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some of u have been so brainwashed with shit, u dont remember it used to be an art form this moviemaking thing, shots, frames, scenes, buildup, anticipation , ...
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Frant
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| Posted: Sat, 30th Nov 2019 23:01 Post subject: |
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Art without substance isn't art. I've only watched an hour and I don't feel it. It's boring, loitering and the '69'ish feeling it's trying to establish doesn't really work that well no matter how many cars from the era are used.
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couleur
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| Posted: Sat, 30th Nov 2019 23:47 Post subject: |
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 Spoiler: | Its not the ending that made it into a good film though, but the ending is part of the whole composition. Most of the movie only works because of all the clichés and movie tropes in our heads. It seems boring because we’re used to things going in a certain way but the expectations are never met. You know the guy steps onto the roof of a house, takes of his shirt, a woman watches him, sexual fantasy ensues etc. But here it doesnt happen. Guy rides back to bring the other one to justice. He arrives, the other guy is gone. Nothing happens. Narrator tells us, when two buddies know they’re going to split up, they go have a good drink. You expect, drunken hilarity until late into the night, here nothing happens, they just get back before 12h one guy drinks his margerita, while the other one walks the dog. Not even the LSD cigarette has much of an effect. The movie is full of scenes like that. Not even the Manson murder happens like it should. Because that hilarious scene with di Caprio and his Margerita. Its a parody and imo it works as such. The ending is just what you’d expect a classic over the top Tarantino film to be. The off-voice from the TV even tells you so. |
I was very much entertained and didn’t think it was boring for one second. I suppose not being distracted by writing your opinion midway through the movie and reading stuff online helps. Thats why cinemas are often a good choice.
The Joker movie had some lengths for the exact reasons this one didn’t, you expected most of it. And the movie explained itself a little too much.
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Morphineus
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| vurt wrote: | pretty mandatory knowledge unless you're very young i would say  |
Why is that mandatory knowledge? I mean, to have a bit more out of the movie I'd agree. As to educational purposes: not much really.
As to: very young...  I don't think any on the hump classifies for that. You're not on twatter/reddit/discord.  |
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| Posted: Sun, 1st Dec 2019 00:54 Post subject: |
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| Frant wrote: | | Art without substance isn't art. |
True. Latest example being the "Joker" movie.
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| Posted: Sun, 1st Dec 2019 14:18 Post subject: |
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| 4treyu wrote: | | Frant wrote: | | Art without substance isn't art. |
True. Latest example being the "Joker" movie. |
That was an awesome movie that sticks with people. So check yo'self before you wreck yo'self.
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couleur
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| Posted: Sun, 1st Dec 2019 15:16 Post subject: |
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Yeah, the Joker was awesome, but not a complete masterpiece. It had pacing and plot issues and it explained itself to its viewers like they were 12 y olds. Plus heavily leaned on Taxi Driver and King of Comedy. Nothing innovative except a phenomenal and truly captivating performance by Phoenix.
"Enlightenment is man's emergence from his self-imposed nonage. Nonage is the inability to use one's own understanding without another's guidance. This nonage is self-imposed if its cause lies not in lack of understanding but in indecision and lack of courage to use one's own mind without another's guidance. Dare to know! (Sapere aude.) "Have the courage to use your own understanding," is therefore the motto of the enlightenment."
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| Posted: Sun, 1st Dec 2019 19:23 Post subject: |
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| VGAdeadcafe wrote: | | 4treyu wrote: | | Frant wrote: | | Art without substance isn't art. |
True. Latest example being the "Joker" movie. |
That was an awesome movie that sticks with people. So check yo'self before you wreck yo'self. |
Phoenix's performance sticks with people, the movie itself on the other hand, tsk tsk tsk, average stuff. If you're planning to put the whole weight on the main actor and character while neglecting story, better make it a short (8-12 minute) film or else just don't make it in the first place.
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LeoNatan
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| Posted: Sun, 1st Dec 2019 19:30 Post subject: |
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| PickupArtist wrote: | | some of u have been so brainwashed with shit, u dont remember it used to be an art form this moviemaking thing, shots, frames, scenes, buildup, anticipation , ... |
Buildup to what? Anticipation of what?
All the things you say are true. There Will Be Blood, Zodiac, The Revenant, Birdman, JFK, Lawrence of Arabia, 2001 ASO—those are filmakers' films, and are completely satisfying in the end. Hollywood is a pretentious clown's film, and not much else. Holding a steady shot for a while and installing wide lenses does not make a movie "art". |
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WaldoJ
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| Posted: Sun, 1st Dec 2019 20:06 Post subject: |
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So I gotta watch a long ass Tarantino movie just to enjoy the payoff at the very end? What is this an mcu movie?!
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couleur
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| Posted: Sun, 1st Dec 2019 20:25 Post subject: |
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No. Better not watch the movie at all, if you already know you’ll be wasting your time.
"Enlightenment is man's emergence from his self-imposed nonage. Nonage is the inability to use one's own understanding without another's guidance. This nonage is self-imposed if its cause lies not in lack of understanding but in indecision and lack of courage to use one's own mind without another's guidance. Dare to know! (Sapere aude.) "Have the courage to use your own understanding," is therefore the motto of the enlightenment."
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LeoNatan
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| Posted: Sun, 1st Dec 2019 20:27 Post subject: |
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There is no payoff at the end. I guess that's part of the charm? "Subverting expectations", a modern "film" "maker's" tool of "parody". 
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couleur
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| Posted: Sun, 1st Dec 2019 20:38 Post subject: |
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There is a whole lot more to the movie than just the ending. But whenever was it useful to discuss tastes?
