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 Posted: Tue, 25th Jul 2017 17:14 Post subject: Are we there yet? |
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I feel like if I had my 2500k for last 5 years... oh wait I do... I bought it in 2012. About this month!
Maybe it's time to get a new stuff... or is it ?!
In last 6 months I got:
Fractal define C case
gtx 1060 6gb gigabyte g1 (lol now worth more than it was when I got it)
Evga g2 550w psu
even a stupid firecuda sshd which is actually pretty fast and quiet(ssd still reserved for system)
So I am looking at 2500k which I am running at 4.5 for last 5 years, 2x4gb kingston ddr3 1333mhz (!!!) and asrock p67 pro3 which is just worst mobo ever because sometimes it decides to not boot up, usb ports are super wonky and touchy, it does not have front usb3 header and its ethernet card is fucked up so I have to use pci network card.
As always I would like to spend not too much... So did a little research and it would probably have to be ryzen 1600 (comes with good cooler apparently) some B350 board(dont need sli) and some ram.... and there is like 800 ram sticks out there to choose from.
Is it a good idea or should I let go and go another 5 years on it ?
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| Posted: Tue, 25th Jul 2017 19:01 Post subject: |
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| KillerCrocker wrote: | | So did a little research and it would probably have to be ryzen 1600 (comes with good cooler apparently) some B350 board(dont need sli) |
Definitely a good idea. You can trust me as I'm not biased at all.
 Spoiler: | But seriously though, if you're already having issues with your current mobo, it's a no-brainer IMO. Get any 3000+ MHz memory with decent timings, preferably from your mobo's QVL list, since memory support can be a bit wonky even after the AGESA 1.0.0.6 updates. |
ASRock B450 Pro4 || Ryzen 7 3700X || Patriot Viper 16Gb DDR4-3600 || ASUS GeForce RTX 3080 TUF GAMING || XPG GAMMIX S11 Pro 1Tb || Xiaomi Mi Surface Display 34" (3440x1440)
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| Posted: Tue, 25th Jul 2017 19:58 Post subject: |
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| Sauronich wrote: | | KillerCrocker wrote: | | So did a little research and it would probably have to be ryzen 1600 (comes with good cooler apparently) some B350 board(dont need sli) |
Definitely a good idea. You can trust me as I'm not biased at all.
| Spoiler: | But seriously though, if you're already having issues with your current mobo, it's a no-brainer IMO. Get any 3000+ MHz memory with decent timings, preferably from your mobo's QVL list, since memory support can be a bit wonky even after the AGESA 1.0.0.6 updates. |
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What is AGESA?
Would it be worth paying up for 1700? It have 8 cores | 8 threads.
The problem I have is probably not with performance but with my wonky motherboard. But 20/30% performance boost would still be good
3080 | ps5 pro
Sin317-"im 31 years old and still surprised at how much shit comes out of my ass actually ..."
SteamDRM-"Call of Duty is the symbol of the true perfection in every aspect. Call of Duty games are like Mozart's/Beethoven's symphonies"
deadpoetic-"are you new to the cyberspace?"
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| Posted: Tue, 25th Jul 2017 20:02 Post subject: |
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| KillerCrocker wrote: | | Would it be worth paying up for 1700? It have 8 cores | 8 threads. |
Definately, if you can spare the bit more money.
The price/performance ratio is just so good. Even better if you plan on keeping the CPU for several years. And seeing how games will be more and more optimized for multiple cores/threads.
Of course i am not biased.
Enthoo Evolv ATX TG // Asus Prime x370 // Ryzen 1700 // Gainward GTX 1080 // 16GB DDR4-3200
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| Posted: Tue, 25th Jul 2017 21:31 Post subject: |
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From what I understand it's a piece of microcode that AMD supplies to mobo manufacturers and it's responsible for a variety of CPU/platform-specific stuff. New versions get incorporated into BIOS updates and fix CPU bugs, improve memory compatibility, lower memory latency, etc.
ASRock B450 Pro4 || Ryzen 7 3700X || Patriot Viper 16Gb DDR4-3600 || ASUS GeForce RTX 3080 TUF GAMING || XPG GAMMIX S11 Pro 1Tb || Xiaomi Mi Surface Display 34" (3440x1440)
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| Posted: Tue, 25th Jul 2017 23:51 Post subject: |
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I see.
So anyway - Fuck intel in the butt this time around? I am only interested in ryzen 1600 and 1700? No "x" versions? As I understand "x" are slightly overclocked and come without a stock fan, which is supposed to be quite good. I don't plan on oc anyway...
3080 | ps5 pro
Sin317-"im 31 years old and still surprised at how much shit comes out of my ass actually ..."
SteamDRM-"Call of Duty is the symbol of the true perfection in every aspect. Call of Duty games are like Mozart's/Beethoven's symphonies"
deadpoetic-"are you new to the cyberspace?"
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| Posted: Wed, 26th Jul 2017 00:05 Post subject: |
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Unless you're against OC on principle for some reason, most non-X CPUs will easily overclock to X or near X levels. You could maybe make a case for the X versions as a way to protect yourself from losing the silicon lottery, but I'd just go for the 1600/1700.
