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@Nalo
To me it means absolutely nothing to my personal life or how I will live it.
I (my own belief) is that 'life' has one purpose: Be born, make more of yourself out of compulsion to do so, and die. That's it.
Anything else beyond those 3 things is optional choices you make to pass the time between doing those instinctual duties.
If we live in a simulation. My sim has been set to "Has Free Will" mode in the options and the player is AFK.
-We don't control what happens to us in life, but we control how we respond to what happens in life.
-Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times. -G. Michael Hopf
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| Fugen wrote: | USA can fake the landings on the moon - VR theory will be a piece of cake.
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So you do accept it that the theory is fake. Got it!
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We are talking about veterans in their fields - they know what to do, and say, at any given moment.
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Noone is that perfect. So it must be scripted aka fake.
| Fugen wrote: |
Also, Big Smurf has done some big projects for the CIA.
He has 40 years of experience in consciousness exploration.
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That explains it all. The good old CIA.
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| Nui wrote: | | If we live in a simulation there is a chance that we can manipulate it in ways reality would not allow. |
That's a tall assumption. We can barely manipulate/use what we do know of the rules now. Saying we could manipulate the rules of the very system that governs the rules we live by, when we barely can nudge those rules to start with is an exponentially harder task to achieve.
And escape it..to where? We are part of it, there would be no 'us' outside to escape with.
It would be the greatest scientific achievement ever discovered for sure. But would be a looong time of us trying to figure out "OK now we know this, what..exactly do we DO with this information?" We barely know a fraction of a percent of the knowledge about inside of it (the universe), what would we be able to usefully do with info about 'what we are in' in any feasible timeframe we can fathom?
To me its the same as going "I barely know how to start this car or what a car 'is', and I just learned that car I'm in is mid race in a rally". Amazing to find out, fuck all useful to try to 'do' anything with before I even learn to drive it.
For example of all the laws of the universe we know. Will still make the vast majority of our power by 'burning stuff for heat to use 2nd hand' (even nuclear is that. Simply heating water with that heat), one of the worst ways to extract the energy.
To me even the concept of the 'advanced dyson sphere' around the sun would seem laughably archaic to something smarter than us.
"Sir..they are..building an entire physical structure around their sun to gather it's energy"
"a whole stucture...why?"
"Because they can't think of a better way..."
-We don't control what happens to us in life, but we control how we respond to what happens in life.
-Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times. -G. Michael Hopf
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(Edit: changed the order of what I said to follow a flow better):
They don't lack the desire to (unless a quirk of the wiring). They just dont succeed.
The only reason we are compelled to, is because the ones that had that compulsion, made more of us, that in turn tended to lean to also have that trait passed on.
I'd imagine there is 1000's upon 1000's of proto organisms from long ago that didn't accidently stumble upon the random sequence of steps and events to 'just happen' to make a copy. It's the few that did, that made more, that carried that trait [chemical programming] to do so also..and so on.
I don't feel its a coincidence that of all the possible ways life could have formed here (and probably did to start with tons of RNA/proteins clump configurations) we ended up with one 'basic' blueprint of how everyone of the current ones on the earth works as nearly chemically identical (DNA/RNA/etc). It was the one in a million that got a switch randomly turned on to pop another one out, that moved forward mindlessly doing that make more 'thing' as its programing told it to, and that traits stays with everyone of the things down the line. (And we are self aware enough to know we are doing it)..because when it doesn't they..stop being around.
It's self reinforcing. It's not that life (in its most basic form) is naturally wired to want to pro-create. its just a super complex chemical reaction that self sustains for a period of time with energy input at the end of the day. Its that the ones that pro-created made more that naturally wanted 'to do' that same thing.
To me to ask the question "Why would we not want to make more of us" begs the question "Why..do we happen to want to? Why would the universe care if our ordinary 3rd rock from its star of shambling around chemical reactions, did or didn't? There is no 'need' for us to in the big picture. We are just wired to, because those that made us [obviously] was too..backwards to ad infinitum (<-metaphorically)"
-We don't control what happens to us in life, but we control how we respond to what happens in life.
-Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times. -G. Michael Hopf
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I respect that, I don't expect everyone to take such a stark outlook on 'why' we are life and why we keep doing the silly thing of replicating more of us.
To me its not reducing existence to such an unfolding of material operations. To me that's 'what it is'. Reasoning of how I got here is no bother to me on if it was important or not.
