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 Posted: Sat, 2nd Jul 2016 15:57 Post subject: |
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Who cares about prime95? It's same as furmark or IBT, they are useless as far as testing proper cooling as components are never this much stressed. AIDA or Handbrake is more than sufficient.
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| Posted: Sat, 2nd Jul 2016 15:58 Post subject: |
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sure, but anything which isnt primestable cant be trusted and may produce many errors (even complete data loss)
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| Posted: Sat, 2nd Jul 2016 16:07 Post subject: |
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Even then, a) if your data is critical, you need to have proper backups, b) other components may cause errors causing data loss, you should use ECC memory, etc. and c) even if you are prime "stable" now does not mean you'll be stable in a month, you'd need to run these tests periodically.
Btw. I never heard about complete data loss due to CPU instability. Perhaps partition table gets corrupted or something (probably big deal in some RAID configurations or non standard filesystems and encrypted FS, but not on standard common NTFS/ext4 end-user filesystems), but how could faulty CPU cause complete data loss unless the storage device is instructed to wipe every sector?
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| Posted: Sat, 2nd Jul 2016 16:28 Post subject: |
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yeah, I don't even know why people bench prime. i will reach like 100 C within a few min there, but in gaming, my 4.6ghz OC never even goes above 65 C and is stable for 3 years.
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| Posted: Sat, 2nd Jul 2016 16:52 Post subject: |
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| tolanri wrote: | | Who cares about prime95? It's same as furmark or IBT, they are useless as far as testing proper cooling as components are never this much stressed. AIDA or Handbrake is more than sufficient. |
Everyone who is curious about more sensitive thest than Aida64. IBT is very poor for stability testing but it's good if you want to know the ultimate maximum temps your CPU can get on.
| Drowning_witch wrote: | | yeah, I don't even know why people bench prime. i will reach like 100 C within a few min there, but in gaming, my 4.6ghz OC never even goes above 65 C and is stable for 3 years. |
It depends of the test in Prime95. Small test is generating more heat than Blend. The reason for 100C is not the benchmark software but crappy contact between core and IHS. My CPU is delided and thanks to Liquid Ultra TIM I'm getting about 85C on IBT. Without delid the test will crash within seconds. Devil Canyon's are having issue where IHS is way too high above core and that's why the contact is poor. Older Haswell has poor TIM on core under IHS etc...
In your case 4,6GHz doesnt sound much anyway so trying to reach higher clocks might be harder to test for a definite stability.
The best result will be defined by testing your CPU with many applications including Prime95, games, rendering software etc... PRime95 is good for it's sensitivity in a very short time.
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| Posted: Sat, 2nd Jul 2016 16:59 Post subject: |
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| tolanri wrote: | | Who cares about prime95? It's same as furmark or IBT, they are useless as far as testing proper cooling as components are never this much stressed. AIDA or Handbrake is more than sufficient. |
yes using aida64 for years now, never failed me, also has bunch of benchmarks, best app for pc imo
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| Posted: Sat, 2nd Jul 2016 20:18 Post subject: |
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| Breezer_ wrote: | | hellishere wrote: | I talked with this with a few humpers already, and with my local store, they say its fine, but i wanna know what you guys think:
I currently have a Gigabyte B85M-D3H mobo and im putting the 4790k on that for now, im on a budget and i really dont wanna do a full upgrade so i will not be ocing.
My question is, how healthy is it to run the standard/boost clock of the 4.4ghz on this mobo? Risky ? or its fine since im not overclocking?
Option 1 is : keep my current MOBO and go for the 4790k
Option 2 (want to avoid and cant do it right now): get 6700k and something like msi b150?
Thanks again for all the advice  |
It will work just fine, since the mobo supports it, nothing to worry. You need F12 bios tho, check if you have it. |
Thanks , i already have the 4790k ordered, but im still on the fence, getting the 6700k with a b150 msi mobo and 16gb ram would put me in the 550€ range, and upgrading just the cpu for the 4790k will cost me 350€, do you feel like this upgrade is justifiable?
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| Posted: Sat, 2nd Jul 2016 22:05 Post subject: |
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I guess where im trying to get, is if it makes sense to go for the 4790k with my MOBO, its a low lvl entry mobo, im not ocing's but some humper already told me its risky and it may be unstable, im wondering even if the 4790k reaches its boost of 4.4ghz with an hyper evo 212 and my mobo..
