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[sYn]
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fisk
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Any alternative UI should always be optional.
I like the basic design for X-windows, open source and anyone is able to create modifications of the user-interface but with a shared common binary structure. Essentially I would be a permanent Linux-user if Linux had 100% (and I don't mean that WINE-shit) Windows binary support. Which won't happen, which is the reason why I limit myself to choiceless OS's like Windows 7.
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I will have to disagree on OS X merging with iOS. What do you base this on, Launchpad? The operating system remains as desktop oriented as ever. Some apps have a similar visual style as the iOS counterparts, but still are focused on desktop.
It's all about choice, but Microsoft cannot afford this choice. Had they made Metro optional, there would be little to none incentive for developers to invest time and effort in their pathetic store. On the desktop, such a store wouldn't work. On Mac it works because the community is much smaller and software is much more sparse, so it works well to display the software. Considering how OS X store is also very limiting at this point with their sandboxing requirement, Apple is also alienating a lot of developers, and they have very much to lose by that.
So Microsoft sees the tablet dominance and large gains of software control and pricing points of iPad and wants to be at the center of it. But how can they achieve that? They have to force developers to work on a completely unintuitive paradigms for desktop. Microsoft are using their dominance and unlimited funds to swallow the bullet with Windows 8, live through the wrath of everyone that does not want a tablet OS on their desktop, so they can build some foundation for their store. At least this gives me hope that with Windows 9 they will fix the wrongs and finally be able to afford to split the two interfaces.
I will stick with Windows 7 for the time being. When it starts becoming obsolete, and MS has no alternative to offer, I will move full time to Mac. Good job Microsoft pushing me in that direction.
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[sYn]
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| Posted: Thu, 16th Aug 2012 22:03 Post subject: |
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I'm in the same boat as you in that respect fisk. If Linux supported games I wouldn't think twice about completely moving over but given how often I play games there isnt even any point in me dual booting.
The remarks from Valve about Windows 8 have made me somewhat hopeful that we may see a shift in that respect in the future.
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| Posted: Thu, 16th Aug 2012 22:09 Post subject: |
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| [sYn] wrote: | I'm in the same boat as you in that respect fisk. If Linux supported games I wouldn't think twice about completely moving over but given how often I play games there isnt even any point in me dual booting.
The remarks from Valve about Windows 8 have made me somewhat hopeful that we may see a shift in that respect in the future. |
One can always hope, but I don't think developers see profitbility in an open source platform... and then there's the additional headache of modules and kernels on top of the usual "endless" hardware plethora for developers.
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| Posted: Thu, 16th Aug 2012 22:25 Post subject: |
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i don't think the future is any of the above
w7 start menu with it's dual function of ordered and a plain searchable list is a pretty damn good start
build on that rather than reinvent the wheel into a rectangle
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[sYn]
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| Posted: Thu, 16th Aug 2012 22:29 Post subject: |
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| shole wrote: | i don't think the future is any of the above
w7 start menu with it's dual function of ordered and a plain searchable list is a pretty damn good start
build on that rather than reinvent the wheel into a rectangle |
Do you not want to see more from your OS?
I've always dreamed of having instant access to all of my information, at a glance, without interaction of any kind. Personally I want my computer to know I've just got in from work, open my emails on one screen, facebook/twitter/INSERTHIPSOCIALNETWORKHERE on another and any pressing news on the third. After dinner I sit in my chair and it plays me some music and loads up VS turning off all of my messaging applications so I wont be disturbed.
Obviously this is the extreme, but surely OS developers can do better than a blank desktop with a button in the corner for applications.
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fisk
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| Posted: Thu, 16th Aug 2012 22:33 Post subject: |
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Personally I think we're using the hands far too often in interfacing with a computer. I long for the day when you can interface with a port connected to your nervous system, just thinking things and watching them appear on-screen. Now THAT is a user-friendly experience.
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| Posted: Thu, 16th Aug 2012 22:34 Post subject: |
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Hasn't this been the case with widgets in 7 (and to a smaller extent in Vista)? Why did this model fail? If you take a look at the desktop screenshots thread, there are many many many solutions for your requirement that are fulfilled much better than what is on offer here. And if single developers are able to achieve a better solution than Microsoft, something is really sad.
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fisk
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| Posted: Thu, 16th Aug 2012 22:41 Post subject: |
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I'm agreeing with you too much for comfort, Leo.
You should say something I disagree with soon, or I will mistake you for an impostor.
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| Posted: Thu, 16th Aug 2012 22:43 Post subject: |
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Vista was a very good OS. 
