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 Posted: Mon, 28th Dec 2015 12:20 Post subject: |
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if you have the money -> go for skylake. its a bit more expensive, but a bit more powerful while having a bit less powerconsumption. but get a good 500w psu, 750w is useless and only needed for sli/crossfire
what about gfx card? and 2111mhz ddr4 should be enough
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| Posted: Mon, 28th Dec 2015 13:56 Post subject: |
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I have a shitty GTX 660 which will bottleneck the PC, but I never upgrade my graphics card unless I can't actually run new games or it starts acting up. It's working perfectly right now with perfect temps, so I'm not planning on upgrading yet.
Besides, I only have a 1080p monitor, so it'll be fine for now.
Is this PSU good? Pretty great discount.
http://www.inet.se/produkt/6910137/fsp-aurum-pt-92-550w
New list with changes http://www.prisjakt.nu/list.php?l=3007118&view=l
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| Posted: Mon, 28th Dec 2015 14:36 Post subject: |
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please no fsp crap.
http://www.inet.se/produkt/6909895/cooler-master-gm-450w
thats nice and cheap (and enough for a gfx card update in the future, if you want to be safe (which isnt needed anyway) get the gm 550w) and the comment about the noise is bullshit
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Stige
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| Posted: Mon, 28th Dec 2015 15:54 Post subject: |
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the g450m isnt crap and 450-500w psus are more than enough for modern systems. and beware of superflower psus, there are many fakes at the market (inside only cheap china crap and the logo on the case is mirrored)
and 2600mhz ddr4 isnt needed cause its outside the official specs, doesnt need to work
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| Posted: Mon, 28th Dec 2015 15:55 Post subject: |
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for a psu corsair or bequiet. wouldn't buy something else.
i got this one http://www.webhallen.com/se-sv/datorkomponenter/158209-be_quiet_powersupply_pure_power_l8_630w_modular
500 watt should be enough too. there is a 500w version of this one too. i just bought this because it had the same price on amazon as the 500w psu.
don't play lottery. don't buy a superflower psu. you will regret it. also i agree coolermaster is crap if it comes to psus. don't buy!
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Stige
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| Posted: Mon, 28th Dec 2015 15:55 Post subject: |
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Most likely yes, and should run any single GPU setup just fine.
My 3570K at 5GHz + R9 390 pulls ~500W from the wall tops, so like ~460W from the PSU itself.
| Janz wrote: | the g450m isnt crap and 450-500w psus are more than enough for modern systems. and beware of superflower psus, there are many fakes at the market (inside only cheap china crap and the logo on the case is mirrored)
and 2600mhz ddr4 isnt needed cause its outside the official specs, doesnt need to work |
It is true, there are shitty Superflowers out there aswell, but the real ones are the best money can buy.
It is not hard to google a review of a PSU to see what it contains, my Rosewill Tachyon is made of Superflower components aswell.
I will never buy anything else again, if I have to buy a new PSU anytime soon, which I'm doubtful of.
Corsair might not be bad but it's not the quality that Superflower is.
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| Posted: Mon, 28th Dec 2015 16:06 Post subject: |
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yes but your cpu is old ivy and massive oced, and the 390 wastes a lot of power. as i said, with normal equiptment and maybe slight oc 450w is enough if you dont use oced high end gpus like a 980ti or similar (or any amd card)
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| Posted: Mon, 28th Dec 2015 16:24 Post subject: |
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na if you buy complete new setup now its not smart to buy old stuff, just go for skylake and ddr4. ddr3 and the old 1150 socket are dead
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| Posted: Mon, 28th Dec 2015 16:38 Post subject: |
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Those are some cheap packages indeed.
If you can overclock at all, I think you can make due with older generation for now. Atleast I'm planning on that for now atleast, was going to upgrade to Skylake from Ivy earlier but sticking with Ivy now considering I got a decent overclocking CPU.
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| Posted: Mon, 28th Dec 2015 16:47 Post subject: |
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@Stige
I apologize. Just had a look at DDR4 prices. And between 2133 - 2800 is barely a price difference. But between DDR3 and DDR4 there indeed is a big difference.