"Enlightenment is man's emergence from his self-imposed nonage. Nonage is the inability to use one's own understanding without another's guidance. This nonage is self-imposed if its cause lies not in lack of understanding but in indecision and lack of courage to use one's own mind without another's guidance. Dare to know! (Sapere aude.) "Have the courage to use your own understanding," is therefore the motto of the enlightenment."
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| Posted: Sun, 1st Dec 2019 20:52 Post subject: |
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This isn't a movie you can really enjoy re-watching imo, but sure, after the movie has ended you might feel kind of tricked that there wasn't more to it perhaps? i didn't mind too much.
It's a rather shallow movie to say the least, however that doesn't mean it didn't have really great acting, colorful characters that you care for, a cool vibe and a good and rather believable recreation of that era..
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| Posted: Sun, 1st Dec 2019 21:15 Post subject: |
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| vurt wrote: | | It's a rather shallow movie to say the least, however that doesn't mean it didn't have really great acting, colorful characters that you care for, a cool vibe and a good and rather believable recreation of that era.. |
What you mean? It had a hairy armpit. Soe 60s hippie.
| couleur wrote: | | There is a whole lot more to the movie than just the ending. But whenever was it useful to discuss tastes? |
In a vacuum, I agree with what you say. Sometimes, a lackluster ending is not as detrimental to the experience, and sometimes purposefully lacking (see Zodiac). But I just didn't like much on display here. The only truly good thing was Brad Pitt's performance. Tarantino's "arful" close ups of Margaret Qualley's behind were also enjoyed on some level. But everything else really falls flat. No satire to speak of. Margot Robbie's character is nonexistent. I guess it was an artful "foreshadowing" which leads to nothing. I really don't want to argue about taste. Just trying to find redeeming qualities which, as sometimes happens when there is a discussion. |
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couleur
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| Posted: Sun, 1st Dec 2019 22:48 Post subject: |
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I find that a bit difficult to explain. I've already said how amusing I found the way the movie deals with movie tropes and hollywood clichés in the spoiler in my earlier post and those are just a few of the many examples.. I just felt delight in some little details in those scenes plus the added fun through Di Caprios dramatic overplayed scenes, just made it for me. This formula is repeated in practically all of small scenes and sub-plots aswell as the main plot, | Spoiler: | since here you constantly expect the real history to play out, you even get the Manson visit. All the pieces are set for it to happen. But it doesnt. Because someone went outside with their Margerita in hand and screams at the pussy hippies. |
At the same time there is alot of hommage to mainstream movie making of the time. From the scenes to the camera, to the music etc. etc.
Can you find delight in this or does it just seem repetitive and annoying or even boring? Thats what I mean with subjective.
By all means, its not a great movie in the sense of "There Will Be Blood, Zodiac, The Revenant, Birdman, JFK, Lawrence of Arabia, 2001 ASO etc.", certainly not, and I don't think thats what it wants to be. edit: vurt is right, the movie is totally shallow, by these standards.
And I'm easily entertained. I mean, I can like a base Marvel Movie just as I like a Tarantino Masturbation.
"Enlightenment is man's emergence from his self-imposed nonage. Nonage is the inability to use one's own understanding without another's guidance. This nonage is self-imposed if its cause lies not in lack of understanding but in indecision and lack of courage to use one's own mind without another's guidance. Dare to know! (Sapere aude.) "Have the courage to use your own understanding," is therefore the motto of the enlightenment."
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LeoNatan
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| Posted: Mon, 2nd Dec 2019 09:29 Post subject: |
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| couleur wrote: | | Can you find delight in this or does it just seem repetitive and annoying or even boring? Thats what I mean with subjective.. |
By all means, I enjoy good making, and sometimes even indulgent film making. When the whole package is good. I guess I just didn't find that here, and didn't find what was there to be all that special. Perhaps I just don't know/care much about 60s film/hippie culture (but I did enjoy All the President's Men).
"Tarantino Masturbation" is a great way to put it! |
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| Posted: Mon, 2nd Dec 2019 18:09 Post subject: |
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I'm torn on it actually... and I'm a huge Tarantino fan. I agree with couleur, yet I actually did find it boring at times. Margo was hardly used... and she was so damn cute in the movie that I would've loved to see more of her. But that's a very small complaint.
I guess the way I see it is that Rick is just a washed up actor, whose best work is now behind him... Just like Tarantino. Yet, even then, Rick can still pull out a magnificent performance at times, making him feel he still has talent (again, Tarantino... think Jango or Bastards).
The whole film seemed like it was Tarantino's disguised biography.
Loved the performances. Loved the snarky tongue in cheek clichés spotlighted. Just didn't love the movie. I've seen it twice - - theater and download. But probably won't feel the need to watch again.
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Even though I had a relatively good Tarantime with it, this is the type of movie that doesn't make me want to say "yep, I'm definitely going to rewatch it in the future in order to analyze X or revisit an additional Y". Simply because it's so straightforward that there's really not much to reexamine in the first place. I found it interesting, technically solid, and even surprising in a couple of instances, but unlike many other Quentino flicks this is for me a one-off thing. 
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| Posted: Mon, 6th Jan 2020 00:49 Post subject: |
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ill watch every minute of it, the recreation of that time was pretty well done and its nice to look at
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Pitt won the Golden Globe for supporting actor. He was phenomenal in OUATIH.
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| Posted: Mon, 6th Jan 2020 16:42 Post subject: |
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I liked Leo's performance much better, but yeah, Pitt did a solid job.
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| Posted: Mon, 6th Jan 2020 17:05 Post subject: |
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Pitt's character certainly was way cooler than Leo's but for me Leo was just more enthralling playing this insecure former tv/movie star in rapid decline.
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