the issue but I honestly think its normal. Boost is pretty sensitive on those CPUs. Don‘t look at the vcore its not your olde intel CPU. They constantly monitor load and change voltages accordingly. Unless you OC (which seems pretty useless on those CPUs) just leave it be and enjoy your CPU.
"Enlightenment is man's emergence from his self-imposed nonage. Nonage is the inability to use one's own understanding without another's guidance. This nonage is self-imposed if its cause lies not in lack of understanding but in indecision and lack of courage to use one's own mind without another's guidance. Dare to know! (Sapere aude.) "Have the courage to use your own understanding," is therefore the motto of the enlightenment."
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| Posted: Sat, 22nd Feb 2020 21:27 Post subject: |
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try some funky stuff like turning off windows updater service and do a bios update and disable aero, at one time my pc was using 50 wats extra just because windows update was in my taskbar reminding me there was updates that i ignored, untill i noticed my idle power usage had gone through the roof and only after i turned off the windows update service my idle power consumption went back down to 30 wats where it previously was stuck at 80 wats
needing 3500 mhz for mouse activity is retarded lol, possibly some areo stuff, turn off all the windows fancy desktop stuff and see if it drops. My gut feeling says its a windows fuckery , ( mine was a intel)
37x multiplier at idle is kinda bonkers, my intel one drops down to 16x
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couleur
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| Posted: Sat, 22nd Feb 2020 21:40 Post subject: |
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Ye olde Intel CPU knowledge.
"Enlightenment is man's emergence from his self-imposed nonage. Nonage is the inability to use one's own understanding without another's guidance. This nonage is self-imposed if its cause lies not in lack of understanding but in indecision and lack of courage to use one's own mind without another's guidance. Dare to know! (Sapere aude.) "Have the courage to use your own understanding," is therefore the motto of the enlightenment."
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| Posted: Sat, 22nd Feb 2020 21:51 Post subject: |
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no, windows screwery knowledge
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| Posted: Sat, 22nd Feb 2020 21:52 Post subject: |
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| Breezer_ wrote: | ...
Inefficient? |
my idle case power draw is 230W 
I suspect it's MS's fault too
I suspect threads are being thrown randomly at cores that the cpu is trying to put into sleep state, so they wake up and boost again
I suspect MS and Intel had an understanding to keep things optimized to 4/8ht cores or something
| Lutzifer wrote: | | and yes, mine is only average |
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| Posted: Sat, 22nd Feb 2020 21:55 Post subject: |
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someone has some bitcoin miner malware running enjoying free power from u rofl
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| Posted: Sat, 22nd Feb 2020 21:59 Post subject: |
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that's one super inefficient miner that uses 0.5% of the cpu
| Lutzifer wrote: | | and yes, mine is only average |
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| Posted: Sat, 22nd Feb 2020 22:05 Post subject: |
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see this shit?
this is me browsing in Firefox and chatting on Skype
this shit requires
1.2-1.3V cpu voltage
3.7-4.5GHz core boost
40-60C degrees of cpu temp (by AMD fake temp, but somehow the CPU fan treats it as real)
230W from the socket
| Lutzifer wrote: | | and yes, mine is only average |
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| Posted: Sat, 22nd Feb 2020 22:06 Post subject: |
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230 is like crazy for idle, thats a gpu running at 100% load, u sure thats not a max value ?
or is this some fancy gen4 drives running in raid thing crazy shit and capture cards wtf ?
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