Choice of Forum Software!
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MrWante




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PostPosted: Thu, 3rd Jun 2004 01:26    Post subject: Choice of Forum Software!
I think the move to phpBB was a bad one! If you had to downgrade from Vbulletin, Invision Power Board would have been a much better (and more effective) choice!

Just my opinion! Smile

And I am also guessing the skin isn't ready, so I will not complain about it!
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sTo0z
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PostPosted: Thu, 3rd Jun 2004 01:31    Post subject:
Well you have to say WHY Invision would have been better. Doesn't Invision cost a lot of money?


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MrWante




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PostPosted: Thu, 3rd Jun 2004 02:16    Post subject:
No, it's available at no cost as a free UNLIMITED trial with no locked features or anything. The only thing is that you have a (U) in the footer, standing for unregistered. Take a look here: http://forums.invisionpower.com/

And why it's better? Well, it's faster and has more features than phpBB. Though, mostly I guess it's a matter of taste.
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4me2




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PostPosted: Thu, 3rd Jun 2004 08:47    Post subject:
Mad what a lousey 3rd rate set up !

It doesnt do Nforce any justice at all .

Only Vb bulletin would suffice .

Very very very disappointed at this junk set up to say the least. Mad

Its just sucks and looks shiiiiiiiiiite.
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sTo0z
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PostPosted: Thu, 3rd Jun 2004 09:07    Post subject:
Holy shit 4me2 way to spam your crybaby attitude all over the boards.

If there's anything wrong with them its your presence.


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KleptoZ




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PostPosted: Thu, 3rd Jun 2004 09:11    Post subject:
4me2 wrote:
Mad what a lousey 3rd rate set up !

It doesnt do Nforce any justice at all .

Only Vb bulletin would suffice .

Very very very disappointed at this junk set up to say the least. Mad

Its just sucks and looks shiiiiiiiiiite.


Why don't you leave then, if it's so terrible. Didn't your mom ever teach you that if you don't have anything nice to say don't say anything at all? Your whining doesn't help you know.
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mYslead




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PostPosted: Thu, 3rd Jun 2004 09:13    Post subject:
VB Bulletin is limited ... due to the cgi.

php is more powerful and easier to script.
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razor1394
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PostPosted: Thu, 3rd Jun 2004 09:35    Post subject:
mmm... Look what they did to this site with vBulletin. They integrated the whole site with the forum. It's so damn nice. That's what I mean. I'm referring to DC.se and also a bit on Halflife.net. Links for dc.se http://www.directonnect.se and hl2.net http://www.halflife2.net. It's so damn dynamic and smooth.
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Spike_UK
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PostPosted: Thu, 3rd Jun 2004 10:22    Post subject:
Without going into details...someone spoilt it for all of us. We had to remove VBB as we had no choice.

phpBB is far easy to integrate to the site and it's alot easier to Skin.

The choice for phpBB was due to it being FREE and Open Source. As it's open source there are a lot of add-ons and modifications for it.

VBB is great, but they charge for each new version. If you have a Licence for version 1, you can't use versions 2 or 3. You have to purchase a new licence for each version. That's something we can't afford to do when there are free alternatives.

Give me something that is in VBB but not present here and we'll try to fix it, but you can't say that our old half skinned VBB looks better than this fully skinned phpBB??

This skin should be complete. The only thing missing at present are icons (which are almost ready). If there are any errors or unskinned pages then let us know.
Criticism is fine, but please make it constructive. Tells us what you don't like about something, that way we can fix it.
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Saner




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PostPosted: Thu, 3rd Jun 2004 11:49    Post subject:
I cant stand PHPbb, but it is superb for skinning and hacking, far easier than vbulletin IMO,

but fo rthe end user it makes little diffrence really, I feel sorry for the admins.. the PHPbb admincp is a little crappy imo Very Happy
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razor1394
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PostPosted: Thu, 3rd Jun 2004 11:54    Post subject:
I forgot that you need to renew the license for each version and I remember that it is not really cheap. The design is awesome if you'll get the buttons done and you're working on it as I hear. Some mods that could be done: rating of threads, limit of editing threads to some minutes (so people won't edit bad posts, integration with the frontpage for comments on releases, shoutbox like on www.directconnect.se, weekly polls on the first page maybe. I'll bring up some more when I do some more research.

edit: Using vBulletin 3.0 myself and I know the difference with the admincp. It's very poor in PHPBB2 yes.
Could you add highlighting feature to threads and forums like they have on the "Athena" theme? When you click in the highlighted area you will be redirected to corresponding thread/forum.


