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Posted: Wed, 30th Mar 2016 23:36 Post subject: [PS4] PlayStation 4 Pro |
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Someone on neogaf has spilled the beans and the moderators have verified he knows his stuff. http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1202462
- GPU "twice as powerful and much faster" than PS4's.
- 4K Blu-ray drive
- Can upscale all games to 4K resolution (in case you have a 4K monitor)
- Devkits already out and developers already making games that target the PS4K and will run on the PS4 with "significant sacrifices".
- Existing games won't benefit from the new hardware, unless developers recompile them and ship patches of course. Sony does not expect this is something that developers will do (at most a handful of games).
The following games will be available on launch and have "significant differences" compared to their PS4 versions:
For the PSVR:
Quote: | Eve Valkyrie
Robinson
GT Sport
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For the PS4K:
Price: $400 as it currently is, $500 if they decide to put in a better CPU than what they currently have.
Given the machine will come with a UHD Blu-ray player it's a steal, if you care about UHD anyway. A UHD player alone costs $400-500 so essentially by buying the PS4K you get a faster PS4 "for free" along with the player. http://www.samsung.com/us/video/home-audio/UBD-K8500/ZA
TWIN PEAKS is "something of a miracle."
"...like nothing else on television."
"a phenomenon."
"A tangled tale of sex, violence, power, junk food..."
"Like Nothing On Earth"
~ WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO SAY CAN ONLY BE SEEN ~
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHTUOgYNRzY
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Posted: Wed, 30th Mar 2016 23:40 Post subject: |
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This whole thing is very bizarre to me, it's almost certain to end up fracturing the market - especially when "PS4K Only" titles start showing up.
consolitis wrote: | Given the machine will come with a UHD Blu-ray player it's a steal, if you care about UHD anyway. A UHD player alone costs $400-500 so essentially by buying the PS4K you get a faster PS4 "for free" along with the player. http://www.samsung.com/us/video/home-audio/UBD-K8500/ZA |
Reminds me of both the Playstation 2 and Playstation 3, both of which came with high end DVD/BR players at a time where they were brand new - exorbitantly expensive - technology.
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Posted: Wed, 30th Mar 2016 23:45 Post subject: |
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I should note some people say it's an early April Fools' joke.
Well, I don't remember the mods doing something like that before and in fact every year they have a rule that every April Fools' joke must be posted in one clearly labeled megathread and deceiving people with fake news is not allowed. So I don't think it's fake, but we'll know soon enough.
TWIN PEAKS is "something of a miracle."
"...like nothing else on television."
"a phenomenon."
"A tangled tale of sex, violence, power, junk food..."
"Like Nothing On Earth"
~ WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO SAY CAN ONLY BE SEEN ~
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHTUOgYNRzY
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Posted: Wed, 30th Mar 2016 23:50 Post subject: |
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Goddamnit, Sony. 
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Posted: Wed, 30th Mar 2016 23:55 Post subject: |
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If this happens then the cheeky bastards should heavily discount the console when part-exchanged with a standard ps4.
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Posted: Wed, 30th Mar 2016 23:58 Post subject: |
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MishkiN wrote: | If this happens then the cheeky bastards should heavily discount the console when part-exchanged with a standard ps4. |
Forgot to add that, it's in the link, the answer to this is: "No such plans for now but it could change."
TWIN PEAKS is "something of a miracle."
"...like nothing else on television."
"a phenomenon."
"A tangled tale of sex, violence, power, junk food..."
"Like Nothing On Earth"
~ WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO SAY CAN ONLY BE SEEN ~
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHTUOgYNRzY
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Posted: Thu, 31st Mar 2016 00:22 Post subject: |
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Posted: Thu, 31st Mar 2016 01:11 Post subject: |
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If they want people to buy it, they should create some trade in program.
I still think it's too early for a new PS4. At least the New 3DS came out during the end life cycle of the O3DS and didn't fracture the market that much (although try to play Hyrule Warriors on O3DS vs N3DS )
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Posted: Thu, 31st Mar 2016 01:21 Post subject: |
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its just stupid to "upgrade" an existing console, even the small things which nintendo did with the handhelds. sony and ms would get a massive shitstorm, the console gamers buy it to have peace for a few years (7+) with that generation. otherwise you could buy a decent gaming rig or upgrade your old rig every 2-3 years. nothing wrong with refreshes, but increasing the power and excluding day 0 buyers etc -> epic fail
and i think its an early 1st april joke. even if they upgrade that thing it wouldnt be able of 4k gaming, and thats the next step (hell its not even capable of full hd gaming @ 60fps for all games).