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| Posted: Sat, 2nd Jul 2016 22:15 Post subject: |
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Ofcourse it will run with max stock clocks.
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| Posted: Sat, 2nd Jul 2016 22:34 Post subject: |
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| hellishere wrote: | | I guess where im trying to get, is if it makes sense to go for the 4790k with my MOBO, its a low lvl entry mobo, im not ocing's but some humper already told me its risky and it may be unstable, im wondering even if the 4790k reaches its boost of 4.4ghz with an hyper evo 212 and my mobo.. |
if u not gonna OC, might as well get none K version, you will save at least 50 euro
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| Posted: Sun, 3rd Jul 2016 17:33 Post subject: |
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| Mortibus wrote: | | hellishere wrote: | | I guess where im trying to get, is if it makes sense to go for the 4790k with my MOBO, its a low lvl entry mobo, im not ocing's but some humper already told me its risky and it may be unstable, im wondering even if the 4790k reaches its boost of 4.4ghz with an hyper evo 212 and my mobo.. |
if u not gonna OC, might as well get none K version, you will save at least 50 euro |
In my country its just a different of 30 euros, ill just grab the k version, even not ocing its worth, the turbo goes to 4.4ghz..
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| Posted: Mon, 4th Jul 2016 00:18 Post subject: |
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| Grale wrote: |
Nice
That's a nice looking mobo you have there Scara, would you recommend it?
Also what cooler are you using and RAM brand?
You may have me spending more money 
Edit: i really like the fact that it overclocks automatically the CPU and Ram, perfect for me  |
Well, normally I wouldn't recommend MSI boards due to the shit they add, aka 'killer ethernet' etc, but they ditched that crap recently, and I gotta say, so far, great board with tons of just 'set it and leave it' options. Great for the likes of me (old), lol, who can no longer be bothered with tweaking the little details
It's pricey, but as is anything in life, you get what you pay for 
Cooling is water, (both CPU & GPU) and kinda mandatory for a board like this, else your not gonna get the best from it otherwise, so you will really need a good loop.
Trident Z RAM (3200) works best in this board with current BIOS. Corsair, which I prefer, does not, but maybe that will be fixed in later update?
And thank you
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Aida64. 
Put Prime95 Small test for 1-2h and then post a screenshot here including the temps? |
As for Prime95, well, you could test all day and night with that, or anything else for that matter, and any system could still crash/fail under any condition. All one wants is a rough indication as to whether the system is stable under a heavy load, which under normal circumstances, is rarely going to happen in its lifetime, in reality, so whether AIDA or Extreme Pressure Bring Your System To It's Knees Professional Edition is used, it don't really matter at the end of the day.
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| Posted: Mon, 4th Jul 2016 09:30 Post subject: |
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| scaramonga wrote: | | Grale wrote: |
Nice
That's a nice looking mobo you have there Scara, would you recommend it?
Also what cooler are you using and RAM brand?
You may have me spending more money
Edit: i really like the fact that it overclocks automatically the CPU and Ram, perfect for me |
Well, normally I wouldn't recommend MSI boards due to the shit they add, aka 'killer ethernet' etc, but they ditched that crap recently, and I gotta say, so far, great board with tons of just 'set it and leave it' options. Great for the likes of me (old), lol, who can no longer be bothered with tweaking the little details
It's pricey, but as is anything in life, you get what you pay for
Cooling is water, (both CPU & GPU) and kinda mandatory for a board like this, else your not gonna get the best from it otherwise, so you will really need a good loop.
Trident Z RAM (3200) works best in this board with current BIOS. Corsair, which I prefer, does not, but maybe that will be fixed in later update?
And thank you
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Being (old) as well, i like the idea of auto clocking. I don't have the time or patience to learn the OC details.
I'm not going to commit to the level of system you have, and have gone with this setup:
16gb TridentZ 3200 (already ordered)
MSI Z170A GAMING M7
i7 6700k
Noctua NH-D15
Already have a MSI 980Ti gaming
Hopefully this will last me a good few years like the 3570k did
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| Posted: Mon, 4th Jul 2016 14:11 Post subject: |
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Well since buying the 3570k all those years ago and not following the cpu advances, I was disappointed to see my 6700k upgrade is not so much of an upgrade!