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4me2




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PostPosted: Thu, 3rd Jun 2004 12:07    Post subject:
Spike_UK wrote:
Without going into details...someone spoilt it for all of us. We had to remove VBB as we had no choice.

phpBB is far easy to integrate to the site and it's alot easier to Skin.

The choice for phpBB was due to it being FREE and Open Source. As it's open source there are a lot of add-ons and modifications for it.

VBB is great, but they charge for each new version. If you have a Licence for version 1, you can't use versions 2 or 3. You have to purchase a new licence for each version. That's something we can't afford to do when there are free alternatives.

Give me something that is in VBB but not present here and we'll try to fix it, but you can't say that our old half skinned VBB looks better than this fully skinned phpBB??

This skin should be complete. The only thing missing at present are icons (which are almost ready). If there are any errors or unskinned pages then let us know.
Criticism is fine, but please make it constructive. Tells us what you don't like about something, that way we can fix it.



so basically reading between the lines someone has grassed the site to vb for its content.

VB though would have been the better option and only costs 160 dollars a licence .

With vb3 upgrade the old database could have been imported within minutes .

arent there any other boards that can import vb data bases ?

My critic was constructive and Im still very disappointed . This new set up is terrible m8.
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razor1394
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PostPosted: Thu, 3rd Jun 2004 12:11    Post subject:
I don't think they are gonna change when they've done such a nice skin. But something they could do is try to import the posts from the other forum. I know there are tools for practically any board conversion to import threads ans forums.
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4me2




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PostPosted: Thu, 3rd Jun 2004 12:25    Post subject:
razor1394 wrote:
I don't think they are gonna change when they've done such a nice skin. But something they could do is try to import the posts from the other forum. I know there are tools for practically any board conversion to import threads ans forums.


well Ill make a suggestion and put my money where my mouth is ,

Ill dontate 20 dollars towards the 160 for a vb licence .

If seven others are prepared to do the same then problem solved .
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Spike_UK
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PostPosted: Thu, 3rd Jun 2004 12:35    Post subject:
There is a vbb to phpbb convertor, but would porting the old posts over really satisfy the phpBB haters??

As we are now using the NFOrce.nl site account as board accounts porting the old posts poses a problem. There is no way to match the vBB board accounts to our site accounts so all posts would show as Guest or Anonymous. Surely that's worse than a blank board??

Secondly, post counts have been reset for the same reason.

4me2 wrote:

With vb3 upgrade the old database could have been imported within minutes .

arent there any other boards that can import vb data bases ?

My critic was constructive and Im still very disappointed . This new set up is terrible m8.


What is so terrible about the new setup?? It does everything vbb does except it hasn't cost us $160, money that we can put towards hardware to keep the site running as well as it does.

This setup has a complete skin, not a half finished one. This has tighter site integration meaning you have one account, not two and new features can be added to the main site.


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4me2




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PostPosted: Thu, 3rd Jun 2004 12:44    Post subject:
Spike_UK wrote:
There is a vbb to phpbb convertor, but would porting the old posts over really satisfy the phpBB haters??


not really m8.

but how about starting up a donations thread to see if we can get enough to buy a vb licence . Im fully prepared to do my bit.

On a side note how do I change my email addy here this one isnt working .

looked in the CP but couldnt find any option.
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Spike_UK
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PostPosted: Thu, 3rd Jun 2004 12:50    Post subject:
The board is using your NFOrce.nl account. You should be able to change your email by the Control Panel on the Main Site.

This will be fixed soon.


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4me2




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PostPosted: Thu, 3rd Jun 2004 12:53    Post subject:
Spike_UK wrote:
The board is using your NFOrce.nl account. You should be able to change your email by the Control Panel on the Main Site.

