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Posted: Fri, 29th Jul 2022 12:30 Post subject: Lack of good games? |
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Does anyone else feel like their systems are wasting away recently?
Was fortunate enough to get an 3080FE about 6 months after launch, and an 5800X3D at launch after not really having a decent system for a while....
There's just no decent games?
Most recent one I tried was Far Cry 6, uninstalled after about 10 minutres.
Starting to think I may have wasted some 💰, as this generation of hardware has so far proved to be pretty pointless.
Keep finding myself just playing older things, and going further and further back in time.
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Posted: Fri, 29th Jul 2022 12:50 Post subject: |
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Yep 3080 total waste of time and money so far.. very little RTX empowered games that don't look liked tacked on mirror effects also. Imo best looking games ive enjoyed lately:
The last 3-4 Resident evil releases.
Control was good (i only got it for RTX and i guess it uses Physx),
Tomb raider latest release also looks great.
Metro i thought looked bad and refunded.
Cyberpunk was a let down
Elden ring looks good but performs 10x better on console.
what have i missed? I kinda expected it.. console is so much better value these days.
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That said there are still good games coming out, they're just not AAA or reliant on good graphics.
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Posted: Fri, 29th Jul 2022 13:12 Post subject: |
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You are just getting old...like the rest of us.
This topic pops up every once in a while, but it's always nice to talk about it.
When I was yonger I played shit ton of games, good or bad, didn't matter since I just wanted to play.
These days if there is a mediocre game, I might try it and then be like "meh, what else is there?"
Also there is too much choices to play, way too much choices so you might feel like you are wasting your time playing something that doesn't grip you by the balls instantly.
Reason why some new games are all about instant gratification.
But yes, I agree there that older games are where it's at. You've played them before and you know you like them so why not play them again...that never fails.
I do think there are some possible good games incoming this year, just depends what kinds of games you like.
AmpegV4 wrote: | Yep 3080 total waste of time and money so far.. very little RTX empowered games that don't look liked tacked on mirror effects also. Imo best looking games ive enjoyed lately:
The last 3-4 Resident evil releases.
Control was good (i only got it for RTX and i guess it uses Physx),
Tomb raider latest release also looks great.
Metro i thought looked bad and refunded.
Cyberpunk was a let down
Elden ring looks good but performs 10x better on console.
what have i missed? I kinda expected it.. console is so much better value these days.
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That said there are still good games coming out, they're just not AAA or reliant on good graphics. |
But I don't see how some people would think that RTX was some kind of a savior?
It's a gimmick, just like 3D and motion control...none of these gimmicks are a game changer.
And kind of true, with the increased prices of components it might be that consoles offer more value these days.
Although my PS5 is just gathering dust since it has no games. 
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Posted: Fri, 29th Jul 2022 13:13 Post subject: |
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Most of the games are now Early access titles. They plan on releasing the game buggy and finish add content afterwards.
Like Cyberpunk, Dying Light 2, Far cry 6.
Maybe Ghostwire Tokyo was the last game I've enjoyed.
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Posted: Fri, 29th Jul 2022 13:59 Post subject: |
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Console is far superior given everything is built from the ground up for the platform. Was fucking hilarious when i was getting 20fps framedrops and stuttering in Elden Ring with a system literally 10x the price of a playstation, yet its running like butter on the target platform - console.
These days I'm mostly playing classic stuff or things that would run on a potato, it would take Valve releasing HL3 to hype me into a new GPU at this point.
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Posted: Fri, 29th Jul 2022 14:58 Post subject: Re: Lack of good games? |
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nik_nak wrote: | Does anyone else feel like their systems are wasting away recently? |
Times have changed and having a top of the line PC is not what it use to be. In days gone by we use to get true PC games, these days for the most part we simply get console games which run on PC, big difference.
Also the consumers have set such low standards that there is no need for them to innovate all that much anymore, just rehash the same horseshit while pushing the boundaries when it comes to monetization.