ASRock B450 Pro4 || Ryzen 7 3700X || Patriot Viper 16Gb DDR4-3600 || ASUS GeForce RTX 3080 TUF GAMING || XPG GAMMIX S11 Pro 1Tb || Xiaomi Mi Surface Display 34" (3440x1440)
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| Posted: Wed, 26th Jul 2017 12:33 Post subject: |
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What programs/games you use would benefit from a boost in CPU power and is it worth the cost. No games/programs in mind --> wait a bit longer. Some games/programs in mind --> check benchmark whether those truly benefit from such an upgrade.
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| Posted: Wed, 26th Jul 2017 12:56 Post subject: |
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| Mister_s wrote: | | What programs/games you use would benefit from a boost in CPU power and is it worth the cost. No games/programs in mind --> wait a bit longer. Some games/programs in mind --> check benchmark whether those truly benefit from such an upgrade. |
Shut up with your reasonable advice!
[/end_rant_of_amd_sales_department] |
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| Posted: Wed, 26th Jul 2017 14:43 Post subject: |
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That moment when the humps starts recommending AMD cpus. I feel like this is it, there will never be anything as miraculous as this lol
Now if they could just get their shit together with their gpus and quit playing catchup.
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| Posted: Wed, 26th Jul 2017 15:30 Post subject: |
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Doesn't look like that's going to happen, Spykez, at least if the last leaked Firestrike benchmarks are to be believed, not to mention the power hungriness of the proffessional level version of Vega.
-=the wandering pillow stuffer=-
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| Posted: Wed, 26th Jul 2017 15:47 Post subject: |
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I didn't have an hope for Vega after they kept delaying it.
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| Posted: Wed, 26th Jul 2017 16:03 Post subject: |
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As professional conspiracy theorist I believe Ryzen was developed by Intel and just given away to AMD to avoid problems from competition regulators as it was with AMD Athlon.
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| Posted: Wed, 26th Jul 2017 17:50 Post subject: |
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Only thing I can think of is faster memory adds considerable performance the faster you get it
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| Posted: Wed, 26th Jul 2017 18:14 Post subject: |
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Anyway - start with recommendation. I am looking at performance/price. Not going on all out.
So it would probably be r5 1600 with stock cooler.
Mobo - Avoid gigabyte and MSI, so probably Asrock or Asus?
Ram - no idea. Probably 3000 or 3200 something
edit: is it true that ryzen 1600 maxes out with 2933 memory? So if I would get 1700, I also would need more expensive memory ?
3080 | ps5 pro
Sin317-"im 31 years old and still surprised at how much shit comes out of my ass actually ..."
SteamDRM-"Call of Duty is the symbol of the true perfection in every aspect. Call of Duty games are like Mozart's/Beethoven's symphonies"
deadpoetic-"are you new to the cyberspace?"
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| Posted: Thu, 27th Jul 2017 13:13 Post subject: |
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Future proof is ridiculous IMO. If you really don't need the processing and/or GPU power for anything specific, why waste money now? I know it's your money, but I'd wait for next summer for the new batch of games. If all that money is a burden, you can send it to me.
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| Posted: Thu, 27th Jul 2017 14:19 Post subject: |
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| Mister_s wrote: | | Future proof is ridiculous IMO. If you really don't need the processing and/or GPU power for anything specific, why waste money now? I know it's your money, but I'd wait for next summer for the new batch of games. If all that money is a burden, you can send it to me. |
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I have a 5 year old CPU as well (i7-3770k) and even though my motherboard is being wonky too (USB ports being weird, ethernet port shorted out - never touching Gigabyte again), I managed to fix it and every new game works more than fine. I've looked into upgrading a few times but the cost is ridiculous compared to the small performance benefits you'd get. Unless you NEED raw processing power (rendering stuff for example), I'd hold off. The longer you wait, the more bang for your buck you'll get. Also, Ryzen still seems a little flaky to me - waiting a while will get you a more stable option.
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| Posted: Thu, 27th Jul 2017 14:39 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Thu, 27th Jul 2017 16:57 Post subject: |
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| Mister_s wrote: | | Future proof is ridiculous IMO. If you really don't need the processing and/or GPU power for anything specific, why waste money now? I know it's your money, but I'd wait for next summer for the new batch of games. If all that money is a burden, you can send it to me. |
I will wait a bit more. It's always better to sleep with the thought for month or 3 if it's not required fast.
With my 2500k everything works fine. It's just wonky mobo (not all that bad) and the WANT feel.
Btw... maybe I should upgrade monitor instead?
3080 | ps5 pro
Sin317-"im 31 years old and still surprised at how much shit comes out of my ass actually ..."
SteamDRM-"Call of Duty is the symbol of the true perfection in every aspect. Call of Duty games are like Mozart's/Beethoven's symphonies"
deadpoetic-"are you new to the cyberspace?"
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| Posted: Thu, 27th Jul 2017 17:25 Post subject: |
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Upgrading under this circumstance is a matter of life goals. If one's intention is to use the PC as a gaming machine and is fine with the High details/1080p combo, then generally the good old overclocked i5-2500k coupled with a decent card can still be sufficient in many cases for a stable-ish 60fps ride (unless the game in question is a tragedy port, in that case there's not much to do xD)
Highest resolutions/downsampling and going after V-High or the iconic Ultra settings on the other hand (obviously) require a lot more juice, and in that case an upgrade is clearly necessary since the 2500k struggles. That's what I've been experiencing, the art of accepting compromises for the greater good  
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