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 Posted: Wed, 15th Mar 2023 18:27 Post subject: Upgrade PC to 1440p or not? |
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Actual PC:
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-RYZEN 3800x (NO OC, don't ask to do so) + Noctua NH-U12S Chromax Black
-Crucial 32GB DDR4 2666mhz (NO OC either)
-Nvidia GIGABYTE RTX 2070 Super
-CORSAIR AX860 PSU
-Thermaltake Core V71 tower
I was planning to upgrade my 10? years old BenQ XL2420T TN monitor to the upcoming ASUS ROG PG27AQDM (27", OLED; 240hz) but was wondering if i should upgrade some parts of my tower to make everything run correctly or if with my actual setup i'll survive for a long time with a few settings turned down a bit in games?
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jackbomb
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| Posted: Wed, 15th Mar 2023 18:32 Post subject: |
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2060 Super here, and it barely struggles with recent games at 1080p high-ultra, but it struggles. Maybe 2070 Super is enough for 1440p? I would go for a 30xx series to be sure.
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| Posted: Wed, 15th Mar 2023 18:41 Post subject: |
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If you can live with lower settings and maybe max 60 frames, you should be fine. Check benchmarks for the games you play.
Otherwise upgrade your gpu, your cpu would be next then, since it will limit your new gpu for sure. No need to buy everything at once tho.
Your ram is way too slow, but i doubt it's worth it to upgrade it if you buy a new motherboard + cpu in the next 1-2-3 years anyway. Waste of money then.
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DXWarlock
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| Posted: Wed, 15th Mar 2023 18:42 Post subject: |
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Depends on 'what' 1440. A 16:9 one, ultra wide, or super ultrawide.
I got a 4080 but also have a 3440x1440 165hz ultrawide monitor. Some games I play no way I can get 165hz at full res even with a 4080 Aero, overclocked more than stock overclock.
Gysnc/freesync works fine 95% of the time, some games brightness flicker. But then what's the point of 165 if I just run at 90-110 anyway 
For now I have resolved to set monitor to 120hz (It can do 100,120,144,165 refresh rate) and use that as set refresh rate until hardware comes out that can keep 165.
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| Posted: Wed, 15th Mar 2023 19:32 Post subject: |
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@DXW: Typical 16:9 (Space fitting reasons). Also not only games but also for movies, photoshop, art, etc.. General high-end.
@Freiwald: RAM's a Crucial 2x16GB 3200mhz BALLISTIX black, but running at 2666mhz due to DOCP turned off in the BIOS (It's the XMP equivalent from my previous Z170, the reason the board burned up my RAM slots, hence the "do not ask for OC" part)
Been using the bottleneck calculator here and it smokes weed every here n there https://pc-builds.com/bottleneck-calculator/
Setting to GPU Intensive Use
My CPU with 2070 Super at 1080p = 0%
My CPU with 3080 at 108i0p = 25% CPU bottleneck (Seriously?..At 1080p?)
My CPU with 3080 at 1440p = 10% CPU
My CPU with 4080 at 1440p = 44.8% CPU
X570 compatible 5800x with 4080 at 1440p = 37% CPU
7700 etc 21.4% CPU !
7900x with idems = 0% (Wow, sure, 12 cores...Light up the oven, right?)
Yeah right, no way with the last one because boot times are way longer than normal (+1min even with the "RAM training" BS done for a time ), besides of being costy AF . It'd also feel to buy a whole new tower and all (I'd rather grab a bigger case to fit a newer GPU like the Thermaltake View 51 or CT700 (depending of MB positioning in the end) and GPU (4080)
But i've seen loads of people having issues with X670 boards, and it's not the RAM...
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| Posted: Wed, 15th Mar 2023 23:31 Post subject: |
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1440p ?! yuck. That's barely better than 1080p.
4k or death.
3080, ps5, lg oled
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| Posted: Wed, 15th Mar 2023 23:53 Post subject: |
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| KillerCrocker wrote: | 1440p ?! yuck. That's barely better than 1080p.
4k or death. |
Name one 4K OLED 27" +144hz monitor then...
