System idle temperature rising
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Neo_McKane




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PostPosted: Sun, 10th Nov 2013 12:31    Post subject: System idle temperature rising
Yesterday, i saw some strange behaviour on my pc. Everything is working just fine, except..
When it's doing nothing, after a minute, cpu, gpu and mb temperature begin to rise. I even used HWMonitor to record the log:




It runs just fine, but when i leave it on, in idle or whatever, it just starts to do something which affects its temperature. Also, some voltages seem to drop at the same point..

I also recorded bandwith usage, just in case:

DU Meter Stopwatch - #2
Start time 10.11.2013. 11:21:13
Stop time 10.11.2013. 11:44:20
Elapsed time 23 min 7.7 sec
Incoming Outgoing
------------------------------------ ---------------- ----------------
Total of data transferred 41.7 KB 30.3 KB
Maximum transfer rate 30.8 kbps 17.0 kbps
Average transfer rate 0.2 kbps 0.2 kbps

Nothing strange there..

Does anyone know what could be the problem/solution?
One week ago, i installed one more modul of 2gb ddr2 ram, and cleaned the entire case, so the dust isn't the problem..


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Shocktrooper




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PostPosted: Sun, 10th Nov 2013 12:37    Post subject:
sneaky bitcoin miner maybe?
better list your processes, just in case
afaik bitcoin mining has very low bandwidth usage (<10mb/day)
and many AV don't detect them
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sausje
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PostPosted: Sun, 10th Nov 2013 12:57    Post subject:
And just temps won't tell us anything, you need to check usage on cpu/gpu at those moments


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Neo_McKane




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PostPosted: Sun, 10th Nov 2013 13:10    Post subject:
Ok, here's a little update.
I ran the same log monitor for 3 minutes, in two different situations, and the result is very interesting:

1. Task Manager running - i was observing the tasks list, to see if something weird shows up.





2. Task manager not running.




Also, here's the proccess list, if it means anything to you:



Any tool i could use to record cpu/gpu usage?


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PostPosted: Sun, 10th Nov 2013 13:16    Post subject:
end conhost.exe and check again. You can use GPU-z to check GPU usage and temps.
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PostPosted: Sun, 10th Nov 2013 13:36    Post subject:
http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/4996/what-is-conhost.exe-and-why-is-it-running/


I see nothing odd in that list.. can't you keep taskmanager minimized running in the background and after that happened pull it up and check the cpu usage on it? Same with gpu-z.


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Neo_McKane




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PostPosted: Sun, 10th Nov 2013 13:41    Post subject:
Ok, i ran GPU-Z for 3 minutes, and again, results are interesting..



That point from where all the bars go up is roughly at 1 minute and 25 seconds idling.
And here's the log in txt: https://www.dropbox.com/s/lrca9cnsjh9iy37/GPU-Z%20Sensor%20Log.txt

So yeah, after ~1m25s, the GPU get's 99% usage.


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PostPosted: Sun, 10th Nov 2013 13:43    Post subject:
sausje wrote:
http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/4996/what-is-conhost.exe-and-why-is-it-running/


I see nothing odd in that list.. can't you keep taskmanager minimized running in the background and after that happened pull it up and check the cpu usage on it? Same with gpu-z.

?
I know what conhost does. It's also a known target for bitcoin virusses.

@Neo_McKane: while looking at GPU-z kill conhost.exe in task manager and see whether the load goes down.
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Neo_McKane




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PostPosted: Sun, 10th Nov 2013 13:46    Post subject:
Even when the taskmanager is minimized, everything performs normal. No load/usage issues.
It's kinda tricky because, as soon as i move the mouse, the load/usage goes to 0.


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PostPosted: Sun, 10th Nov 2013 13:46    Post subject:
the msdn.exe is kinda suspicious.
it has no description set and I'm pretty sure its not a part of Windows
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Neo_McKane




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PostPosted: Sun, 10th Nov 2013 13:52    Post subject:
Ok, killed the conhost.exe process, then put the pc in idle and looked at hwmonitor reading. Still, just after 1m25s of idle, the usage goes to 99% Confused
msdn.exe is a winamp process..