Regarding DDR4 and Skylake: I still am using the my ~3 year old 2500k@4.3GHz and 8GB 1600 DDR3 RAM. I can't remember any of those two being responsible for bad performance in games. I only play in 1080p though.
What makes a huges difference though, is upgrading your GPU.
IMO CPU and RAM were good enough already a few years ago and i would not expect any huge performance increases in the near future. Only things like energy consumption you can expect to get better.
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| Posted: Mon, 28th Dec 2015 17:10 Post subject: |
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ofc you can still use your old 2500k overclocked, will play everything fine for a long time (and does it already for a long time). but in this case its about a new setup and in EXACTLY this case its worthless do buy old generations, period.
and ofc is not worth it to upgrade from oced ivy or even sandy to skylake
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| Posted: Mon, 28th Dec 2015 17:10 Post subject: |
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you guys argue over ram speeds for gaming? lol.
if you run your ram at 800mhz or 2400mhz the difference is about 0.3 seconds are you all aware fo this? This is why faster ram for gaming is pretty much stupid, just get anything compatible with the cpu throughput and it is sufficient. 
You are better off with a faster SSD.
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| Posted: Mon, 28th Dec 2015 17:12 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Mon, 28th Dec 2015 17:16 Post subject: |
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You reallly don't know because you have not tested have you, go do some testing with ur ram at lower speeds then ramp it up to its normal and test again. You will find fack all in it. So derp yourself.
Sure nobody runs ram at low clocks but the increase is a joke if you don't. My xmp profile does insane ram speeds but the difference is negligible.
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| Posted: Mon, 28th Dec 2015 17:20 Post subject: |
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| moosenoodles wrote: | You reallly don't know because you have not tested have you, go do some testing with ur ram at lower speeds then ramp it up to its normal and test again. You will find fack all in it. So derp yourself.
Sure nobody runs ram at low clocks but the increase is a joke if you don't. My xmp profile does insane ram speeds but the difference is negligible. |
I was talking about DDR4, not DDR3.
Like I said, the memory bandwidth on Skylake is not as limited as it is on older generations. So you can see a difference, even if it is only a few FPS.
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| Posted: Mon, 28th Dec 2015 17:30 Post subject: |
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| Stige wrote: | | moosenoodles wrote: | You reallly don't know because you have not tested have you, go do some testing with ur ram at lower speeds then ramp it up to its normal and test again. You will find fack all in it. So derp yourself.
Sure nobody runs ram at low clocks but the increase is a joke if you don't. My xmp profile does insane ram speeds but the difference is negligible. |
I was talking about DDR4, not DDR3.
Like I said, the memory bandwidth on Skylake is not as limited as it is on older generations. So you can see a difference, even if it is only a few FPS. |
ah right well it was probably due to seeing ddr 3 in the same sentence or some shit, im still on 17.5% alc bevs so excuse me if u can. How much in time to process is what I would be interested in seeing between the two. |
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| Posted: Mon, 28th Dec 2015 18:08 Post subject: |
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thats fine, but if you are planning a further upgrade in 2 years you need everything new again. with the skylake system you most likely only would have to replace the cpu hence i said its not smart to buy old generation now
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| Posted: Mon, 28th Dec 2015 18:11 Post subject: |
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Not planning to upgrade in 2 years. More like 6-7 years. Besides my GPU obviously.
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| Posted: Mon, 28th Dec 2015 18:15 Post subject: |
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Honestly if you dont want to upgrade for the next 6 years, I'd spend alot more on the CPU and either buy a Xeon 6-core setup or at least an i7 with HT.
The difference between Skylake and Haswell wont be that big to warrant the one over the other in 6 years. Having a few cores/threads more probably will.
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| Posted: Mon, 28th Dec 2015 18:23 Post subject: |
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yep, in that case i7 with ht or xeon would have been much better choice
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| Posted: Mon, 28th Dec 2015 18:25 Post subject: |
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I played through Witcher 3 with a stock Q9400. I imagine I'll be fine with an OCd 4690k for a couple of years.
Only reason I'm even upgrading now is because of all the problems. 2 BSODs just today.
I really, really don't mind lowering settings in demanding games.
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