Can i keep my i5 2500k?
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hazen




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PostPosted: Wed, 14th Sep 2016 22:35    Post subject: Can i keep my i5 2500k?
Hey guys, i was thinking on getting a new gpu for my system like a 970 or 1060 but is my cpu going to be a substantial bottleneck?


I'm assuming i have to get a new mobo to upgrade my cpu, so is the 2500k still good enough?


Also, i've been considering clocking it but i've never done that and im guessing i need a new cooler then?
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hazen




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PostPosted: Wed, 14th Sep 2016 22:35    Post subject:
Going from a 670 GTX 2GB btw..
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PostPosted: Wed, 14th Sep 2016 22:40    Post subject:
I'm running a non-k with a 970... it does the job fine. There are some games where I feel a bit crippled but for the majority gaming at 1080p is handled just fine.

I would advice you to overclock it. You can get away with something cheap like cooler master hyper 212. It does the job for a decent OC at a very cheap price.

However if you do feel like getting a new CPU, I'd gladly take a donation of a 2500-k! That bit of OC would help me! Razz

Edit: And yes, go for the 1060.




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Janz




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PostPosted: Wed, 14th Sep 2016 22:41    Post subject:
buy a new decent cpu cooler, set up the multiplicator. its easy as fuck (as long as you have a z-board) to reach 4,4ghz stable with a low vcore

and dont get a 970, go for a 1060
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PostPosted: Wed, 14th Sep 2016 22:44    Post subject:
The GPU upgrade will make a huge difference already for your performance.

I'm still running on a 2500k myself.
There were only some very few occasions where noticed that my CPU struggled - it was Division i think.
If you google for some recent benchmarks, you will see that often the performance difference between the 2500k and newer models is rather minimal though. And not worth the upgrade costs IMO (mainboard, RAM, CPU)


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PostPosted: Wed, 14th Sep 2016 23:13    Post subject:
Deus Ex: HD CPU bench:


http://www.techspot.com/review/1235-deus-ex-mankind-divided-benchmarks/page5.html


Personally I would wait for Kaby Lake.


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hazen




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PostPosted: Wed, 14th Sep 2016 23:34    Post subject:
Morphineus wrote:
I'm running a non-k with a 970... it does the job fine. There are some games where I feel a bit crippled but for the majority gaming at 1080p is handled just fine.

I would advice you to overclock it. You can get away with something cheap like cooler master hyper 212. It does the job for a decent OC at a very cheap price.

However if you do feel like getting a new CPU, I'd gladly take a donation of a 2500-k! That bit of OC would help me! Razz

Edit: And yes, go for the 1060.


Okey i'll go 1060 and try to OC my cpu for now but i'll probably wait for the Kaby Lake ones as escalibur mentioned.

If you still want it when i upgrade you may have it bud, it's not like i'll be putting effort into selling an older CPU anyway Smile

Also, i use my pc in the livingroom with a 1080p tv that wont be exchanged anytime soon. 4k, hdr is great and all but so far im still happy with my Panasonic ST.


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Janz




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PostPosted: Wed, 14th Sep 2016 23:35    Post subject:
why wait? no need to buy anything new. with the same clockspeed the i5 2500k would reach the same values as the i7 6700k which basicly will be the same results as a kaby lake cpu will get.

overall in some application cases you will have a difference of max 3-5%
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PostPosted: Wed, 14th Sep 2016 23:37    Post subject:
Yes, why wait? Even if you were going for kaby lake, you'd upgrade your gpu, so you might aswell do that now and enjoy it. Maybe you'll even find out you would not need to upgrade the 2500K.


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hazen




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PostPosted: Wed, 14th Sep 2016 23:39    Post subject:
3-5% performance bonus? What, why would anyone...

I'll keep it and see what a 1060 does for me then!

I want to be able to get some VR going later as well.

Really surprised the performance of cpu's havent evolved much in years, or maybe it's just gaming wise?
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Janz




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PostPosted: Wed, 14th Sep 2016 23:50    Post subject:
two points:

intel has no competition since years, no need to push things faster than they do it atm. and second -> the industry has reached a point where maximum clockrates are almost reached. the consumer applications must go into the way of multicore, but only a very few consumer applications do make proper use of more than 4 cores (even games)
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PostPosted: Wed, 14th Sep 2016 23:51    Post subject:
Janz wrote:
why wait? no need to buy anything new. with the same clockspeed the i5 2500k would reach the same values as the i7 6700k which basicly will be the same results as a kaby lake cpu will get.

overall in some application cases you will have a difference of max 3-5%
This bullshit again Laughing
Yeah, that's why folks with older CPU's but with the same 970 I had had some noticeable stutter and FPS drops on games which weren't just happening for anyone with a newer CPU...

@OP: Keep the 2500K, and also keep an eye on kaby lake and by then make up your mind or try and find a sweet deal


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PostPosted: Thu, 15th Sep 2016 00:24    Post subject:
I know a guy who actually went from the 2500k to 6800k and the difference is real. With that said, you're planning to go for a 1060, and I believe the 2500K will still serve you very well.

You WILL see a difference from upgrading to a 1060, the 2500k will not give you any severe bottleneck. You should still consider upgrading your CPU, but not right now. It's worth waiting.
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PostPosted: Thu, 15th Sep 2016 00:36    Post subject:
sure there is a difference between an old sandy quad core and a relatively new broadwell-e sixcore cpu with 12 threads. cmon guys
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PostPosted: Thu, 15th Sep 2016 00:39    Post subject:
It must have been a joke.