This will be fixed soon.


so what do you think about starting up donations to get a vb licence m8 ?

should be a walk if a few people are prepared to donate .

like i said ill do me bit with 20 dollars.
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Spike_UK
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PostPosted: Thu, 3rd Jun 2004 12:59    Post subject:
I'll put the towards the other admins, but I can't promise anything.

I personally like phpBB, only took two days to put this skin together. Takes me alot longer to do vBB.


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toeffy
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PostPosted: Thu, 3rd Jun 2004 13:05    Post subject:
www.phpbbhacks.com


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4me2




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PostPosted: Thu, 3rd Jun 2004 13:06    Post subject:
Spike_UK wrote:
I'll put the towards the other admins, but I can't promise anything.

I personally like phpBB, only took two days to put this skin together. Takes me alot longer to do vBB.


my email notification isnt working , is it just me or isnt it set up yet ?
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[sYn]
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PostPosted: Thu, 3rd Jun 2004 13:07    Post subject:
I can understand people not being happy with PHPbb but the fact still remains that the admins couldnt afford VBB so it went. They have spent the time putting together this version of the forum and to go change it again would be foolish, it would also mean more forum downtime. Everyone has said the points I would make for keeping phpBB, things such as: Its open source, free, easier to skin, easier to admin and ITS DONE.

Although I doubt your going to drop this anytime soon, Im sure if you just stopped moaning about it and got on with reading the threads and contributing something slightly worthwhile to the place that doesnt consist of "this sucks", your life here would become much happier Smile.

Just my opinion of course.
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4me2




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PostPosted: Thu, 3rd Jun 2004 13:11    Post subject:
[sYn] wrote:
I can understand people not being happy with PHPbb but the fact still remains that the admins couldnt afford VBB so it went. They have spent the time putting together this version of the forum and to go change it again would be foolish, it would also mean more forum downtime. Everyone has said the points I would make for keeping phpBB, things such as: Its open source, free, easier to skin, easier to admin and ITS DONE.

Although I doubt your going to drop this anytime soon, Im sure if you just stopped moaning about it and got on with reading the threads and contributing something slightly worthwhile to the place that doesnt consist of "this sucks", your life here would become much happier Smile.

Just my opinion of course.


What threads ?

Ive posted a solution ! Are you prepared to donate or just make wise cracks at me ?
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KleptoZ




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PostPosted: Thu, 3rd Jun 2004 13:28    Post subject:
The point is, there is absolutley nothing wrong with the current boards. I don't think the admins would want to change back just for 3-4 users who can't be bothered to adjust to change. I sure wouldn't.
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sTo0z
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PostPosted: Thu, 3rd Jun 2004 13:45    Post subject:
I agree, there is nothing wrong with these boards (despite a few hiccups that are being ironed out). I personally like this setup much better.

And this saves a ton of money, even through donations, you can't argue with free. I think this setup gets the job done just fine. I like this new setup and I vote to keep it as is.


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4me2




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PostPosted: Thu, 3rd Jun 2004 23:00    Post subject:
sTo0z wrote:
I agree, there is nothing wrong with these boards (despite a few hiccups that are being ironed out). I personally like this setup much better.

And this saves a ton of money, even through donations, you can't argue with free. I think this setup gets the job done just fine. I like this new setup and I vote to keep it as is.


Air is also free but beer tastes better. Laughing
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sTo0z
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PostPosted: Thu, 3rd Jun 2004 23:28    Post subject:
Heh, that is a whole other ball game my friend. Wink


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Starter
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PostPosted: Thu, 3rd Jun 2004 23:39    Post subject:
I get hung-over with beer, lets hear it for whiskey sours.


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The only one.
Never once anything positive, only negative.
And you people fall for it hook line and sinker.

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RoadRunner12




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PostPosted: Fri, 4th Jun 2004 01:10    Post subject:
Let's face it, who will notice after a couple of months? It'll be just like the old board again so let's get on with contributing eh?


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GamerZ




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PostPosted: Sun, 6th Jun 2004 10:20    Post subject:
mYslead wrote:
VB Bulletin is limited ... due to the cgi.

php is more powerful and easier to script.
vbulletin is in php FYI
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