If it wasn't for the fact I'm building a new pc for my dad, I wouldn't bother upgrading at this point.
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| Posted: Mon, 4th Jul 2016 16:08 Post subject: |
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well some games already utilize more cores, threads so i wouldn't say so, besides it's always nice to have some breathing room, where i5 works at 100% i7 will use less energy and still have some head room
i'd say 6 cores and 12 threads is an absolute waste of money if you only game
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| Posted: Mon, 4th Jul 2016 19:42 Post subject: |
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Ok so against all odds and due to a deal of a combo of mobo+ram i decided to go with the 6700k
I have ordered the following:
6700k
ASUS z170 pro gaming
16gb DDR4 (comes with the mobo)
Artic cooling f12 pwm 120mm for the back of the case
Il keep my case and my hyper evo 212 but i accept sugestions when it comes to the cooler and the fans (front and back of the case)
I will not be overclocking yet with the hyper evo 212, maybe in the future, but im open to sugestions about coolers (like the noctua d14) as i might change my mind.
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| Posted: Mon, 4th Jul 2016 19:51 Post subject: |
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212 should be enough
my cpu doesn't go over 45C, at least intel fixed their shit this time around
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| Posted: Mon, 4th Jul 2016 19:55 Post subject: |
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| Mortibus wrote: | 212 should be enough
my cpu doesn't go over 45C, at least intel fixed their shit this time around |
Actually they did not fix anything (same shitty paste once again), stock clocks requires so little voltage thats why its running at low temps, you can fix that tho with Prime95.
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| Posted: Mon, 4th Jul 2016 20:02 Post subject: |
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my 3770 was going up to 65 @4ghz while gaming, so yeah 20 degrees is an imptovement
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| Posted: Mon, 4th Jul 2016 20:10 Post subject: |
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| Mortibus wrote: | | my 3770 was going up to 65 @4ghz while gaming, so yeah 20 degrees is an imptovement |
same here with i7 6700k @4ghz with 4.2ghz turboboost. 60°+ while gaming. i can't see any improvements.
in idling i got like 30° but as soon as i open something up i get spikes for 1-2 seconds up to 40°-50°. same with gaming most of the time around 50° but it goes up and down like crazy up to 65°.
coming from a i5 750 this was completly new to me. where i had all the time steady lines.
for example in idle mode all the time 40-45° even when opening something up. same while gaming. constant 63-65° (depends on the game of course)
and yes my cooler is good enough, fits perfectly on it and the paste is correct on it too.
a friend has the same cpu and the same problem. even with a corsair watercooling system
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| Posted: Mon, 4th Jul 2016 20:40 Post subject: |
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Sounds like freiwald that you got shitty TIM application between IHS and core or too much glue between IHS and pcb (which results in bad contact to the core), its very common on new Intel CPU´s (Extreme series doesnt have this problem since they are all soldered).
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| Posted: Mon, 4th Jul 2016 21:06 Post subject: |
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What cooler do you guys have?
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| Posted: Mon, 4th Jul 2016 21:19 Post subject: |
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| hellishere wrote: | | What cooler do you guys have? |
H110 here with 2 Noctua NH-A14 PWM fans. If you want a solid cooler without spending a fortune go for Thermalright Macho. https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Thermalright/Macho_RevB/ I've used it in a couple of systems and it was amazing. I've also had Noctua D14 and to me it wasn't worth the price difference.
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| Posted: Mon, 4th Jul 2016 21:24 Post subject: |
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Im using EK predator 360 with 6x Fractal Venturi on my 980Ti and 5820K (both overclocked to their limits, within safe voltages), gotta love hassle free watercooling, keeps both at 50C "ish" in full gaming load.
If i would get air cooler, Thermalright Macho is fantastic, like escalibur said. Noctua NH-D15 is very good, but is so fucking gigantic in size, can cause problems on some mobos.
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| Posted: Tue, 5th Jul 2016 00:06 Post subject: |
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As i said i got the hyper evo for a year now, might go for that macho if its that much better!
As for the fans, the local store sugested i put a back case artic cooling f12 fan, are these fans any good? should i get one for the front too?
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