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| Posted: Thu, 16th Mar 2023 00:07 Post subject: |
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1440p is still best, unless you have 4080/4090, IMmmoOoOOO
With a 3800x + 2070 Super, you won't have many issues on 1440p. If my shitty laptop can manage many new games at 70 - 90FPS @ 1440p, so can a desktop with equivalent or better parts. It might be a mix of med/high details but it'll still be very capable
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DXWarlock
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| Posted: Thu, 16th Mar 2023 00:36 Post subject: |
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@KillerCrocker
I cant talk myself into a 4k. As I can't give up ultrawide after having it 16:9 feels like a skinny box to me. And I am not paying $1000+ for a monitor.
| DV2 wrote: | | Name one 4K OLED 27" +144hz monitor then... |
For example this one. They can suck rocks before I pay $1500 for that.
https://www.amazon.com/SAMSUNG-Odyssey-Monitor-FreeSync-LS49AG952NNXZA/dp/B096YNP6ZR/
That and frankly, it might be my age, my eyes, or just everyone else sits 5cm from their screen. I cannot tell a difference in quality from 1440 to 4k. 1440p with AA on looks exactly the same as 4k to me. I've stared at them side by side in stores, at my friends PC shop both running 3DMark on loop next to each other.
Unless I get really close and stare at the edges of bright objects. Same same to me.
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-Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times. -G. Michael Hopf
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| Posted: Thu, 16th Mar 2023 01:13 Post subject: |
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4K? - its not worth it, at all.
You will be spending mega-dollars on GPU's to keep up with un-optimized console ports and still have shit performance. I'm running 1600p ultrawide and still spend too much money on PC parts which is a luxury, 1440p is the correct choice for price/performance.
Also new games are shit. Your lucky to have 1x quality AAA game release in a year to take advantage of it. If you mostly use a computer for games, I really think buying a console is the smartest choice.
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| Posted: Thu, 16th Mar 2023 01:18 Post subject: |
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@Interinactive
I got the 4080 for VR racing and VR MS flightsim mostly.
Why spend $1500 on a monitor I personally cannot see the difference in from 2/3 a meter away. When a $400 ultrawide 1440 looks the same to me. BUT VR framerates I can see a big difference in.
It's not where we draw the line, its which priorities the money goes to. Vive Pro 2 for more VR res that is super noticeable, and GPU to drive it, trumps way less noticeable gaming res bump on a monitor
-We don't control what happens to us in life, but we control how we respond to what happens in life.
-Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times. -G. Michael Hopf
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| Posted: Thu, 16th Mar 2023 01:23 Post subject: |
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It's not about any of that
It's you implying $1500 is a lot for a monitor with all of those features when you own a GPU that has been universally panned for being overpriced
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| Posted: Thu, 16th Mar 2023 01:28 Post subject: |
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I think your missing my point. None of those features interest me so not worth the price. None of the features it has my current monitor dont have other than the 4k part.
4080 features and performance interest me, so worth the price
Like telling someone that spent $800 on bigger tires, you cant understand how they think the $800 turbo kit isn't worth it to them. When they use the truck for offroad, not racing.
And I got it below MSRP I got it for $900 from my friend with the shop. Someone bought it, realized they didnt make a waterblock for the gigabyte AERO 4080 (at the time) and traded it back in on a reference 4080, and he sold it to me for his cost since he couldnt sell it as new.
Technically I didn't pay for it at all. I traded him my 7900xtx I paid $999 for, for it (7900xtx was not as good in VR as I expected).
Since he wants to do 3 screens different size [two ultrawide and one super ultra wide for his race rig] as one big res, and nvidia card cant do it. Nvidia needs 3 identical screens for 'one big monitor' mode. So traded me that he had left over as 'used', for what he wanted from me. And he paid shipping for both us, for around $100.
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-Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times. -G. Michael Hopf
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couleur
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| Posted: Thu, 16th Mar 2023 07:29 Post subject: |
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I agree with inter, 1440p on 27” is still a good sweetspot imo. Anything bigger and 1440p becomes too grainy. But 4K is not that big an improvement for the massive amount of gpu power needed for the same fps/settings.
"Enlightenment is man's emergence from his self-imposed nonage. Nonage is the inability to use one's own understanding without another's guidance. This nonage is self-imposed if its cause lies not in lack of understanding but in indecision and lack of courage to use one's own mind without another's guidance. Dare to know! (Sapere aude.) "Have the courage to use your own understanding," is therefore the motto of the enlightenment."
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| Posted: Thu, 16th Mar 2023 08:15 Post subject: |
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It really depends on your usage. on 27" 1440p is really enough, if you go higher then 27" you would want 4k.