Experiencing that existence because I happen to be self aware it happened is where the joy comes from, not the belief of why I am here that is. Being 'here' is enough for me...regardless of how impersonal the universe's way of causing happens it to be.
probably butchering the saying: I didn't exist for billions of years in the universe, and had not suffered the slightest inconvenience from it.
-We don't control what happens to us in life, but we control how we respond to what happens in life.
-Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times. -G. Michael Hopf
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I see that different too. 
Reality exist regardless of if we perceive it correctly or even happen to 'be' to be able to perceive it. it would still 'be' just nothing to experience it in a way to contempt what 'it' is.
There is a endless vast swaths of space that exists that we don't know about that still is 'there'. It has reality, it needs no consciousness to be able to exist. It doesn't pop into existence because we looked for it.
(Suppose that is subjective..we cannot prove it doesn't exist until then, just seems very ego centric to think we need to 'be' for it to also. But we have not one example of where that rule need apply for us to be using it as a gauge of speculation..as of yet).
[Edit: thinking about it, that might be the thing Fugen is doing? Confusing the need for an 'observer' of double slit to mean sentient being, when it just means any matter that needs quantum information of the particle hitting it to collapse the waveform into that data]
We may perceive it as individuals but regardless of how we perceive it. We can only 'know' whatever truth we all agree exist.
Because the most we can do to try to emulate what we 'think' it is, is based off what we collectively agree are identical results we all concur we experience. Anything outside that realm is the 'truly subjective' compared to 'at least its a communally objective result of reinforced same-same reproducible experiences for all...in it's scope'.
For me the astonishing fact I am here despite the odds of what chemicals that makes 'me' all collecting as they did is enough for me to be content in enjoying it did against all odds:
The chemicals that make me existed, combined, fused, reacted got blown out of super nova's as the heavier elements and all smeared across the cosmos for billions of years. They just happen to have them all in one place, in the right order, at the same time to make a chemical reaction complex enough to realize its existence of doing so. The chances of them combining at the time they did that made 'me' is fantastically amazing enough. I don't need more reason to celebrate I am 'here' than that.
The odds of what makes 'me' me doing that (As opposed to 'me' being someone else if a different sperm made it, or my parents had sex one second later, or any number of factors more mundane than those for the billions of years before), is more than winning every lottery in the world every week for as long as they exist.
I don't need 'more' to feel special it happened.
-We don't control what happens to us in life, but we control how we respond to what happens in life.
-Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times. -G. Michael Hopf
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OH I do leave the door open on whether reality actually exists. Totally.
Just nothing interesting has ever walked through that door (as far as we know) to make me reconsider it might not yet. The doors open, just waiting for a visitor with credible news on it not being, to show up.
So far every reproducible finding (which is subjective..true) has said there is no reason yet to doubt it doesn't.
I chalk the difference of opinions on it (be it me, you, religion, new age, philosophy, etc) is simply because we are just slightly brighter monkeys with tools, and 'lack of information spurs the imagination'.
So we all speculate on what it is, coming to different conclusions because none of us as individuals know it 'all' to comes to the right one. its the collected bell curve peak of what each 'ignorant individual' combines into as the 'most true we can know'.
Its us all trying to smash lizard brain cells together as a singular being to come up with our own 'pattern finding' reason it is. We are too stupid to be able to 'understand' all, and link like a hive mind to see we all see the same thing, and it's that same stupidity that leads us also to conjure our own individual personal explanation that differs a little here and there.
(Sort of like) Take 20 eye witnesses to an event, you get 20 different answers. They all didn't see a different thing. They just all formulated different personal recounts of what that thing 'was'. Because human thought processes is messy, inaccurate, influenceable and prone to a plethora of personal/emotional/retrospective flaws when 'processing' information.
But the 20 combined is a more complete picture than any one of the individual subject experience of it.
They are all subjective opinions, on what was a free standing on its own objective event. Them all being subjective does not make the event subjective in and of itself.
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-Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times. -G. Michael Hopf
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I do agree, even science admits that much:
Its our collective tests and repeatedly confirmed accounts of reality is what we go with as 'reality'. Is it THE reality? Who knows. But for all purposes of usefulness, collective is the closest we can get to objective.
Quantum physics and those that study it is a good example of those that need to have a mindset of that, roughly speaking.
As many things in it are: "The math always adds up, and the tests results reproducable..is what we describe it as what it 'is'? We don't actually know, but what we describe and assign it as always works and is the closest to explaining 'real' reality as we can conclude..for now at least until we learn more.