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Posted: Fri, 29th Jul 2022 15:16 Post subject: |
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50% with getting old, 50% with most games nowadays being a mix of shit or just not targeted to old farts like us. At least western games, since japan has always done their thing.
Never thought this to be the case, but in these past few years the most fun I've been having is with small, indie-ish games and mostly developed in yurop/eastern yurop like atom, underrail and a couple more.
I'd like to add dying light 2 and cyberpunk 2077 there but... mnjeh.
Most games from us derpelopers are just boring uninteresting shit nowadays, it's a sad state but you know what they say: idiswadidis
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Posted: Fri, 29th Jul 2022 15:17 Post subject: |
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those times were only a short period of relevance 1995-2004 or thereabouts. After that it was console shite pri1. Golden gaming for PC was hardly a thing, and a long long while ago.
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Posted: Fri, 29th Jul 2022 15:24 Post subject: |
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It was longer than that. 30 years or so. Since the early 80s, inventing the RPG genre, choice and consequences in gaming, open world and Lucas Arts and Sierra making the law in adventure gaming.
Then the 90s with FPS, RTS, MMOs.
Almost every genre that exists in gaming was invented on computers.
shooters, rpgs, adventure, strategy, flight games, space games, simulations, MMO, moba, stealth, battle royale. Steam, Unreal Engine, deathmatching, moding.
Console shitheads were playing Mario and its billion clones while PC was putting out stuff like Ultima 7, Ultima Underworld, Dune 2, Doom, MechWarrior, Wing Commander and countless others.
PC shaped nearly the entirety of the gaming world we have, not consoles. They were mimicking what pc was doing. Even today
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Posted: Fri, 29th Jul 2022 16:02 Post subject: |
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I suspect it is you losing interest rather than 'bad' games.
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Posted: Fri, 29th Jul 2022 16:17 Post subject: |
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Posted: Fri, 29th Jul 2022 17:06 Post subject: |
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Also I think the main problem comes from "listening to the community" approach. Almost every single game goes this way and the community tends to suggest stupid stuff:
FC6 have new game+
Rage 2 new game+ mode please
Horizon 2 have a skill reset button in the game
Horizon 2 why is there a pickup animation for picking up stuff
And yeah they implement these stupid features. Like in a non-linear game I don't need new game+ mode. (FC6 Rage 2 = start where you want)
Horizon 2 I think pickup animations are there for immersion, if we go this way: Why not "meta" the whole game. Just numbers and you press the button for give me everything. Game Complete. GOTY.
Also no comment on "button press" to reset my skills.
I really dont know how devs can be this stupid to ruin games with features like this (or more presicely: spend their time on fixing bugs rather than fullfilling these requests).
Also on a sidenote the irony (or the exception) is Cyberpunk, where the community requsted some nice "cut" features, but yeah, that's where they actually won't listen:
New game+ sure, one extra button on the map? Of course, gladly. Wall climbing? Faction wars? NO, rot in hell you bastard!
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Posted: Fri, 29th Jul 2022 21:23 Post subject: |
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Twitter is 90% bots and 10% vocal SJWs, who don't actually spend money on games. They and the idiot SJW, unskilled journos drive the discussion on what games should be about. Hence the story of western games has generally gone to shit. Character development got even worse.
Fans and hardcore fans can't be monetized.
Gameplay challenge locks out audiences, and is deemed too risky - or so many publishers think.
I haven't played a good game for a long, long time. Same with movies.
What Disney did to movies, publishers did to games. It is not even made for slightly intelligent adults anymore.
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Posted: Fri, 29th Jul 2022 21:38 Post subject: |
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It definitely is a mix of different factors. The fundamental lack of creativity plays a big role in this picture, as well as the resistance to innovation and anything that is considered too unsafe which coupled with the high costs of tripe-y A productions and extremely greed-centric practices/formulae directly affecting the experience create a lethal combo.
