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ClaudeFTW
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 Posted: Thu, 22nd Nov 2012 10:08 Post subject: New video card and maybe CPU. |
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So apparently, my PC is having problems running latest games (AC3 left a sour taste).
At the moment, I have an Asus GTX560Ti DCU2 and an i5 2500k on stock clocks.
I was thinking of getting a 660 or 670. Anyone having any of these? How does it fare on newly released games? The 660 with 2 gigs is priced REALLY good here (cheaper than the 560Ti when I got it) but the 192 mem bus is worrying.
As for the CPU, I think an i7 3770 would suffice.
Thank you in advance for any correctly formulated response.
Also, as a side note, would the i7 run on a Z68 board? Namely the ASRock Z68M/USB3. (I was on a budget when I got this and it seemed like the better choice, I do not look toward changing it, at all).
I could also look into overclocking the CPU since I believe it can still hold its own.
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| Posted: Thu, 22nd Nov 2012 10:33 Post subject: |
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3770 is not upgrade over 2500K for gaming.
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Werelds
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| Posted: Thu, 22nd Nov 2012 10:33 Post subject: |
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That 3770 is a waste of money. Even if you do get it, you'll still need to overclock; games still very much like more CPU ticks, particularly AC games always have. So my advice on that front? Save yourself the money and just overclock that 2500K - it clocks amazingly well anyway (better than IB), so take advantage of it. Trust me, you'll be glad you did. The difference between my i5-760 on stock versus on 4.2+ is staggering.
As for the GPU, a regular 660 I wouldn't advise, has to be at least the 660 Ti. I don't know what prices are like in Romania right now, but with AMD's further price cuts recently, the 7950 and 7970 are priced similar to the 660 Ti and 670 respectively (literally within 10 EUR of each other) here; at that pricepoint they blow Nvidia's offerings out of the water. So right now, I cannot justify a 660 Ti or 670 either.
For reference, I suggest you check reviews (Anandtech, ComputerBase.de, PCGH). You'll see that a 7970 is just behind a 680 (and on equal clocks it's slightly ahead), just like a 7950 can easily take a 670. Just keep in mind that all of those reviews were made with older drivers; one of the latest drivers has given the entire 7 series a huge bump.
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| Posted: Thu, 22nd Nov 2012 10:37 Post subject: |
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Just buy some aftermarket cooler and OC the shit out from 2500K (tbh even at stock cloks it wont be bottleneck for anything). AC3 is coded by monkeys. New "never settle" drivers gives so huge boost to 7950/7970 that they are like new cards, they destroy 670/680 at the moment (guess you are playing 1080p, so 7950 would be nice choice, its so cheap right now).
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ClaudeFTW
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| Posted: Thu, 22nd Nov 2012 10:51 Post subject: |
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Alrighty then, I will try getting a 7970 or at the very least, a 7950.
About the CPU, I was thinking I shouldn't move away from it since it has served me REALLY well ever since I got it. I guess I'll have to make use of the cooler I bought along with it now.
The 7970 could be bought, seeing as how I won't be getting a new CPU. It sells for 2200 RON here, which amounts to somewhere around 490 euros. The 7950 is priced at 350 so I might be getting it and save some money for January.
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| Posted: Thu, 22nd Nov 2012 11:14 Post subject: |
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You sure about those prices, they are a bit high, the 7950 should be ~300 euro depending on the brand. Here (Bulgaria) Sapphire and Gigabyte 7950 are around 280-290 euro.
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Werelds
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Frant
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| Posted: Thu, 22nd Nov 2012 12:24 Post subject: |
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I currently run my 7950 @ 1175/1600 (default 7950 is 800/1250) with 1.27 volt, I'm not sure how much voltage the GPU can take but I could probably bring it a bit over 1200 if I wanted, but I'm content.
The 7950'ies/7970'ies are monster-overclockers. They scale very well with OC'ing.
And I run my i5 2500k @ 4.5GHz, an arbitrary setting I'm content with (I've booted (but unstable) @ 5GHz, got a stable 4.9GHz OC but temps were too high for my stone age Noctua UH12).
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ClaudeFTW
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| Posted: Thu, 22nd Nov 2012 12:50 Post subject: |
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| Ghos7 wrote: | | You sure about those prices, they are a bit high, the 7950 should be ~300 euro depending on the brand. Here (Bulgaria) Sapphire and Gigabyte 7950 are around 280-290 euro. |
Informatively speaking, of course, they're from the largest retailer around here.
Probably cheaper by about ten euros at Azerty for example (place I buy from, has only REALLY small showroom but customer support is great and most of the time they offer extended warranty to loyal customers, such as myself, I bought everything from them).
