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| Posted: Sat, 14th Dec 2013 01:21 Post subject: |
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in all fairness I think it's quite clear how the illusion of freedom works in the states. The only saving grace left in the US is that it's a secular place and not run by religious zealots... Oh wait.
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Morphineus
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Bit surprised that Belgium isn't even in the top 10. Guess they are over blowing the flemish vs waloon thing again 
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| Posted: Sat, 14th Dec 2013 06:23 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Sat, 14th Dec 2013 08:00 Post subject: |
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try saying the holocaust didnt happen while walking along rue neuve, freedom right there.
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| Posted: Sat, 14th Dec 2013 08:41 Post subject: |
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| Paintface wrote: | | try saying the holocaust didnt happen while walking along rue neuve, freedom right there. |
You're right. You'd fit in just fine in a KKK militia in the middle of a swamp in north Mississippi.
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Morphineus
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| Posted: Sat, 14th Dec 2013 13:00 Post subject: |
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| Paintface wrote: | | try saying the holocaust didnt happen while walking along rue neuve, freedom right there. |
Well we could always try saying Negroes are subhumans in Harlem...
I mean, point being? You can get beaten up anywhere in the world for spouting ignorance |
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| Posted: Sat, 14th Dec 2013 13:12 Post subject: |
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You won't get arrested. It's one of those laws that almost never gets used. And I'm sure most countries have laws like that. It's there for when something really goes too far.
But yeh guess statistics like this just look black and white. Tho I really doubt you won't get arrested if you spout nonsense like that in Harlem. Even if they invoke: "it's for your own safety" your so called 'true' freedom is being limited.
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| Posted: Sat, 14th Dec 2013 13:45 Post subject: |
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I don't know how this data is gathered but apparently its not right. The N1 freedom countries are all former USSR slave countries like Romania, Bulgaria, Ukraine, Poland, etc. Its almost law free zone, the law says 14 (you know what I mean), you can buy alcohol and cigarettes at any age, you can drive without license, stuff like that. Oh and if you kill somebody most of the time you will get away with probationary sentence or 2 years in jail which is the worst case scenario.
In America you can't buy booze until you are 21.. yeah freedom.. sure. The only free stuff in the US is that you can buy military grade weapons like you are buying Pepsi at the gas station. Besides that, its not that free country.
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Morphineus
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| Posted: Sat, 14th Dec 2013 13:45 Post subject: |
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True you Swedes are champions at being political correct. And it annoys the hell out of me that your government goes way further than it should. 
However I hear a lot more racists jokes on TV or on the streets here compared to when I lived in Belgium. My girlfriend was a bit surprised until I started pointing them out 
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| Posted: Sat, 14th Dec 2013 13:55 Post subject: |
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| warriormax wrote: | I don't know how this data is gathered but apparently its not right. The N1 freedom countries are all former USSR slave countries like Romania, Bulgaria, Ukraine, Poland, etc. Its almost law free zone, the law says 14 (you know what I mean), you can buy alcohol and cigarettes at any age, you can drive without license, stuff like that. Oh and if you kill somebody most of the time you will get away with probationary sentence or 2 years in jail which is the worst case scenario.
In America you can't buy booze until you are 21.. yeah freedom.. sure. The only free stuff in the US is that you can buy military grade weapons like you are buying Pepsi at the gas station. Besides that, its not that free country. |
You must be confusing freedom with corruption 
Edit: Oh, and laws arent always something against freedom...they are quite often there to make sure accidents/and stupid things dont happen!
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| Posted: Sat, 14th Dec 2013 14:05 Post subject: |
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| warriormax wrote: | I don't know how this data is gathered but apparently its not right. The N1 freedom countries are all former USSR slave countries like Romania, Bulgaria, Ukraine, Poland, etc. Its almost law free zone, the law says 14 (you know what I mean), you can buy alcohol and cigarettes at any age, you can drive without license, stuff like that. Oh and if you kill somebody most of the time you will get away with probationary sentence or 2 years in jail which is the worst case scenario.
In America you can't buy booze until you are 21.. yeah freedom.. sure. The only free stuff in the US is that you can buy military grade weapons like you are buying Pepsi at the gas station. Besides that, its not that free country. |
Yes, drinking age is the barometer for freedom.
I'm going to start up a cotton plantation and force people to work for me and pay them nothing.
But hey, they can start drinking the moment they are born! They're free!
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| Posted: Sat, 14th Dec 2013 14:19 Post subject: |
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| Ankh wrote: | | warriormax wrote: | I don't know how this data is gathered but apparently its not right. The N1 freedom countries are all former USSR slave countries like Romania, Bulgaria, Ukraine, Poland, etc. Its almost law free zone, the law says 14 (you know what I mean), you can buy alcohol and cigarettes at any age, you can drive without license, stuff like that. Oh and if you kill somebody most of the time you will get away with probationary sentence or 2 years in jail which is the worst case scenario.
In America you can't buy booze until you are 21.. yeah freedom.. sure. The only free stuff in the US is that you can buy military grade weapons like you are buying Pepsi at the gas station. Besides that, its not that free country. |
You must be confusing freedom with corruption
Edit: Oh, and laws arent always something against freedom...they are quite often there to make sure accidents/and stupid things dont happen! |
What is freedom then?
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| Posted: Sat, 14th Dec 2013 15:28 Post subject: |
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| warriormax wrote: | | What is freedom then? |
In most cases an illusion I would say. Seeing we can't have true freedom. Wouldn't work on our species and I don't think it ever will. |
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| Posted: Sat, 14th Dec 2013 16:27 Post subject: |
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| Ankh wrote: | Dunno about Belgium ofc..but in Sweden you would get arrested if you said something like that in Public.
If we continue to use racism/rightwing stuff as an example, you would pretty much get arrested by anything here that would be considered offensive. A law that imo is just pathetic.
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Myth once again. We do have freedom of speech and you won't get arrested for saying "the holocaust never happened". You will get opponents, get criticised etc. but you won't get arrested. Just look at the explosion of Sweden Democrat turd-box expose where high-up political Sweden Democrat people praised SS-troops, proclaimed themselves proud racists and attacked various minorities. They're not in jail, they were just exposed. "Hets mot folkgrupp" is nearly never used against an individual, it's basically there if things go too far and becomes a sort of open campaign.
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| Posted: Sat, 14th Dec 2013 16:32 Post subject: |
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| MORPHINEUS wrote: | | warriormax wrote: | | What is freedom then? |
In most cases an illusion I would say. Seeing we can't have true freedom. Wouldn't work on our species and I don't think it ever will. |
True. On the lowest level we are driven by instincts over which we have little control = no real freedom. We're prisoners of our genetic structure and social upbringing/situation. The freedom we have is when we can use our cognitive abilities to bend the underlying currents of influence but even that is influenced by instincts and prejudice (we ALL have them no matter what you say, it's part of the human condition).
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