Edit: And I think we are just debating the difference between 'scientific' objectiveness, and 'philosophical' objectiveness (or the never ending search for it).
One is the search for absolute objectiveness, the other is the concept that absolute objectiveness is impossible and is a oxymoron in and of itself. So not disagreeing with you at all. Just saying I lean towards one, you the other 
As of now neither can say its 'more' right...or more 'wrong'. just not enough info either way.
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| DXWarlock wrote: | I do agree, even science admits that much:
Its our collective tests and repeatedly confirmed accounts of reality is what we go with as 'reality'. Is it THE reality? Who knows. But for all purposes of usefulness, collective is the closest we can get to objective.
Quantum physics and those that study it is a good example of those that need to have a mindset of that, roughly speaking.
As many things in it are: "The math always adds up, and the tests results reproducable..is what we describe it as what it 'is'? We don't actually know, but what we describe and assign it as always works and is the closest to explaining 'real' reality as we can conclude..for now at least until we learn more.
Edit: And I think we are just debating the difference between 'scientific' objectiveness, and 'philosophical' objectiveness (or the never ending search for it). |
Even this is not something to be certain of.
We are all living in our own, private universe.
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-do-i-know-im-not-the-only-conscious-being-in-the-universe/
There must have been a door there in the wall, when I came in.
Truly gone fishing.
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See? I got the door open for that too. Just nothing has shown me be and challenge the overwhelmingly agreed upon subjective answer we are not.
(This isn't an argument against you or your view. its just me stating my separate also valid, or just as invalid, one )
I can't go with the concepts of proving a negative, it makes my eye twitch: You cannot prove you aren't the only one.
Why would I need to? Nothing indicate so far I am. When a conundrum comes up that cannot be explained in anyway other than I am the only 'real' one then the question of proving that true will be applicable.
Its philosophical in nature. And while philosophy intrigues me, I cannot get into it heavily. As it always seems (to me) to be unconfirmed answers in search of a question type situation.
Like "God of the gaps" ideal. Its "Thoughts of the Gaps" its jumping in the middle of the gaps of the unknown and asking what's there. I say stay on the edges of the known and work your way there from both sides and we can actually find out. Sitting in the middle going "I cannot reach either side from here, so we may never know" does no one or progress any good. It feels like it never answers any questions, it just keep dropping questions off and wandering off to ponder more unanswerable questions to not answer 
(Not downplaying the impact and role philosophers have had on the world..just not my cup of tea to do myself unless just for the sport of it. I enjoy the "but..what if" of it in conversation just never seriously try to ponder the actual answer.)
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| Nui wrote: | | If we live in a simulation there is a chance that we can manipulate it in ways reality would not allow. So striving for such control could be worthwhile. Similarly it might be possible to get out. If neither of these options exists or feasible, it would change nothing for me either. |
| DXWarlock wrote: | That's a tall assumption. We can barely manipulate/use what we do know of the rules now. Saying we could manipulate the rules of the very system that governs the rules we live by, when we barely can nudge those rules to start with is an exponentially harder task to achieve.
And escape it..to where? We are part of it, there would be no 'us' outside to escape with. |
| Il_Padrino wrote: | | Not really, we're still bound by the rules set in the simulation. What you say is like an NPC in a videogame giving himself cheatcodes/godmode, without any interference from outside. Unless it's part of the programming, it can't happen. |
I meant it much less strongly. What I meant to say is, if we live in a simulation, that would give rise to the conceptual possibility of taking influence on the simulation. It would become arguably rational to explore.
There are conditions to be met for any of it to be useful. Escaping the simulation may have the harshest conditions. Somehow our consciousness would need to be transferable to something outside the simulation for start.
I'm not saying, that any of this is likely at all. I think it would simply become arguably rational to consider. Like a step above astrology
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Here is what I found interesting about this Matrix -
You are here to grow up, become love, and evolve the quality of your consciosness.
Reincarnation exists - endless lifetimes and experiences for everybody.
You are choosing your next life and choices with your spirit guides - big 3D plan.
Yo have a free will to do whatever you want.
There is a karma for everything negative and positive.
Karma can be projected into your next lives - bad health, etc.
We are living in a Digital Information System thats lowering its entropy by evolving.
System is helping you through your dreams, life situations, intuition, etc.
chill out man, life is beautifull...
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