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Werelds
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| Posted: Thu, 22nd Nov 2012 12:54 Post subject: |
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Heh, we have Azerty here in NL as well. Wonder if it's the same company, probably not 
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ClaudeFTW
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| Posted: Thu, 22nd Nov 2012 13:49 Post subject: |
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| Ghos7 wrote: | http://www.koyos.ro/placa-video-sapphire-radeon-hd7950-3gb-gddr5-pci-e-hdmi-dvi-i-dual-mini-dp-with-boost-lite.html
Thats exactly the same price as here, dunno about the shop though if it's reliable  . I'm not sure if extended warranty is worth 50-60 more euro, but it's your decision . |
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| Posted: Thu, 22nd Nov 2012 13:58 Post subject: |
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| Frant wrote: | I currently run my 7950 @ 1175/1600 (default 7950 is 800/1250) with 1.27 volt, I'm not sure how much voltage the GPU can take but I could probably bring it a bit over 1200 if I wanted, but I'm content.
The 7950'ies/7970'ies are monster-overclockers. They scale very well with OC'ing.
And I run my i5 2500k @ 4.5GHz, an arbitrary setting I'm content with (I've booted (but unstable) @ 5GHz, got a stable 4.9GHz OC but temps were too high for my stone age Noctua UH12). |
How is the temps? As 1.3v is maximum recommended for air cooling.
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| Posted: Thu, 22nd Nov 2012 14:21 Post subject: |
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i run 4.5ghz on @ 1.31v with scythe mugen air cooling, no issues.
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| Posted: Thu, 22nd Nov 2012 14:34 Post subject: |
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don't upgrade cpu. Just oc it to 4,2 or 4,5 if You have a cooler. it is a nasty cpu.
What You need is a gpu upgrade.
660ti is THE ONLY reasonable upgrade on nvidia side.
from ati I would suggest 7870 or 7950
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Frant
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| Posted: Fri, 23rd Nov 2012 06:30 Post subject: |
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| Breezer_ wrote: | | Frant wrote: | I currently run my 7950 @ 1175/1600 (default 7950 is 800/1250) with 1.27 volt, I'm not sure how much voltage the GPU can take but I could probably bring it a bit over 1200 if I wanted, but I'm content.
The 7950'ies/7970'ies are monster-overclockers. They scale very well with OC'ing.
And I run my i5 2500k @ 4.5GHz, an arbitrary setting I'm content with (I've booted (but unstable) @ 5GHz, got a stable 4.9GHz OC but temps were too high for my stone age Noctua UH12). |
How is the temps? As 1.3v is maximum recommended for air cooling. |
Idles at 27-30, maxes out at ~65 when I'm bitcoin mining with max performance settings (-w 256, doing 613 Mhash/s). I bought the Accelero Extreme 7970 cooler with 3 fans running 100% at all times (it's so silent anyway).
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| Posted: Wed, 5th Dec 2012 10:28 Post subject: |
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Ok, i have a Phenom II x4 970 Black Editon CPU. Is it worth it for me to buy a i5 2500k? I'm gonna do some PC ugrade this christmas and trying to figure out what to get.
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| Posted: Wed, 5th Dec 2012 10:38 Post subject: |
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| Stormwolf wrote: | | Ok, i have a Phenom II x4 970 Black Editon CPU. Is it worth it for me to buy a i5 2500k? I'm gonna do some PC ugrade this christmas and trying to figure out what to get. |
Do you have the feeling that the Phenom is not enough anymore? Does it run everything you need at acceptable speeds? Maybe an SSD will speed things up more?
It really depends on what you need vs. what you want. I upgraded from Q9550 to 3570K eventhough the Q9550 still seemed enough. But I just had the urge to upgrade, get a new mobo, new DDR3, USB3, SATA3 etc. And the 3570K (just like the 2500K) is a lot faster. But the games dont run that much better (because most are GFX-dependent), and I dont get more work done.
I didnt have the patience to wait for Haswell, but considering that Sandy-Bridge(and Ivy-Bridge) has been out for a good time now, waiting for Haswell is also an option, I think. It will just take a little time for it to become affordable.
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| Posted: Wed, 5th Dec 2012 11:08 Post subject: |
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3Dmark11 is good indicator for performance (it says if your PC scores are on same level as others with same configuration).
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| Posted: Wed, 5th Dec 2012 11:13 Post subject: |
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does that give you a score for every component for your pc? bad score for hdd if it's slow etc?
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| Posted: Wed, 5th Dec 2012 13:20 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Wed, 5th Dec 2012 14:04 Post subject: |
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| Paintface wrote: | | get the 2500k |
Gonna need a little more than that. I just saw a test with the I7 performing slightly better and at the same price. If the I5 2500k is indeed better a simple explanation would do.
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| Posted: Wed, 5th Dec 2012 14:29 Post subject: |
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is the CPU still that important?
I'm certainly feeling my bottleneck, which is the graphics card and I'm thinking about getting a 660TI for the next 2 years.
its still 270€ though, the AMP cost me 220€ and I have it since June 2009. (!)
I wonder if I will ever get so much value for little money again, with the next gen consoles there could be another significant rise in system requirements during the next year.
I also want to keep my current CPU as long as possible, at least until 2014.
4GB i7 860 @3.0 GTX275 AMP
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