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PostPosted: Sun, 10th Nov 2013 13:54    Post subject:
@Neo_McKane

Well it's defo a bitcoin miner, now to find the exe..

Try installing some alternatives to taskmanager, i don't know which ones has better logging but you could try them out:

http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/five-apps/five-task-managers-that-improve-on-the-windows-default/

Hopefully you can find what exe it is.


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Mister_s




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PostPosted: Sun, 10th Nov 2013 13:59    Post subject:
Neo_McKane wrote:
Ok, killed the conhost.exe process, then put the pc in idle and looked at hwmonitor reading. Still, just after 1m25s of idle, the usage goes to 99% Confused
msdn.exe is a winamp process..

I don't know how well it works, but you ca use GPU Shark to monitor the GPU. Use detailed mode to check whether you can see a process utlizing the GPU.
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PostPosted: Sun, 10th Nov 2013 14:01    Post subject:
Neo_McKane wrote:
msdn.exe is a winamp process..


No it isn't Smile MSDN.exe doesn't exist as part of Windows *or* WinAMP. I think that's your miner and you can find out by right-clicking the EXE and "open file location" -- it's a nasty little shit that likes to install itself in "normal" folders to fool you into thinking it's part of that app.

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Examples;

http://processchecker.com/file/msdn.exe.html
http://forum.avast.com/index.php?topic=80419.0

Just deleting the file usually won't be enough, it will come back on startup, so have a look through the registry for any entries regarding "msdn.exe" and you may find the trigger. Also look through Task Scheduler for active tasks that are set to run constantly.

Neo_McKane wrote:
It's kinda tricky because, as soon as i move the mouse, the load/usage goes to 0.


Yup, same fucking shit-ass miner that I had been infected by a few weeks back. After 1-3m of idle time the GPU would kick in and run 100%, if I moved the mouse it would immediately drop and - worse! - leaving open the TaskMan would show conhost.exe show up during "100%" and then vanish when I moved the mouse.


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PostPosted: Sun, 10th Nov 2013 14:10    Post subject:
Yeah it's not part of winamp:

 Spoiler:
 


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PostPosted: Sun, 10th Nov 2013 14:20    Post subject:
I had another bitcoin miner recently, two times within 2 months. it came with game related stuff.
the one that installs itself as service "Time" into ProgramData\Microsoft\Windows\Time
I initially thought Neo_McKane had that one but its not showing up in his task list.
Still haven't identified the source because it always took me a few hours to notice but I suspect some joker is uploading working releases on Usenet that stealth install this specific bitcoin miner.
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Neo_McKane




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PostPosted: Sun, 10th Nov 2013 14:21    Post subject:
Ok, apparently, this file/process uses download and upload bandwith when the pc is idle:
c:\users\user\appdata\local\temp\pfafpukllnbnsllk\rekrfmnmgc.exe

But i can't seem to find it there. Anyways, i've deleted that msdn.exe file, so i'll try some more monitoring later..


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PostPosted: Sun, 10th Nov 2013 14:24    Post subject:
its maybe flagged and hidden as a system file or randomly generated by the master process and automatically deleted after doing its job
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PostPosted: Sun, 10th Nov 2013 14:25    Post subject:
They're getting more and more devious all the time Facepalm Take a look through registry, especially at the RUN entries and see if anything shows up - that may well be the trigger install. Also, again, take a GOOD LONG look through Task Scheduler, especially "Task Scheduler (LOCAL)"

Shocktrooper wrote:
its maybe flagged and hidden as a system file or randomly generated by the master process and automatically deleted after doing its job


Yup, this. Which is why you need to find the installer.
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Neo_McKane




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PostPosted: Sun, 10th Nov 2013 16:29    Post subject:
Ok, deleted temp and msdn.exe, and all seems fine now. Haven't restarted the system yet, so i'm not 100% sure it won't show up again at the next startup. I'm now looking through Task Scheduler, and Startup list..

Thanks guys Smile


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