Add to those the general streamlinization process with related cinematichurrdurrization of the gameplay mechanics, the detrimental influx of questionable ideals in anything entertainment-related and the fact that the target audience is different than it used to be (younger and more casual) and well, the decline is real and tangible. We're not getting any younger which doesn't help either of course, but it's not one of the primary factors in my opinion.
Thankfully there are still positive exceptions mostly from the indie world, the A/AA industry and the Jap one so it's not all doom and gloom. And the golden oldies will indeed always be there. Still, I'm tired Robbie
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Posted: Fri, 29th Jul 2022 21:49 Post subject: |
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Just take a look at any journo gameplay videos. They absolutely and completely suck at gaming. They are horribly bad. Gamers used to write about games. Now woke journalists write about games, and sadly they give the feedback.
Fans no longer matter, because that is just not enough money.
But this is a very flawed conclusion from publishers IMHO. Take a look at Top Gun Maverick. People still want the good shit, and will pay money for it. Twitter SJWs will cry for their woke agendas, but they are not gamers - they are not spenders.
Think about it this way. We, older gamers (who just want a good game, no fluff) are now in the 35-45 range. We have money for games. We could drop serious cash on good games - but our feedback gets drowned out in noise.
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Posted: Fri, 29th Jul 2022 22:17 Post subject: |
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Edited.
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Posted: Fri, 29th Jul 2022 22:52 Post subject: |
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i dont know about you guys but i just took forever to finish Elden Ring and cherished every moment. sure, now every other game i touch feels stale but i cannot really say "omg gaeming is ded!" from my point of view...
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Posted: Fri, 29th Jul 2022 23:14 Post subject: |
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yeah.. 1-2 good games out of 100
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Posted: Fri, 29th Jul 2022 23:19 Post subject: |
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pho08 wrote: | i dont know about you guys but i just took forever to finish Elden Ring and cherished every moment. sure, now every other game i touch feels stale but i cannot really say "omg gaeming is ded!" from my point of view... |
yeah but your profile pic means you'd take that stance
Anyway, I agree with the lack of games. Games I've had fun with recently have been small titles that you don't need the top of the line to run.
Could be that none of the new AAA games are things I'm interested in, but it's kinda like the PS5. Since I have a PS4 and a PC, I feel like getting a PS5 doesn't make any sense because there's nothing interesting for me on it.
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Posted: Fri, 29th Jul 2022 23:37 Post subject: |
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AKofC wrote: | yeah but your profile pic means you'd take that stance
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Posted: Sat, 30th Jul 2022 10:25 Post subject: |
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pho08 wrote: | i dont know about you guys but i just took forever to finish Elden Ring and cherished every moment. sure, now every other game i touch feels stale but i cannot really say "omg gaeming is ded!" from my point of view... |
Yup, nothing came close so far to ER to me this year. I replayed a couple of games though, Arkham Knight for instance is still great and looks fantastic for a 7 year old game. Looks better than some of the games that come out this year.
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Posted: Sat, 30th Jul 2022 10:55 Post subject: |
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The problem is not the number of quality of the games, AAA and indie included, but the monopoly of big time 'journalist' platforms aka IGN, GS, PCGaymer (+ almost every other gaming platform) that choose to focus EXCLUSIVELY on money, partnerships and interests rather that games of quality.
Among the tens (perhaps hundreds) of games of all sorts coming out monthly, there's plenty to choose from. And, in truth, how many games do you REALLY need to play monthly? 20? 30? 5? REALLY? That many? I doubt it...
You can find subjective quality almost everywhere, just look it up for yourself instead on relying on 'NEWS' from IGN. There are YT channels that cover such 'less-popular' titles and most of them are pretty good: Indie James, Splattercatgaming + much, MUCH more.
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Posted: Sat, 30th Jul 2022 10:58 Post subject: |
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Agreed regarding ER, but it really is the exception instead of the rule.
