Yeah I was watching those monitors as well and I'm curious how they perform. What monitor ( 24 inch and about 500 euro ) would you advice as it seems you know a lot about it w
thx! It depends on what you're gonna use it for, and what your priorities are (pixel density, colours, contrast etc.)
If you're set on highest pixel density at good price, then the Dell is already a good bet.
Samsung has two UE24 with their PLS panel at about the same price, and they also support FreeSync.
For 4k at bigger sizes the BenQ BL3201PT comes recommended. Its pretty fast, low input lag and has a little bit less glow than usual. But its also over budget.
There are a couple of 1440p panels too at smaller sizes (23.6'' AUO and 25.0'' LG). Like Dell U2515H, which is pretty cheap and good. I don't know a lot about those.
At 34'' VA the Samsung S34E790C, or wait for the 100hz version. The HP Envy 34 is like the Samsung yet with a nice almost glossy coating but the input lag is way higher.
34'' IPS the Acer ones with FreeSync and G-Sync. All very expensive.
If no adaptive sync and low input lag is needed then the AOC 3477QPU is the best.
If mainly gaming then basically the best bet are still the 1440p 144hz IPS (AHVA), but with their QC issues and oft reported glow. The G-sync models are also expensive as fuck.
The best gaming TN currently is the Dell S2716DG.
24'' gaming TN - LG 24GM77 or the AOC 24'' adaptive sync
If mainly movies, then get a VA at all costs. There are not many options over 1080p. Philips BDM3270QP at the moment is the best 1440p.
For cheap 40'' 4k Philips or iiyama they have highest contrast of all (over 5000:1) but PWM and some problems with viewing angles and artifacting. Colour space is also reduced and they are not very accurate...
best low budget -
24''
VA: iiyama XB2483HSU/X2483HSU
IPS: HP 25XW/25VX followed by Eizo EV2450, Dell P2414H (max. 80hz), U2414H
27''
VA: iiyama XB2783HSU, HP 27C/S270C, then BenQ EW2750ZL
IPS: HP 27CW
You also have Eizo's FG2421 at 24", 1080p, VA, 120 Hz (+backlight strobing at 240 Hz). It's €399 here in NL.
I'm waiting for TFTCentral and FPHD to get their FS2735 (27", 1440p144 IPS) samples, I want to see a review of that. It's ridiculously expensive, far more than I expected it to be (€1100).
It's ridiculously expensive, far more than I expected it to be (€1100).
Holy shit! I also didnt expect that. They better put an A-TW polarizer in it and have some extremely good strobing system in place It would be unbeatable then!
The FG2421 is still one of a kind, despite Sharp having the panel being discontinued for a year now. Only combination of 4800:1 contrast and strobing at high brightness so far. Image wise the closest thing to CRT you can get atm.
Too bad its such a panel-lottery. Its Ultraviolet VA panel also cannot properly display deep reds. Photos like I posted on the last page would probably not be possible on the FG2421.
Yeah I was watching those monitors as well and I'm curious how they perform. What monitor ( 24 inch and about 500 euro ) would you advice as it seems you know a lot about it w
thx! It depends on what you're gonna use it for, and what your priorities are (pixel density, colours, contrast etc.)
If you're set on highest pixel density at good price, then the Dell is already a good bet.
Samsung has two UE24 with their PLS panel at about the same price, and they also support FreeSync.
For 4k at bigger sizes the BenQ BL3201PT comes recommended. Its pretty fast, low input lag and has a little bit less glow than usual. But its also over budget.
There are a couple of 1440p panels too at smaller sizes (23.6'' AUO and 25.0'' LG). Like Dell U2515H, which is pretty cheap and good. I don't know a lot about those.
At 34'' VA the Samsung S34E790C, or wait for the 100hz version. The HP Envy 34 is like the Samsung yet with a nice almost glossy coating but the input lag is way higher.
34'' IPS the Acer ones with FreeSync and G-Sync. All very expensive.
If no adaptive sync or low input lag is needed then the AOC 3477QPU is the best.
If mainly gaming then basically the best bet are still the 1440p 144hz IPS (AHVA), but with their QC issues and oft reported glow. The G-sync models are also expensive as fuck.
The best gaming TN currently is the Dell S2716DG.