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PostPosted: Thu, 15th Sep 2016 01:14    Post subject:
Thanks men, i'll get a new card and consider further upgrades next year
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PostPosted: Thu, 15th Sep 2016 04:32    Post subject:
The glorious i5 2500k, you'd think its life has finally come to an end but nope. There can be only one!

It's definitely taking the toll these days, that goes without saying, but if you don't mind accepting some compromises in games (by typically avoiding Ultra/Highest details in some cases and/or reducing some of the more CPU-intensive options when noticing signs of struggling), it's still a damn solid piece of hardware, especially if overclocked. Razz
I've got mine running at 4.4Ghz without touching anything else (five years and counting), and I could probably push it even further but the high temperatures here don't help and the room is always a furnace.

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PostPosted: Thu, 15th Sep 2016 07:48    Post subject:
Yes, I'm also kicking 2500k and I ordered 1070 Razz (going from 7950 to 1070)
I should get more power with this upgrade rather than going from 2500k to 6600k. I still plan to upgrade my CPU after a while though.


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PostPosted: Thu, 15th Sep 2016 15:20    Post subject:
Glad to see so many 2500k owners here (i thought everyone would upgrade to 6600k by now) Very Happy - it's over 5 years if i remember correctly.
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PostPosted: Thu, 15th Sep 2016 15:28    Post subject:
also get 1060 with 6GB of RAM, not only 3GB


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PostPosted: Thu, 15th Sep 2016 18:09    Post subject:
Awesome thread guys and good post ixi.

I was thinking in upgrading from my i5 2500k, which means a new MB and new DDR4 ram, and after this, it doesn't make any sense by upgrading now. I'm running a GTX980 btw.

I've decided to upgrade just the RAM, from 12 mb to 16. AND do an overclock permanently. Very Happy
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PostPosted: Thu, 15th Sep 2016 18:23    Post subject:
Call me crazy, but I'd consider updating to 32mb RAMz, just saying...


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PostPosted: Thu, 15th Sep 2016 19:32    Post subject:
tonizito wrote:
Call me crazy, but I'd consider updating to 32mb RAMz, just saying...


does it have an impact on the overclock overall stability?

with 12 mb so far, i've came pretty well. running everything on max and no lags at all. the witch 3 was delicious to watch and play.
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PostPosted: Thu, 15th Sep 2016 20:01    Post subject:
I am sure 16mb will be fine. They say 640KB is enough for anybody, after all.

EDIT: Also, if you ask me, 2500K is not good enough. But as long as you don't see it holding you back, might as well stay with it and upgrade when you start to see it stumble.
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PostPosted: Thu, 15th Sep 2016 21:20    Post subject:
kumkss wrote:
does it have an impact on the overclock overall stability?

with 12 mb so far, i've came pretty well. running everything on max and no lags at all. the witch 3 was delicious to watch and play.
Ufffffff.... a while back since I had 32Mb RAMzzzzz.

Can't remember details like those unfortunately Sad


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hazen




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PostPosted: Fri, 16th Sep 2016 01:30    Post subject:
MinderMast wrote:
I am sure 16mb will be fine. They say 640KB is enough for anybody, after all.

EDIT: Also, if you ask me, 2500K is not good enough. But as long as you don't see it holding you back, might as well stay with it and upgrade when you start to see it stumble.


That's the thing. I can't tell if its my GPU or CPU that's struggling i just dont know what the signs are. All i know is that 670 is getting old and 2GBvram is not good enough anymore, or at least for me since i run out of it real fast when playing around with settings.
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PostPosted: Fri, 16th Sep 2016 07:10    Post subject:
Seriously, Its the GPU. I'm still on a 3570K@4.5Ghz with a 290X and I've never felt my CPU to be the bottleneck.

Just buy a new GPU and you'll see.


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PostPosted: Fri, 16th Sep 2016 14:48    Post subject:
Lol, my GPU started whining, or grinding more like, so i had to send my rig in yesterday (it was pre but custom buildt). We have a 5 year warranty on products meant to last five years or more here in Norway. I got a mail saying they will replace my card on the retailers dime.

Wonder if they have old cards lying around or of they'll put something else in Razz

Heck, throw in a 1070 and let's call it even. Seems fair since i now have no pc for days Razz

Or weeks.. who knows. They surely don't Crying or Very sad


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PostPosted: Fri, 16th Sep 2016 14:59    Post subject:
hazen wrote:
MinderMast wrote:
I am sure 16mb will be fine. They say 640KB is enough for anybody, after all.

EDIT: Also, if you ask me, 2500K is not good enough. But as long as you don't see it holding you back, might as well stay with it and upgrade when you start to see it stumble.


That's the thing. I can't tell if its my GPU or CPU that's struggling i just dont know what the signs are. All i know is that 670 is getting old and 2GBvram is not good enough anymore, or at least for me since i run out of it real fast when playing around with settings.


Don't worry, I think Mindermast has a bit too high expectations when he says: not good enough. Smile

It will be the GPU and you'll notice quite the difference coupled with the OC (for those things like: Star citizen . If you feel you want even more than that there is always that option to upgrade mobo-ram-cpu afterwards. You need that better cooler later on anyway so there's no loss going with the cheaper option for now. Smile


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hazen




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PostPosted: Fri, 16th Sep 2016 15:06    Post subject:
Yeah i'll order a new cooler and do my first OC when it gets back from the shop Smile

I'll just google a guide to OC'ng this specific cpu.

Any suggestions for a fairly cheap but good cooler?
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