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Posted: Thu, 31st Mar 2016 06:58 Post subject: |
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Don't give a fuck honestly. Exclusive titles were the main reason for me getting a PS4. If that's affected, then fuck you Sony!
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Posted: Thu, 31st Mar 2016 07:14 Post subject: |
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One thing is for sure, i'm glad as fuck that i didn't buy a ps4 yet. Wonder how the regular edition will be priced after this. My bet is a small reduction and an outrageous price for the new one.
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Posted: Thu, 31st Mar 2016 09:48 Post subject: |
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Regardless of whether this is an April fool's joke or not, it's admittance that the "next gen" console was actually built with last gen components and it's dating badly. Embarrassing either way.
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Posted: Thu, 31st Mar 2016 09:51 Post subject: |
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Well...They already adapted the audience in some way. Remember HD remaster? (Last of us, uncharted etc.)
Now You get a console which can remaster the games you already bought for your ps4. isn't that just 2017ish?
but yeah fuck you sony. I dont want to buy a new console every week.
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Posted: Thu, 31st Mar 2016 11:21 Post subject: |
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Well if thats all true, I guess I need to buy it..simple as that..mo' moneh..
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Posted: Thu, 31st Mar 2016 12:51 Post subject: |
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This is a very weird decision, to be honest. If it backfires on them, Sony may just end up squandering their biggest success in many years.
When people buy consoles they invest in a certain promise. Part of that promise - for some quite an important one - is not having to give a damn about gaming hardware for at least a couple of years. You buy a box and you're set. You know you'll have to live with some cuts and drawbacks compared to PCs, but you're fine with it for one reason - you know the box's parent company will support it as their flagship in the forseeable future. Changing the flagship suddenly could be seen as breaking of that promise - because, silly codenames aside, if your new box is twice as powerful as the old one, in reality it's actually a completely new product. As such it's bound to become your new performance/quality benchmark - the new toy you focus on. This is no Expansion Pak. We're talking twice the horse power of a PS4 - at least. You don't invest so heavily in putting new hardware on the market so that all that power goes to waste.Even if they don't do it right away, PS4K is bound to get its own exclusives sooner or later, especially when PS4 hardware gets older and older still. And especially with VR being so needy when it comes to performance - I wouldn't be surprised if half of PSVR titles were PS4K only.
I really can't see how they could think of pulling this off without fracturing the well-formed PS4 client base. A trade-in program with a huge discount could help, but even then...
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Posted: Thu, 31st Mar 2016 13:19 Post subject: |
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Janz wrote: | and i think its an early 1st april joke. even if they upgrade that thing it wouldnt be able of 4k gaming, and thats the next step (hell its not even capable of full hd gaming @ 60fps for all games). |
Like the "HD" consoles than ran many games at sub-720p?
Marketing will justify the 4K as "your movies are 4K and all games are automatically upscaled to 4K so it's a 4K machine".
MishkiN wrote: | Regardless of whether this is an April fool's joke or not, it's admittance that the "next gen" console was actually built with last gen components and it's dating badly. Embarrassing either way. |
VR is the cause. Otherwise the PS4 is still doing fine.
Stormwolf wrote: | One thing is for sure, i'm glad as fuck that i didn't buy a ps4 yet. Wonder how the regular edition will be priced after this. My bet is a small reduction and an outrageous price for the new one. |
The price is in the OP no need to bet.
Ampee wrote: | Well...They already adapted the audience in some way. Remember HD remaster? (Last of us, uncharted etc.)
Now You get a console which can remaster the games you already bought for your ps4. isn't that just 2017ish?
but yeah fuck you sony. I dont want to buy a new console every week. |
You might want to re-read the OP where I have written this won't happen.
TWIN PEAKS is "something of a miracle."
"...like nothing else on television."
"a phenomenon."
"A tangled tale of sex, violence, power, junk food..."
"Like Nothing On Earth"
~ WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO SAY CAN ONLY BE SEEN ~
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHTUOgYNRzY
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Posted: Thu, 31st Mar 2016 14:57 Post subject: |
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I can't see how a "GPU twice as powerful and faster" will provide right out of the box a smooth 4k experience. They need a GPU 5x as powerful AND a CPU 5x as powerful AND game devs capable to provide optimized games. Sony (SCEA) can't even provide a smooth 60fps experience in 1080p with MLB 16 The Show. There are drops even in 30's and jaggies everywhere.