24'' gaming TN - LG 24GM77 or the AOC 24'' adaptive sync
If mainly movies, then get a VA at all costs. There are not many options over 1080p. Philips BDM3270QP at the moment is the best 1440p.
For cheap 40'' 4k Philips or iiyama they have highest contrast of all (over 5000:1) but PWM and some problems with viewing angles and artifacting. Colour space is also reduced and they are not very accurate...
best low budget -
24''
VA: iiyama XB2483HSU/X2483HSU
IPS: HP 25XW/25VX followed by Eizo EV2450, Dell P2414H (max. 80hz), U2414H
27''
VA: iiyama XB2783HSU, HP 27C/S270C, then BenQ EW2750ZL
IPS: HP 27CW
Thank you very much this seems a very good advice! At first I wanted the 25 inch dell u2515h but then i thought I'd better spend 120 euros extra to have a more future proof monitor and go for the one i chose right now. I read also about the disadvantages and lots of software not scaling well and the glow regarding ips monitors and having worse responsiveness than TN panels but hey i can still use the 1920x1080 if i want. Was also thinking about making a dual-setup or something like that if necessary but I'm not sure tho.
Wow this Dell S2716DG you're advising is very beautiful but it's TN but seems to be very nice. I'm checking those monitors know, sry for the late reply
Edit:
Well after testing a couple of hours i've come to the decision that this ( the dell p2415q ) is an amazing monitor. It has hardly any glow and some very nice colors and gaming in 4k is amazing, especially Arkham knight.
Now that the christmass chaos is over, Benq GW2470h is actually in stock.... now I could just get it online I guess, try it and send it back if I don;t like it. Would do that if I had a customer for my dell u2312hm in ready. Anyone ?
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Well.. shiteaters don't have that monitor afterall. They sent me an email today. And I paid for the sucker last monday. Well... have a choice of cash refund or chosing another display with discount. But they don't have any interesting va/amva panels. fuck. just my luck
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who does have a pc that can run 1440p at 120/144hz ?! Those people surely can afford such a monitor tho
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Well.. shiteaters don't have that monitor afterall. They sent me an email today. And I paid for the sucker last monday. Well... have a choice of cash refund or chosing another display with discount. But they don't have any interesting va/amva panels. fuck. just my luck
That's too bad
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who does have a pc that can run 1440p at 120/144hz ?! Those people surely can afford such a monitor tho
It's not only for gaming Tho i agree, would never buy such a monitor 'only' for reading etc. You need gsync as well as freesync have their range limitations.
I don't understand one thing.
Why gsync and freesync monitors are starting to receive 120hz/144hz treatment ?
Isnt point of gsync/freesync to avoid using vsync and to help with perception of low fluctuating framerates ?
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I don't understand one thing.
Why gsync and freesync monitors are starting to receive 120hz/144hz treatment ?
Isnt point of gsync/freesync to avoid using vsync and to help with perception of low fluctuating framerates ?
Any framerates that are below the "static" refresh rate really.
Aside from that, you said it yourself - who can run 1440p at 144 FPS? With adaptive sync you are covered for the whole range (well, technically for the supported range of VRR), so if it comes to it, you can run it at 60 FPS. Or why not at 65, or 72? You can have perfectly VSync-ed image at any framerate you choose.
I took VA panel when i switched from 29" to a 34", IPS has way too many problems even on high end monitors these days so i just said fuck it. Here is picture how my screen looks in pitch black room + black wallpapers, this is what i call flawless panel, insane black levels (no backlight bleed or any sort of glow).
Keep in mind tho that every panel is different, you can have glow even on VA panel, its all about luck, but generally glow is nonexistant on VA (atleast on expensive panels, same cannot be said on IPS, seems that even on 1000€ monitors look like carbage).
Ok I got the Benq Gw2370h and its much better than my ips when it comes to black, uniformity and backlight bleeding. Also no ips glow (yay !)
But its nothing like Your picture.
Amd is set to full rgb 444 and 0-255 in osd of monitor too
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I like the picture quality. Better thanks to contrast being like 4 times higher than my old u2312hm. I just kinda expected that the black screen in night room will not be visible like on that screenshot.