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| Posted: Thu, 16th Aug 2012 22:58 Post subject: |
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Not really, it still looks quite elegant. I agree that things like the sidebar, the greenish tint, the old sidebar are shortcomings. But compared to the old XP, with the awful blue and green theme... Eh.
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fisk
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| Posted: Thu, 16th Aug 2012 23:04 Post subject: |
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| LeoNatan wrote: | | Not really, it still looks quite elegant. I agree that things like the sidebar, the greenish tint, the old sidebar are shortcomings. But compared to the old XP, with the awful blue and green theme... Eh. |
I never bothered with using any standard theme for any OS. Hell. Call it creativity if you will.
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Werelds
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| Posted: Thu, 16th Aug 2012 23:41 Post subject: Re: WTF was M$ thinking? |
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Unity in Ubuntu gets it right for me for the most part. The sidebar is shit, so I've got that hidden, but the dash works remarkably well. I do use Docky as well as that's still most convenient for window management.
The start menu I've never liked. Nor do I like icons on a desktop. I've always used Quick Launch a lot, application shortcuts in Gnome 2. Windows 7's taskbar gets that perfect - clear distinction between active and inactive applications, quick window management and no flashy fucking reflections and fuck knows what else 
Incidentally, that's pretty much how my Docky is set up as well 
Moreover, since Precise Pangolin, Unity also has a "dash" for application menus. Not everything uses it yet, but rather than seeing File/Edit/View/Tools/Help/Derp at the top, I can hit alt and get the option I need straight away - without having to know the shortcut (which is handy for new applications). I really hope it spreads much more in the coming months, because it's fucking amazing to work with. I know I've said it before, but to get a taste of it, install Sublime Text and hit CTRL+SHIFT+P (or CMD+SHIFT+P), that's how Unity's app menu dash works.
I've also noticed I'm not the only one who likes to keep a clean desktop or hit a key and type to find whatever you need (document, website, application). I hope that's where things will go: less clutter from taskbars/docks, more keyboard usage. So what I really want is Unity's Dash and application menu, with Windows 7's clean and fast presentation but with OS X's nifty animations and consistency (well, for the most part it's consistent anyway).
What I THINK will happen is something else though. I think we're headed into more touchscreen bullshit.
Oh, and Vista was much better than it got credit for, XP gets too much credit
Vanilla Vista > Vanilla XP. Vista SP 1 is still better than XP SP1. XP needed SP2, badly.
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would be somehow cool if ms would mess up hard somehow and linux would take its place (even though i have minor experience with it yet) it would be for the better imo ;< but guess that wont happen :l
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Windows Blue is released next summer/fall (Windows 8.5). We'll see if it goes even further or if MS completely fail and is forced to redesign/remove Metro.
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Saner
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| Posted: Fri, 17th Aug 2012 15:42 Post subject: |
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I grew to like Gnome3
I didnt like it at first, but after using it for a while when Unity first arrived (because thats just fucking nasty) I now find myself lost when I dont have it.
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Saner is not being serious. Unless its the subject of Santa!
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Have you seen what they're doing to Nautilus though Saner? They're fucking it up completely. A fork for Ubuntu is being considered right now, the new Nautilus is *that* bad.
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sausje
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| Posted: Fri, 17th Aug 2012 16:36 Post subject: |
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Future OSUI?!
We DON'T need anything "new", Win7 was perfect for usage, just get rid of small bugs and keep updating it with USEFULL things.
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| Posted: Fri, 17th Aug 2012 17:27 Post subject: |
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I bet you thought XP was also perfect. And 98 before that. 
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Back then, yes. Problem sir?
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| Posted: Fri, 17th Aug 2012 17:42 Post subject: |
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I think this is the problem right here with criticizing a new operating system. You get put in the same category as conservative people who fear change. I do not fear change. I want change, but change for the better, and Windows 8 ain't it.
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I don't fear change, i was one of the first to get Vista back then (and unlike most, i never had any big problems with it that i wouldn't be getting on another OS).
But so far it doesn't seem ready for release, not polished at all.
The performance on my laptop is horrible compared to win7, the hdd is constant busy with shit and it slows the whole pc down.
I gave it a try and it's nothing for me, can't say i didn't try
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| Posted: Fri, 17th Aug 2012 17:57 Post subject: |
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The future UI will probably look bad too but I hope that after all the criticisms they will decide to release at least two separate versions, one colorful and user-friendly for tablets/phones/whatever and one -proper- for home PCs.
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