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Posted: Thu, 31st Mar 2016 15:51 Post subject: |
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It doesn't matter, the previous consoles weren't able to output HD either.
TWIN PEAKS is "something of a miracle."
"...like nothing else on television."
"a phenomenon."
"A tangled tale of sex, violence, power, junk food..."
"Like Nothing On Earth"
~ WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO SAY CAN ONLY BE SEEN ~
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHTUOgYNRzY
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Posted: Thu, 31st Mar 2016 17:24 Post subject: |
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Yeah this is a very bad idea for the reasons already mentioned.
The funny thing is that history already has evidence why it's a dumb idea. Every time a console creator released an "update" with backward compatibility, it failed to attract many developers and fractured the market. The Sega 32x for example - and even the Amiga CD.
It will also cause the sales of the current PS4 to plummet until the new version is released and since the new version will undoubtedly be ridiculously expensive (knowing Sony), it will have poor sales. People will be unwilling to pay that much for the few games that will be supported by then, nor will they be willing to buy the original PS4 "just in case" the PS4 upgrade breaks through.
So, Sony are screwed.
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Posted: Thu, 31st Mar 2016 17:49 Post subject: |
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It's a bit upsetting for me. If i knew they are making a better model then i wouldn't bought my PS4 3 weeks ago. Like Aquma said, when i buy a console i know that for 5-6 years i have a machine that will play all games, now i'm not sure if PS4K won't have is own exclusives.
I guess we'll have to wait and see what's PS4K brings.
I for sure ain't going to buy console every 3 years, if this is going to be the future of consoles then i will wait and alot more before buying one.
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Posted: Thu, 31st Mar 2016 17:56 Post subject: |
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Dudes the PS4 has been out for like 3 years, 4 by the time this shit arrives. Seems perfectly sensible they'd want to release an upgraded version.
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Posted: Thu, 31st Mar 2016 18:42 Post subject: |
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Still think it's an April fool's joke. If not, well, they better make some kind of addon for the existing PS4 owners, otherwise they, we will feel screwed.
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Posted: Thu, 31st Mar 2016 18:43 Post subject: |
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But that's something no one expected.. I mean PS3 and 2 had a much longer cycle life before their successor came out.
So now Sony and MS change things, and that's fine but no everyone will like this. I won't buy a new console every 3 years.
Also what's the deal with PS4K? Why not make PS5?
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Posted: Thu, 31st Mar 2016 20:23 Post subject: |
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Salseros wrote: | Still think it's an April fool's joke. If not, well, they better make some kind of addon for the existing PS4 owners, otherwise they, we will feel screwed. |
Let's get this straight. The PS4K is coming. 100% certain (unless of course something cataclysmic happens).
Multiple sources have confirmed it to multiple publications.
Kotaku: http://kotaku.com/sources-sony-is-working-on-a-ps4-5-1765723053
Quote: | Sony is currently planning a new version of the PS4 with increased graphical power and games running at 4K resolution, developer sources tell Kotaku. |
Eurogamer: http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2016-in-theory-playstation-4k-is-real-but-why-is-sony-making-it
Quote: | In the wake of last week's post-GDC outing of the hardware by Kotaku, we have independently established that it's real and that Sony's R&D labs have prototype devices, and we also have more than one source referring to it as PlayStation 4K, the name we'll be using for now. |
Even freaking The Wall Street Journal knows about it: http://www.wsj.com/articles/sony-plans-new-playstation-for-graphics-heavy-games-1459152941
Quote: | Sony Corp. is planning to sell a more powerful version of its PlayStation 4 machine to handle higher-end game experiences, including virtual reality, people familiar with the matter said, while continuing production of its existing console that has so far sold more than 36 million units world-wide. |
The April Fool's joke would just mean the neogaf dude was trolling and doesn't have any inside info regarding horsepower, price, availability, etc.
That it is coming, is a certainty.
TWIN PEAKS is "something of a miracle."
"...like nothing else on television."
"a phenomenon."
"A tangled tale of sex, violence, power, junk food..."
"Like Nothing On Earth"
~ WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO SAY CAN ONLY BE SEEN ~
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHTUOgYNRzY
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Posted: Thu, 31st Mar 2016 20:53 Post subject: |
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Some kind of faster XB1 will be coming as well. They don't have a choice.
TWIN PEAKS is "something of a miracle."
"...like nothing else on television."
"a phenomenon."
"A tangled tale of sex, violence, power, junk food..."
"Like Nothing On Earth"
~ WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO SAY CAN ONLY BE SEEN ~
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHTUOgYNRzY
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