Also if you play much on a ps5 you will get a bigger screen anyway most likely and you would want to have hdmi 2.1 so you can use VRR, which many 1440p screens don't have and if they have it, it's very pricey (500 euros+) so you can get a 4k screen anyway.
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| Posted: Thu, 16th Mar 2023 09:01 Post subject: |
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1440p, which I might upgrade into next year (currently @ 1200p on a 24" dell).
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| Posted: Thu, 16th Mar 2023 12:49 Post subject: |
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Lemme clear things out...
-I'm not looking for 4K (Way higher requirements even though it looks better, yet i want games to still look great but faster etc, also OLED for art, etc as i said)
-I'm not looking for ultra wideness, even less curvy (Too much to look at)
-Anything above 27" is "too much" for where my actual monitor's placed at (More separated from the desktop (See below)
-I already have a 32" SONY TV for my PS5, so monitor is out of the league (I'm not a multi-monitor person, it takes space..)
If you must see the "why" then here's a photo of my actual setup and the reason why i don't want anything above 27"
https://twitter.com/DV2THEFOX/status/1636330496371089409
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| Posted: Thu, 16th Mar 2023 14:03 Post subject: |
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man. that's a clear best quality 27" 1440p monitor you can afford.
Maybe wait for 27" OLED monitors, i think a few area already on the market. They will priced stupidly though.
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| Posted: Thu, 16th Mar 2023 15:48 Post subject: |
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search for "mura effect" before you buy anything, i wouldn't buy any OLED screen as long this exist.
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| Posted: Thu, 16th Mar 2023 15:55 Post subject: |
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| freiwald wrote: | | search for "mura effect" before you buy anything, i wouldn't buy any OLED screen as long this exist. |
There is always something, isn't there. I can't stand the shitty contrast on my IPS but every other tech has issues too. Its a bit annoying.
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| Posted: Thu, 16th Mar 2023 16:43 Post subject: |
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| couleur wrote: | | freiwald wrote: | | search for "mura effect" before you buy anything, i wouldn't buy any OLED screen as long this exist. |
There is always something, isn't there. I can't stand the shitty contrast on my IPS but every other tech has issues too. Its a bit annoying. |
yes sadly you never hear about it, i have seen so many OLED reviews, no one is mentioning it. just like in the past everyone was telling everyone how great IPS displays are. "Problems? you don't notice the backlight bleeding, yellow picture or low latency anyway and if you use your display wrong, great colors are much more important". Im so done with people justifying their overpriced stuff.
If there are flaws people should know and then decide if they want to use it like that.
Yes great i have perfect blacks then, with a weird layer over it. Why would i want to pay 1000 Euros for that? i rather have not so perfect black then and save the money for something else.
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jackbomb
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| Posted: Thu, 16th Mar 2023 17:03 Post subject: |
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So what's the best display technology besides OLED and its burn-in? I am here with a TFT 27" panel which still works fine and dandy but thinking of doing a leap forward.
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| Posted: Thu, 16th Mar 2023 17:12 Post subject: |
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I wouldn't write off oled.
Friewald has a good point though, a decent IPS or VA is good enough and will probably be half or less the price. It's mature tech therefore your less likely to get a lemon.
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| Posted: Thu, 16th Mar 2023 18:23 Post subject: |
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| AmpegV4 wrote: | I wouldn't write off oled.
Friewald has a good point though, a decent IPS or VA is good enough and will probably be half or less the price. It's mature tech therefore your less likely to get a lemon. |
So how prevalent is burn-in with OLED desktop monitors today? Not the same use, I know, but I'm sporting a Samsung S9+ with AMOLED without a trace of burn-in for almost 5 years now.
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| Posted: Fri, 17th Mar 2023 10:36 Post subject: |
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QD-OLED has no burn-in?
also some sick oled monitors are supposed to come out next month
maybe I'll finally move from 1080 to 1440 too
currently using EIZO FG2421
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| Posted: Fri, 17th Mar 2023 16:32 Post subject: |
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| DV2 wrote: | | KillerCrocker wrote: | 1440p ?! yuck. That's barely better than 1080p.
4k or death. |
Name one 4K OLED 27" +144hz monitor then... |
There are oled monitors now. More than one.
But I recommend 42-48" lg c2. hdmi 2.1, 120hz, oled, fantastic hdr. What's not to like
3080, ps5, lg oled
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... There is 1440p 240hz OLEDs now, they cost the same as 42" 4K OLED tho, don't expect them to get any lower in price, smaller panels are always more expensive.