But its a budget ass monitor. They have not skimped on matrix thankfully. But the stand and quality of finish on plastic bezel is bad
The bezel is shiny in some spots and matt in others like those cheap black keyboards thanks to poor plastic mold quality. But thats not a biggie since its only visible under light and my room is always dark...
But the stand is wobbly as shit. Might need to pick up some other vesa mount stand later if this shitstand will pose a problems.
Other than that I believe its best quality of picture for the bang as far as va panels go. And yes, there is some ghosting but only on very paticular combination of gray colors. And I amnhappy to trade ips glow and grey blacks for occasional ghosting. You know me.
So I think I am keeping it. It even have audio out so if i ever get one of those shitty collnew consoles it will be ready to go.
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The black levels will depend on the brightness setting, obviously. You can make a trade off between brighter whites and deeper blacks. Contrast ratio might even be better at lower values. No other setting will matter, since it's the backlight that will determine how much the display will glow with a pure black image.
Play around with it and see if you can find a good compromise.
As for the picture of the Samsung display. According to reviews, the FG2421 supposedly has a lower measured black point at similar luminance levels than the E790C and it doesn't look like that to my eyes in a dark room. As Nui said, a lot of things come into play here.
I am using 40% brightness settings and its good. Should I change caontrast setting? default is 50 out of 100. I never changed contrast on any monitor I ever owned.
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I am using 40% brightness settings and its good. Should I change caontrast setting? default is 50 out of 100. I never changed contrast on any monitor I ever owned.
With contrast settings it varies depending on the monitor. On my Dell U2311H contrast value of 75 is still good (in fact TFT Central have their calibrated settings at that value), on the FG2421 any value over 50 will distort the image (weird color shifts or loss of detail).
See how high you can push contrast before things start to go wrong. Obviously look at the overall image as well and check if you see anything weird. Should be good enough as a rough reference.
Maybe don't use Firefox or Chrome for these - they seem to apply some color management that can mess with the results.
On top of that you can use Calibrilla to fine-tune the luminance and color balance of each level between 1-254
This is very useful at the extreme ranges in case the monitor fails the lagom black level or white saturation test at your preferred setting/gamma
I like the picture quality. Better thanks to contrast being like 4 times higher than my old u2312hm. I just kinda expected that the black screen in night room will not be visible like on that screenshot.
I have a plasma that is set up to ~0.005 cd/m² blacks and "pretty dark" 50 cd/m² white, resulting in a real contrast of 10000:1. Those blacks are still easily visible given the right scenes. With levels < 0.002 cd/m² its getting harder to tell, so I read. But really only OLED will finally solve this point.
@ shocktrooper
thanks for calibrilla, will try if i can use that.
Also, the monitor itself is good and I like it (although there is some ghosting/smearing in some situations like in binding of isaac rebirth - I can see a trial behind isaac, wonder what can be done with that) and the build quality is good but the quality of plastic finish is terrible. It looks like it was molded incorrectly. Only seen under light and only on bottom of bezel. Still annoying tho.
I don't want to return it, because I am too lazy, so maybe something can be done with plastic like that ?
It is not dirty and not oil... The monitor is very well put together but this is just bad quality benq
http://imgur.com/a/xKMLU
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Use airbrush or tape? I don't know. At least the bezel isn't glossy
Have you set AMA to High? Because on Off there is more ghosting, on Premium there is inverse ghosting.
You could try different refresh rates - 50-60-75hz (or higher if possible) and see if this has any effect on trailing. Though Isaac Rebirth is capped at 60fps I believe.
Heating up a VA panel also improves the response times but it's not recommended for obvious reasons.
Thanks. Blur on your isaac is very low compared to mine. But mine is like that only on one level. Maybe we tested on different floor ?
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Maybe you can use this page to quantify your findings in a more controlled environment: http://www.testufo.com/#test=chase
Though you can of course get more sensitive to errors, if you search for them ...
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Wow that looks pretty evil, like the red subpixels switch much slower than the blue and green ones.
Never seen this on my panel. I can see mild dark red fringing in this prad test but it only happens with a specific combination of colours (red + mid greys)
http://www.prad.de/new/monitore/testsoftware/schlieren2.html
I believe we tested the same floor? Its the first tutorial screen, looks the same to me
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It would be unbeatable then!