And yeah, replaying older games/mods (Enderal, Ashes 2063, heavily modded FO3, FO:NV, Morrowind and Enderal) along with the few already mentioned is what I've spent a ton of money upgrading in late 2020 for
Barely touched any current year games aside for hardware testing purposes, everything looks shallow as shit.
boundle (thoughts on cracking AITD) wrote: | i guess thouth if without a legit key the installation was rolling back we are all fucking then |
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Posted: Sat, 30th Jul 2022 11:18 Post subject: |
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Meh
I could play most of my favourite games again and again until the end of time
Last night I started Expeditions: Rome which apparently released in 2022, it's very good ImmooOOO0000ooo0oOOoozeroOOooo
There are still a few other good ones coming this year, there's just a lot of shit in between.
What worries me is how few decent games get sequels now. GTA, The Witcher, Bethesda games and so on. Morrowind > Oblivion was 5 years. Oblivion > Skyrim was 5 years. TES hasn't had a sequel in over 10 years now. I wonder if I'll even see TES 7/8 in my lifetime.
Bethesda has proven they can let other studios create competent games as they work on main titles, and there are mods like Nehrim/Enderal that are developed within a few years by much smaller teams. Seems like a waste to have such big gaps between releases. Surely reselling Skyrim for the thirtieth time isn't bringing in as much money, hype and goodwill that a sequel would.
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Posted: Sat, 30th Jul 2022 11:37 Post subject: |
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As proekaan said above, we were just playing whatever we got and was unique to us because, well, everything is new and unique when you are 15. We tolerated jankness because there wasn't much choice and had time to get used to it. As much as I love Gothic, Freelancer and Silent Hill 2, I found them so frustrating in the first hours that I almost didn't play them. The abysmal camera and weird shooting was the reason I never played Resident Evil games except for 7. Now you play a game for 10 minutes, don't like, uninstall it and say "there is nothing nowadays to play!". We just have much more choice now but not so much time. Imagine growing up with games like Dying Light, Doom Eternal, Borderlands 3 and try to play Quake 2 or Unreal. I never played Unreal before (except Tournament 1 and 2004) and past 2 years I tried 3 times to play Unreal Gold but I find it too frustrating to play.
In the past 10-15 years there are a lot more different, interesting and/or improved games than in the 90's-2000's. I would've gone nuts if I was 12-15 right now. Even if many AAA are bit too copy/paste, there are dozens of great indies games.
What I agree is we don't have much quality RTS games anymore. There was Age of Empires 4 recently and the Total War: Warhammer games, also Northgard and some smaller games. Will see about Company of Heroes 3. But that's about them, mostly.
I always thought Black & White or Messiah are some of the most unique games ever and wish we have something new about them.
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Posted: Sat, 30th Jul 2022 11:47 Post subject: |
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PredOborG wrote: | Imagine growing up with games like Dying Light, Doom Eternal, Borderlands 3 and try to play Quake 2 or Unreal. I never played Unreal before (except Tournament 1 and 2004) and past 2 years I tried 3 times to play Unreal Gold but I find it too frustrating to play. |
I'd almost agree with you if one of my kids hadn't played 6 hours of Death to Spies this week when games like Hitman 3 are available on at least 3 machines in the same house. A few hours on Total War: MEDIEVAL II as well, even though we own all of the new games.
I myself didn't play Gothic games until 2012, and once I got over the stupidest fucking controls on earth, it was extremely enjoyable
People like to say that graphics don't matter, but I think most are full of shit. There are so many good experiences out there if you can look past the visuals, rubbish animations and clumsy controls
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Posted: Sat, 30th Jul 2022 11:52 Post subject: |
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I think another huge issue is that people these days aren't exposed to older titles or ways of playing games, they don't know any better. Look how well Ready or Not, Cuphead, Souls games, turn based games etc are doing now, and how many games include a 'hardcore' mode. Years ago, even suggesting that those sorts of games make a resurgence would have had you laughed out of the room. 'Nobody wants them!' - fuck off, nobody wants them. They stopped making them to chase those console dollars and they were never really given much of a chance.
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